Didn't see this posted anywhere, I think this is a must watch for anyone who loves competitive games (especially dota). As someone who was there for the event I can say this movie does the finals justice with the insane shit OG had to go through to win the entire thing. The mental fortitude, thinking and mind fucking your opponent that goes into this game at top level is actually nuts. Also a really good motivational video, Topson was a pubber half a year ago and now he is a multi-millionaire.
Much respect to N0tail and Ceb honestly. Also not only they had one of the most insane runs where they almost failed to qualify for the event, they ended the trend of West and China winning events each other year, having the West finally win 2 events in a row.
https://youtu.be/Bv4CqIxqTMA
Didn't see this posted anywhere, I think this is a must watch for anyone who loves competitive games (especially dota). As someone who was there for the event I can say this movie does the finals justice with the insane shit OG had to go through to win the entire thing. The mental fortitude, thinking and mind fucking your opponent that goes into this game at top level is actually nuts. Also a really good motivational video, Topson was a pubber half a year ago and now he is a multi-millionaire.
Much respect to N0tail and Ceb honestly. Also not only they had one of the most insane runs where they almost failed to qualify for the event, they ended the trend of West and China winning events each other year, having the West finally win 2 events in a row.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Bv4CqIxqTMA[/youtube]
While they all deserve mad respect, Topson was pretty much just pulled in from pubs and just fuckin won TI. How he kept it together is insane.
While they all deserve mad respect, Topson was pretty much just pulled in from pubs and just fuckin won TI. How he kept it together is insane.
_KermitWhile they all deserve mad respect, Topson was pretty much just pulled in from pubs and just fuckin won TI. How he kept it together is insane.
gotta love how they decided on letting him play zeus, such a supportive enviroment with such high stakes on the line.All the french swearing is hilarious , was a really good watch.
[quote=_Kermit]While they all deserve mad respect, Topson was pretty much just pulled in from pubs and just fuckin won TI. How he kept it together is insane.[/quote]
gotta love how they decided on letting him play zeus, such a supportive enviroment with such high stakes on the line.All the french swearing is hilarious , was a really good watch.
yeah, y'all need to watch this. Really hope we can eventually get Valve to do one on TF2.
yeah, y'all need to watch this. Really hope we can eventually get Valve to do one on TF2.
my favorite part was when the chinese players were calling out 7ckngMad's notes lmao. "cao ni ma de".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4CqIxqTMA&feature=youtu.be&t=1205
my favorite part was when the chinese players were calling out 7ckngMad's notes lmao. "cao ni ma de".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv4CqIxqTMA&feature=youtu.be&t=1205
that was awesome, great underdog story. i don't even really understand the game but it made it seem like a lot of fun to spectate. didn't know there was an international champion level dota player with the same monicker tho :(
that was awesome, great underdog story. i don't even really understand the game but it made it seem like a lot of fun to spectate. didn't know there was an international champion level dota player with the same monicker tho :(
What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
thanks for sharing that video, i enjoyed it very much despite having never played dota in my life. Videos like this one can easily reignite one's passion for the game
thanks for sharing that video, i enjoyed it very much despite having never played dota in my life. Videos like this one can easily reignite one's passion for the game
alfaWhat I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.
[quote=alfa]What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.[/quote]
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.
now i understand where nation gets all his aliases from
now i understand where nation gets all his aliases from
alfaWhat I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
Hahah, what's with the downvotes?
Honestly, that same point is pretty much what I learned from being with TeamLiquid in the lead-up to TI7. You have to be supportive of your teammates in the moment, can critique decisions afterwards, but mid game you have to fully commit to playing with your teammates. We're talking about teams that have won 20 million dollar tournaments, if you don't want to learn from them that's your problem.
gl hf dont h8
[quote=alfa]What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.[/quote]
Hahah, what's with the downvotes?
Honestly, that same point is pretty much what I learned from being with TeamLiquid in the lead-up to TI7. You have to be supportive of your teammates in the moment, can critique decisions afterwards, but mid game you have to fully commit to playing with your teammates. We're talking about teams that have won 20 million dollar tournaments, if you don't want to learn from them that's your problem.
gl hf dont h8
iodinealfaWhat I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.
Did you actually watch the movie, Ceb & the coach literally ask Topson and Ana what do THEY want to play this game and go for it because no matter what it is it will work. Yes NO SHIT there's strategy going in at the top level, but you cannot compare CSGO with dota. CSGO literally has a small timer each round which requires you to do set plays to beat it, dota has unlimited time and is played around the picks in the game. I compared it to TF2 because an offclass can (on a smaller scale) be the random factor that makes or breaks a game, and we also have 30 min of time which is plenty for doing plays other than set strategies, unlike CSGO where working an offclass to break a stalemate wouldn't work with their timer.
You can argue me all you want on this but I've seen teams in this game that fucking hate allowing their players to be creative with SOME plays and suffer for it. Sticking to one thing and thing only will never win you games at top level, you must adapt your own playstyle no matter what. In terms of leadership, I led eLevate for almost 2 years and we got top 3 consistently throughout all the seasons, and I let my players do random crazy shit all the time because I trusted them that they knew what they were doing. Yes you must have structure but you must also let your players adapt themselves to the game if the game isn't going well for them or they have an idea how to win better.
