DaggerBetter flow? As in the game of 6v6 plays a lot better on the map.
That's what I'm saying is the issue to me. I still don't have a reason why it's objectively better.
DaggerGranary is notorious for bad spawn times and spawn locations and I'm trying to fix it.
I quite like the spawn times. As do other players that don't come to this thread. The issue with the map-change/_pro threads is that the majority of people that post on them are people that very much dislike the map. This is why you see inane changes being made based off subjective hoopla all the time. It's why you don't see a whole lot of _pro maps in the rotations.
DaggerThe problems with the map do not justify as its unique quirks, it just makes it bad.
My point isn't that your opinion of granary are incorrect. But they are your opinions of the map. Which is why it urks me that it's being released as "cp_granary_pro" and not "cp_granary_dagger". The pro should mean fixing things that are 100% completely bad such as broken sightlines, fps issues, splash issues, etc. Not whatever a small group of players feels will make the map "flow better".
Teapot_You're being incredibly ignorant if you think mirroring the map is the only fix it needed.
Just like you can say I'm being ignorant for thinking what I think, I could call you ignorant for assuming that my reasons are. If you want to discuss the map, please do so in a way that doesn't assume I'm an idiot that has no clue what he's talking about.
botmodegranary is notorious for a mid-wipe leading to a last cap without any contention at all, because most of the players hadn't made it out of spawn yet or even spawned to begin with.
Maybe JUST MAYBE if you wipe late on mid and the other team has enough people up to cap the point and send people to stack second you deserve to lose the round.
botmodeGranary is a very difficult last to push on even and usually involves the defending team losing their uber somehow before a successful push occurs.
Which is probably why it works out so well that the spawn times on the map are the way that they are.
I'd like to reiterate that I don't dislike everything about this map, but there are a lot of changes that have been made that a lot of people see as simply unnecessary or even a step backwards.