As stated in the original post, we're working on a system to automatically exchange larger items for smaller items of equal value.

It makes no money by choice, not because it doesn't work.

It's not about deciding not to pay out, it's about the fact that sometimes from the available pool of items, it's logistically impossible to pay certain users out. Given that saloon doesn't actually make any money at all, it's unfeasible for it to just give users credit for items outside this pool. As I said earlier, we're working on a system to ensure we have a steady stock of low-value items to exchange for certain high-value items when the need arises. I don't really know what you expect us to do beyond what we already said we will do.

I own 50% of scrap.tf. The other 50% of scrap.tf (Jessecar) is both not related to saloon in any way and has stated his desire to remain completely separated from it. The issue is a bit more complex than you might imagine.

This is the plan, yes, but scrap.tf cannot be used for this for reasons stated above.

There shouldn't because this isn't what is actually happening.

Got zero as expected

Hey guys,

Figured I'd make this thread to clear up some recent issues regarding saloon.

Regarding the 20b vs froyo match:

This never should have been verified. I'm not sure who did verify it, but we're actively trying to find out. Regardless, many people unfairly lost (and won) their bets. We've taken steps to rectify this:

All items that were given to "winners" that were not withdrawn yet were given back to their betters. This represents about 50% of the items that were lost. The remainder are being paid out of our own pockets; all items that were lost are being exchanged with items of equivalent value. This process takes a little bit of time so please do be patient. In total, ~80 keys are yet to be paid back.

Regarding not winning items for bets you placed:

Essentially, what this boils down to is the fact that not enough items are being bet on matches to ensure fair distribution of items. Because some items are rather valuable, and most bets are not, what this means is that sometimes it's impossible to fairly pay out a bet. Usually this means you're underpaid, but it can also mean you're not paid at all or overpaid.

We have had a system in place since Saloon began to solve this wherein if we need to, we can exchange some of those higher-value items for some lower-value items that we own. The problem is, actually acquiring these low-value items to perform the automated exchanges is difficult. We're working on a system to automatically exchange low-value items from sweetstakes to saloon to remedy this.

That said, I understand the lack of communication regarding this issue has been disappointing and I don't blame you for being upset. Simply put, saloon has not been performing up to the par the TF2 community deserves and for that we apologize.

Edit: see here for a full explanation

I've been told this guy looks like me. Someone should tell him!

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*vomits uncontrollably*

pretending I know the first thing about the competitive scene

it's worked pretty well so far

If there's never an opportunity for forgiveness after someone legitimately admits and acknowledges their faults what's the incentive for someone to ever stop doing bad things

do you know what being a psychopath actually entails

okay guys seriously I feel sympathy for your being DDoSed but what are you doing

Wasn't disagreeing with you. It always shocks me how people are willing to commit a very serious crime because they want to feel powerful.

look mommy, I can commit a felony against a STUPID MEAN WEBSITE!