I might be there .. but I think alot of people ahve things set up for tonight wu

I got this 8)

Made some promotion for tonight: http://redd.it/1bbkaf

I'll come coach tonight. Might end up becoming a regular =)

I can coach some mixes tonight but i will be a little bit late ~7:00pst

Do newbie HL mixes exist?

As of now, they don't, or at least to my knowledge there aren't. Perhaps we can do some in the future but getting coaches would be a difficult job since anyone can go in plat. It would have some special drafting system for coaches that I am too lazy to think of.

To keep it short, and answer your question: No, there aren't any HL Newbie Mixes.

In the future when playoffs end for HL ill be glad to come help with newbie mixes.

I'll coach more if the qualifications to do so are increased. No newbie should be fed misinformation from players with no esea experience.

The organization was good for the pugs over all and you guys stuck around to see it to the end, so a nice first go at things, but we need to be more stringent about enforcing the coaching rules - a few folks got in that had absolutely no business telling other people how to play. Not trying to be an asshole here or call anybody bad - but you have to be careful with the coaches because our noobie friends don't know any better and will (should) presume the coach knows what he/she is talking about - and they will tell it to their friends, etc.

I understand sometimes the supply of coaches is a little low and so we can bend the rules here and there - but not too far or you're going to end up with extremely unqualified coaches telling people ridiculous things and/or providing an over all unpleasant experience in general.

I had the Same thought, but I never said anything.

Alot of the coaches are extremely unqualified, and are pretty much to skill level of alot of the noobies coming in. Obviously if you're in top open/IM/invite this isn't you. But there are some coaches with not even a season of esea or as little as 5-10 matches on esea. I don't even have a season of esea and my only experience is pugs and ugc plat 6s and hl and I know some of the calls being made are absolutely horrible. I've also had experiences where the coach either didn't say enough when he was very qualified to be talking, and coaches who have no idea what they are talking about micspamming the whole time telling the team to push mid with 2 players into the other teams 6 simply because we had 10% uber advantage.

At first newbiemix didn't have many players so it was ok to have random coaches who had a general idea of the game to coach but as it's growing to become as large as it has new players should not be coaching.
Long story short, if you have under 2 solid seasons of esea, YOU SHOULDN'T BE COACHING PERIOD. Sure, you might think you are good, but there's no sense trying to coach and feeding the newbies completely wrong information. BACKUP DOES NOT COUNT AS A SEASON, NEITHER DOES GETTING TRASHED CANNED
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I know you guys are desperate for coaches, but you need to raise the guidelines A LOT. One season of ESEA isn't good enough. I could go on an ESEA team, go 0-16 and still be a coach? Does that sound like the kind of person you want to help coach new people?

You can't measure someone experience/skill based off seasons played.

qft

I agree with morningfox. While I'm not necessarily a top open medic and don't have a full grasp of scout play, I have enough knowledge that I've learned to teach newbies, but there are some players who main scout or roamer and are at the same level as me, and they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to any class besides their main. I think what noona has been doing is good though pairing up 2 coaches who arent high open/IM per team.

While this isn't a definitive fix and the skill level of coaches needs to raise up, I think a guide for information per each class would be useful for newer coaches that I won't name and also possibly a "coach review" thread that newbies could submit their experience with different coaches so we can root out coaches who are notorious for acting rude/making bad calls in newbie mixes.

found my old post from when i first coached

i think this really provided a better learning experience for the players, if you have someone come in and coach and play something like soldier or demo they honestly wouldn't have a problem just crushing the other team, essentially just out dming them.

at that point they wouldn't be able to really take anything away from the game its self. no sugar coating that really, it would come down to which coach carried the other team more...we're all aware that winning is a TEAM effort but there's no need to beat around the bush when you have less experienced players vs 2 players that can just run around and get away with a lot of shit they wouldn't normally be able to do in a scrim or match. in return i think some players might develop bad habits because of that

i'll definitely try to coach again, are these always on friday or saturday? i think you should push for sunday as well might make it easier to get more coaches. even though most teams scrim on sundays, not everyone does. and i'm going to assume most of the players that populate the newbie mixes are teamless since they're just getting into 6s

Let's just say you have to be High-Open or higher and you can coach.
sounds like a good way to put it.

