When you say new players, do you mean new players already in competitive or players wanting to make that transition?

Because if the latter are supposed to organize their own team, and IF the game mode is like a typical 6's game, how is this any different from playing what most people have been playing here anyway? If anything, this seems like a tournament mode that favors seasoned players moreso than someone pretty new to competitive.

So this brings me to my 2nd question, exactly what game mode did you have in mind for this? As a new player wanting to make a transition I'd find something like this more appealing:

I play sometimes with this guy.

Attitude and dedication. Has these things going for him. I've specced a couple of his matches - a good team player, likes to talk but no drama. Also plays mixes a shit ton and works on getting better persistently. People like this get far.

And finally, he's pretty humble as a player. Pulls some neat stuff sometimes, but doesn't let it get to his head. He also let me backup on his team so I could learn some embarrassing basics for medic...so chalk up points for being helpful, too.

Probably worth more than a backup...one last thing - he's pretty good with time commitments so if you're looking for someone reliable as a backup, he's a good choice.

Damn. Jav just had to be that one random scout I play after feeling bad about dm.

What keyboard are you using?

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Just curious man. I didn't know I'd be getting so many shit replies. Will never do again.

All right I got it, thanks.

Could be with friends or team mates or people you might know. I'm just asking if you prefer talking/listening to people while trying to practice. I usually just put on music.

Nah I'm just asking what preferences people have for mumble while practicing. It was supposed to be more of a general survey.

Thanks for actually answering the question. Why don't you use it during mge/dm? That's what I was getting at.

So lately I've been trying out this mumble thing but I noticed it's quite distracting when I want to play a bit seriously.

I understand communication is important during matches and whatnot, but for things like mge or dm or practice of any sort - is mumble distracting for you? Or do you enjoy it? Was it different when you first started out? Etc.

I know a lot people here use it on a daily basis, I'm curious how you deal with it.

I like it simple too.

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I jumped into mge when I was 500 hrs into the game. Used to play scout vs scout a lot. Was pretty frustrating at first. I picked up on a lot of things, but developed some pretty bad habits. Then I moved to dm and realized my mistakes. Then I returned to mge and realized some dm mistakes. I play dm more right now but I agree with previous posts about there being a healthy balance between the two.

Some things I picked up:

-Tunnel vision. Strafing games might work in a 1v1 scout mge, but when there are 3 other people shooting me, strafing games vs 1 player isn't going to do shit. (Still trying to get out of this habit).

-Shooting at people who aren't looking at me is very different from someone who knows I'm going in for the kill. Movement mistakes can be forgiving in dm. Movement in mge is like a chess game. I learned this after coming back to mge after lots of dm - your movement is soley based on your opponent's and you become more aware of your mistakes because there aren't 3 other people to help out.

So for me it boils down to practicing specific aspects in mge vs improvising and reactionary play in dm. Playing mge vs other scouts taught me some AD, but playing dm taught me some WS spacebar (still shit at ctrl).

Despite all this, the most valuable thing I learned from playing both modes was that there is no aim without movement. And there is no movement without anticipation. It all kind of boils down to mind games; spotting patterns in how people play and denying them that opportunity. In mge you get a chance to fully assess your movement, but only against 1 player. In dm, some people have a frag mentality so they play more reckless, and that might allow you to get away with mistakes, but then again, there are 3 people, not 1...

So perhaps the ideal way would be to learn how to deal with 1 person's movement (mge) and then implement that in a setting with more than 1 person (dm)? This is why I think you can't have one without the other. Just a thought...

I have never felt this way when playing dm. I guess maybe I'm playing it wrong? Heh.

Thanks man. Headshot only would be nice.

Was just going to ask if one of the less popular dm servers could enable a sniper slot. Thanks whoever did this.

Thanks. The menu was to show the breakdown. Also you're right, it will. Sadly you won't be able to offclass as well.

Also do you think that Valve would agree to having a rule where only certain classes can offclass to another type?

Sorry for the late reply but this thread really got me thinking about a way to implement 6's in a way which would not change the game mechanics too drastically so Valve would agree to it in addition to the HL one.

I think that essentially Enigma was just trying to balance the 3 different groups which would result in a fast paced organized game CLOSEST to 6's - because Valve is never going to implement a complex system that breaks their dynamic of the game. So why not try the next best thing? And quite frankly he got it right. The 6's community should take EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY to get the game out there - even if it might require some slight tweaking. It won't be perfect but why not just get it out there for people to see and experience?

I think the real trick is in setting up the right parameters for choosing classes. Valve said they're willing to add a 6v6 option - is there any way to impose the 6's structure without directly supporting it? I think the solution is to simply set "group limits."

6's is basically composed 4 OFFENSE + 1 DEFENSE + 1 SUPPORT.

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Why not work with these limits? If (very big IF) Valve is willing to set a limit of 4 offense players, 1 defense and 1 support, a mild form of 6's is already in the making. So how else can you make it like 6's? Set up another rule - maximum of 2 players per class. And lastly, allow players to offclass in their "group type" only - a medic can offclass as sniper/spy, a demo can offclass as heavy/engie, etc. (This sounds ridiculous I know but bear with me...)

There are def some downsides to this system. Obviously you'd have to include pyro. Then you might get the occasional idiot that'll go spy when the team really needs a medic or someone who will go engie when a mobile demo would be best. This would make teams frustrated but believe it or not - I think this is exactly what would "save" 6's.

After playing with these group limits, people are eventually going to realize there are optimal choices. Think of it as a training ground to 6's. People will eventually grasp that a medic is a strong general support class and there are limited times to play spy. A pyro is best for sneaky flanking. Scouts and Soldiers are favored for direct combat over a pyro. A demo can deal more dmg than an engie, etc.

Some good things - some players are really good as other classes but they don't have a permanent place in 6's. If you're a really good pyro now you can play pyro or heavy - but it's going to come at a price.

Anyway before this gets too long, it can work. It's not 6's exactly, but pretty damn close. #1 thing is that any class can play so Valve doesn't have to setup silly restrictions on not being able to play a class they created. Doesn't mess too much with their dynamic.

The only question remaining is, WHEN will the players realize that 2 scouts, 2 soldiers, 1 demo and 1 medic is going to be the best choice? Heh.

*I also liked the idea of 3 offense classes, 1 defense and 2 support - I felt this might make an interesting 6's variation but maybe it's too different...