[quote=iodine][quote=alfa]What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.[/quote]
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.[/quote]
Did you actually watch the movie, Ceb & the coach literally ask Topson and Ana what do THEY want to play this game and go for it because no matter what it is it will work. Yes NO SHIT there's strategy going in at the top level, but you cannot compare CSGO with dota. CSGO literally has a small timer each round which requires you to do set plays to beat it, dota has unlimited time and is played around the picks in the game. I compared it to TF2 because an offclass can (on a smaller scale) be the random factor that makes or breaks a game, and we also have 30 min of time which is plenty for doing plays other than set strategies, unlike CSGO where working an offclass to break a stalemate wouldn't work with their timer.
You can argue me all you want on this but I've seen teams in this game that fucking hate allowing their players to be creative with SOME plays and suffer for it. Sticking to one thing and thing only will never win you games at top level, you must adapt your own playstyle no matter what. In terms of leadership, I led eLevate for almost 2 years and we got top 3 consistently throughout all the seasons, and I let my players do random crazy shit all the time because I trusted them that they knew what they were doing. Yes you must have structure but you must also let your players adapt themselves to the game if the game isn't going well for them or they have an idea how to win better.
https://youtu.be/J-BijDwr1r0
OG reacting to the film, highly recommend watching it even if you watched the original video. I've seen the original at least 3-4 times and I still got chills watching them react.
https://youtu.be/J-BijDwr1r0
OG reacting to the film, highly recommend watching it even if you watched the original video. I've seen the original at least 3-4 times and I still got chills watching them react.
alfaiodinealfaWhat I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across all videogames honestly.
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.
Did you actually watch the movie, Ceb & the coach literally ask Topson and Ana what do THEY want to play this game and go for it because no matter what it is it will work. Yes NO SHIT there's strategy going in at the top level, but you cannot compare CSGO with dota. CSGO literally has a small timer each round which requires you to do set plays to beat it, dota has unlimited time and is played around the picks in the game. I compared it to TF2 because an offclass can (on a smaller scale) be the random factor that makes or breaks a game, and we also have 30 min of time which is plenty for doing plays other than set strategies, unlike CSGO where working an offclass to break a stalemate wouldn't work with their timer.
You can argue me all you want on this but I've seen teams in this game that fucking hate allowing their players to be creative with SOME plays and suffer for it. Sticking to one thing and thing only will never win you games at top level, you must adapt your own playstyle no matter what. In terms of leadership, I led eLevate for almost 2 years and we got top 3 consistently throughout all the seasons, and I let my players do random crazy shit all the time because I trusted them that they knew what they were doing. Yes you must have structure but you must also let your players adapt themselves to the game if the game isn't going well for them or they have an idea how to win better.
No, I didn't watch the video. However, from the context of your initial statement, you literally said that you wanted teammates that are ok with you doing whatever you want. You then later said that this style of leadership is what is needed in ALL VIDEOGAMES. If you aren't comparing to CS, and just tf2 like you said in your follow up post, then why on earth are you saying "all videogames"?
I agree with your point that Dota is completely different from cs go, and you made several valid points about the usefulness of that type of leadership. However, this style of leadership doesn't succeed in almost any top cs team, which is included in "all videogames", which is what you explicitly stated.
[quote=alfa][quote=iodine][quote=alfa]What I really respect is Ceb's faith in his team to play whatever they're comfortable with. For me, this translates well to my play-style in TF2 b/c I like going offclasses 24/7 and [b]if my teammates are ok with me doing whatever I want[/b] then I can actually unleash.
Need more leaders like Ceb across [b]all videogames[/b] honestly.[/quote]
No they don't. Strategic games, or games requiring some iota of strategy will not be played at the highest level if the leader of the team doesn't instill tactics and discipline within.
Ex: In cs go, karrigan started off great with his loose style of leadership, but then lost control of his team, due to him letting them do whatever they wanted. Astralis on the other hand, clearly have a strategic and tactical regimen, which translates to their historic tournament run.[/quote]
Did you actually watch the movie, Ceb & the coach literally ask Topson and Ana what do THEY want to play this game and go for it because no matter what it is it will work. Yes NO SHIT there's strategy going in at the top level, but you cannot compare CSGO with dota. CSGO literally has a small timer each round which requires you to do set plays to beat it, dota has unlimited time and is played around the picks in the game. I compared it to TF2 because an offclass can (on a smaller scale) be the random factor that makes or breaks a game, and we also have 30 min of time which is plenty for doing plays other than set strategies, unlike CSGO where working an offclass to break a stalemate wouldn't work with their timer.
You can argue me all you want on this but I've seen teams in this game that fucking hate allowing their players to be creative with SOME plays and suffer for it. Sticking to one thing and thing only will never win you games at top level, you must adapt your own playstyle no matter what. In terms of leadership, I led eLevate for almost 2 years and we got top 3 consistently throughout all the seasons, and I let my players do random crazy shit all the time because I trusted them that they knew what they were doing. Yes you must have structure but you must also let your players adapt themselves to the game if the game isn't going well for them or they have an idea how to win better.[/quote]
No, I didn't watch the video. However, from the context of your initial statement, you literally said that you wanted teammates that are ok with you doing whatever you want. You then later said that this style of leadership is what is needed in ALL VIDEOGAMES. If you aren't comparing to CS, and just tf2 like you said in your follow up post, then why on earth are you saying "all videogames"?
I agree with your point that Dota is completely different from cs go, and you made several valid points about the usefulness of that type of leadership. However, this style of leadership doesn't succeed in almost any top cs team, which is included in "all videogames", which is what you explicitly stated.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceQ2XFS1tUo[/youtube]
ti9 edition came out