China isn't much of a communist country economically speaking since a good 20 years honestly, but that doesn't change the fact that they are deep into free riding as far as environmental concerns go indeed

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Sorry for those who felt left out. Was a tough one.

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Well I knew lower frequencies were more stable overall, otherwise we'd be underclocking probably instead of overclocking, I just didn't know that the one for the CPU cache actually made a difference. How should I approach lowering its value tho ? Gradually too ? How much per step in that case ?

I think I just kept the other voltages to the auto values as I had read in several guides, but maybe I'd need to look deeper into that. What's the impact of cache frequency on overclocking ?
As for VCore I guess I'll gradually go above 1.3 and see how stable and cool it can stay.

Alright, I think you have a fair point. I'll wait for bigger upgrades in the coming years.
Would you have any tips for pushing my i3 to 4.7-8 GHz ? I'm pretty convinced I could manage it with decent temps. I'm currently on 1.250 V for 4.5 GHz, and when I tried 4.8 on slightly higher voltages, my PC would just bluescreen after around a minute. Now I couldn't tell if it was a temp problem or if I actually just needed to up the voltage slightly more. Haven't pushed past 1.280 V so I guess there's still a bit of room for it if that's the right parameter to change. If it's not I guess I just need a better cooler if I wanna reach 4.8 or even 5.0 ?

Do you mean 3% better performance compared to having an i3-8350K ? Or between 3600(X) and 9600K ?

Alright, guess things are settled for my friend's PC pretty much.
Now for mine, let's assume I've sold cpu+mobo+cooler to my other friend. I now need to buy all three : in that case, should I go for the 9600K, the 3600 or the 3600X ? Usage is the same as described in 2nd paragraph of #3337, and ideally I'd still want to overclock to get as much as possible out of my 1070.

Well a used 2700X sounds like a pretty good idea indeed, thanks for the suggestion I'll look into that. Any suggestions for mobos and coolers ?

As for me, I guess the GPU change doesn't really make sense after all, might as well wait some more for real big upgrades to come out.
As far as CPU goes however, my reason for saying I was probably gonna change both mobo and cooler were because I might sell CPU+mobo+cooler to another friend of mine who wanted a fairly cheap gaming build opportunity. I guess if he changes his mind I'll keep them and settle for a 4.5 GHz overclock on the 9600K instead of 4.8/5.0 so as to not have it fry.
But if he doesn't and I have to go for brand new CPU+mobo+cooler I'm still unsure what the better option is.

Thanks for the answer !
You say no mobo change would be required anyway, but would a B450 hinder overclock significantly on the 3600 ? Unless I'm missing the point and overclocking doesn't actually matter that much for film editing and rendering.

Anyway, turns out I might be interested in those CPUs myself too. I had been asking questions about the i5-9600K cause I wanted to buy one, but I'm starting to wonder whether I might make a better choice by picking the 3600/3600X over it. I will be overclocking it most probably, and will mostly use it in gaming scenarios, although I do sometimes do a bit of editing and run C, C++ and Python based programs. In both the Intel and AMD scenarios I'd probably get a new mobo and cooler (current MSI Z370 A-PRO and Be Quiet! Pure Rock on an i3-8350K @4.5GHz). But prices on the X-570 mobos seem like a real issue to me right now, so I'd probably settle for an X-470 I guess ? I don't know whether the non-X version of the 3600 is better or worse for overclocking either, nor what cooler or X-470 mobo I should go for.

As for AMD GPUs, I'm wondering whether the RX 5700 XT could be worth an upgrade from my GTX 1070 once aftermarket cooling solutions and drivers are fully sorted out. I'm currently playing at 1080p144 with a FreeSync compatible monitor, which is why I'd be interested in AMD GPUs. I don't think I will be making the switch to 1440p anytime soon cause I care about the refresh rate and would probably need at least an RTX 2080 to make really good use of 1440p144, not to mention screen tearing in that case unless I pay extra to get a G-SYNC monitor. My only concern is whether that decision would be enough of a future investment (e.g. will I be feeling like I should switch my GPU again in less than 2 or 3 years).

Ayo, a friend of mine is planning on building a PC somewhere towards the end of the summer, mostly directed towards film editing (he studies cinema) but he also would like it to be able to sustain decent gaming loads in the future on fairly high settings in 1080p. As of right now, I've come up with this build for a budget of around 1000 euros : https://www.materiel.net/configurateur-pc-sur-mesure/6d2725a6711b0dbf17875fe1056a113d/
Partpicker isn't the most convenient sorry. Price includes monitor and two complementary fans I've picked.
Obviously, if the 3600 or 2600X happen to have a close pricing to the 2600 I'd pick one of them over it, but 2600X would probably be better cause no mobo change would be required ?
Thanks in advance

Edit : He will probably be willing to overclock his CPU, which might make 2600 a better option than the X-variant. What cooler would you recommend however ? Not sure whether the one I've picked is beefy enough for a 4,1 GHz overclock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDUNLfxtSo
first one, image quality sucks not sure why

Sent dispute yesterday evening. Hope it works. I would assume if it doesn't in 2 or 3 days there's little to no chance it ever will.