Define high open.

Not that I disagree with you in practice, but putting in such an arbitrary guideline doesn't help much.

Well, the point in my opinion is not to be good enough to teach newbies, but good enough to teach anyone and or provide them with alternative ideas and counters to what they did. Sure scout is one of the classes where most problems can be fixed by just hitting meat consistently but there are many alternative routes or things top scouts would do to keep their team alive in a dying push rather than simply running out because of "lack of numbers".

That's not really a good way either. I've been playing this game forever but I haven't taken the game seriously since probably Crack Clan days. Does that mean I can't coach? The half a dozen times that I have coached, I would say that I helped as much as I could and even offered to stay after to talk to those that had more questions.

I have said this so many times but I will say it again, having only Fridays and Saturdays really hurt your chances of getting good, mature, and helpful coaches. While this isn't always the case, but a lot of the older players do not play on Friday or Saturdays (at least not very often)

I understand the argument that if you change the day you may not get as many newbies, but there hasn't been too many times where there is more coaches than newbies. I don't see the problem with at least trying to change the day once or twice.

Oh and also don't forget that its a day before easter, I'm sure quite a few people were traveling yesterday

Let's say 1 season of open with .625 win rate. (That's the old playoff level)

Obviously there would be some exceptions, I don't know you personally so I can't say, but just from the belief that you don't think you could ever done a better job as a coach,you probably don't have the best attitude for a coach.

For sure obviously not, but someone who has 2 full seasons of ESEA has encountered much more situations involving team coordination and knowing what to do in specific situations then someone who plays highlander lobbies as his primary method of practicing. Sure you can be ridiculously good and never miss and be the best scout, but that's two completely different things then knowing what to do in specific situations.

Handpicking coaches would ideally be the best situation however setting up standards prevents friends who were previously coaches from getting mad at their friends for "getting cut from being a coach" because they are "unworthy".

Overall, newbiemix should be about having fun and learning how to play tf2 at a competitive level. This requires both enthusiastic and knowledgeable coaches.

Huh? Are you saying that since I helped as much as I could, I am not a good coach? That makes no sense, at all.

You don't really have to do too much, mainly what Phrakture and I were trying to get across is that sometimes, out of a desire to get mixes going faster, people who are unqualified to coach do so, and ultimately end up teaching bad things to people - this happens almost every night, especially when the mixes start because you've got 90+ people and few coaches.

It's just that noona et al aren't super engrossed in the scene so, especially when it comes to open players, they've got no idea who they're dealing with (and I assume that'd be true of most people). The best option is for people who *know* they're unqualified to coach to stop showing up and attempting to coach, or for novice players to stop showing up "off classing" and then volunteering to coach lol.

To add to this, the noobs already give the admins a hard time, and when a player who thinks he's good gets into the coaches channel, you are only making things harder, you should know your place as an individual

Also shouts out to Geknair or whatever for sandbagging as his main, great couch really helped everyone out

Last time I coached some other coach just argued with me the whole time when I said sniper was a shitty class

I feel like I'm one of those people that argue with coaches and isn't ready to coach so you can thank all of the high open+ players and not me.

I mean even putting in the 1 season rule is pretty shady, I got an idea from dota 2 in-house groups, they have already approved players vouch for players and that is how people get in. Maybe we could count a season of open as 1 vouch and then an existing coach could vouch for them... If we ask nicely enigma might put a section of the forums dedicated to approving coaches, similar to the stream list.

the problem here is that some people would just let friends in, getting a few people that are in close contact with the community could probably approve and disapprove coaches. Though the judges should be kept anonymous so they don't offend anybody.