alex80Answer the question I asked you: If, god forbid, your mother was killed while the IDF was bombing apartment buildings saying they wanted to kill Hamas, would you be satisfied? would you say "oh well they took the appropriate steps, so whatever!"?
I answered (https://i.imgur.com/vOJpVgr.png). Question is irrelevant to whether IDF is right to bomb Hamas. Why do you keep appealing to emotion so much?
alex80so you just base your arguments on your own personal opinions? Your assumptions are apparently equivalent to facts?
It is not exactly a personal opinion that Hamas is antisemetic and wants jews dead, and them saying "no we changed our mind in 2017" is not convincing in the least. Read the 1988 charter (not explicitly revoked) which says jews should be killed, that they control the banks and so on.
alex80Again you bring up the human shield narrative. Regardless of that, what to you constitutes a "military base of operations"? Because when that hospital was bombed to shit because IDF said there was a hamas base underneath, the pictures they took showed 3-4 rifles, and then boots and books. Please tell me if that justifies the levelling of hospitals, schools, churches, masjids, etc.
Al-Shaifa was a command center and hosted Israeli hostages - per Israeli and American intelligence. Only a few hostages were found, sadly. It does justify it, if Israel thinks it is worth achieving its military objectives - killing the enemy who hides behind human shields. It is not a surprise you mention all these buildings - IDF destroys more buildings than kills people because it prevents civilian deaths and sends warning strikes.
alex80Oh, thats so considerate. After kicking me out of my house and letting me live in the basement, you say that you will only take 10% of that basement for yourself, thats so considerate! leaving 90% of a humid basement!
I would not use this child-like analogy to describe this conflict and its history but yes actually. Take all of Gaza and the West Bank (after Hamas is annihilated ofc course) or the conflict keeps going. Anything else involves Israelis being killed. Don't tell me you believe in a bogus right of return (palestinians being kept in refugee camps to one day return to a land they have never been to before).
alex80But how do you know? Crimea had a referendum that said they liked Russia, didnt they?
Crimea referendum was not valid, for a multitude of reason and even if it was that's not how it works.
alex80 All that aside, you yourself said that Jews NOW live on those lands. It's like your own subconscious is screaming at you. You are right that they are one country, because even what constitutes "Palestine" is occupied and strictly governed by Israel with their apartheid system.
Thankfully, by the grace of God, I was born in Europe. Here in Europe we reduce our ancestral grudges to memes on the internet. You however like to keep them going, shed blood (yours and others), and never advance because of this. Well, not you because you are an immigrant blessed by the European soul of "forgive and forget" but you know what I mean.
vlad80Did you know that in WW2, according to your precious non-hamas sources, the civilian casualty ratio was in the 60%s, that included deaths from the many famines not to mention bombings and such. In the Great March of Return, it is 75%. You call that good? All of this is beginning to make me think that you think killing innocent civilian protesters is okay, so long as a few "militants" are also killed in the bunch. I thought you valued democracy so much??? what happened?
Yes, considering the fact that so many people were in such close proximity. Weird how you don't mention the Israel-Palestine section of the Wikipedia page you probably just read about civilian casualty ratios - even using Hamas sources it says it is 65% which sounds pretty good to me given that Hamas hides in civilian buildings.