IDF. They fight and kill Hamas, and Hamas are terrorists. This is obvious. Hamas attacked civilians on Oct 7th and this is why they are now getting bombed.

Allies didn't care how many Asians the Japanese killed (pre 1945 Asia was a hellhole and everyone killed everyone). They declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor (really, it was in their strategic interest). Your "ratio of civilians killed to Hamas" applied to the Tokyo Fire Bombings does not look good given that they were specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. US didn't have to do that, given that Japan has a real working military, but Israel has to target civilian buildings because there are no military buildings in Gaza, so yes these two bombings aren't fully comparable but this does not help your case at all. Also, you keep switching your "proportionality" from Hamas vs Palestinian civilians and Israeli deaths vs Palestinian deaths. Which is it? I mentioned the Tokyo Fire Bombings because you said people shouldn't support Israel because they (accidentally) kill civilians.

Sure, more Palestinians died than Israelis. I agree. This doesn't mean Israel is necessarily wrong. Israel has a much, much better military, with military buildings. They don't hide in civilian buildings using human shields. This also means most innocent Israeli deaths can be easily avoided but Hamas have to kill and rape festival goers because they're barbarians.

I'm iffy on Iraq, and kinda support Afghanistan but that's beside the point, and the argument for these wars is more than just "they have terrorists". They're not comparable. Palestine is part of Israel. Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this). Palestine-Israel conflict would probably still exist even if there was no Hamas terrorism (it would just make Palestine seem much better).

From the link:
in addition to the statistics provided by the Palestinian Health Ministry, its own figures include people who have been missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes for more than 14 days now, with very little hope of survival.
PHM-West Bank takes its casualty numbers from PHM-Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. Not only are you giving me figures likely inflated by Hamas, but also inflated with people missing. Note that I do not claim these figures are necessarily wrong, but that we don't yet know for sure their true number. One thing about the PHM-Gaza figures we know is that they do not differentiate between civilians and militants.

What is the point of arguing about this when the ICC is currently investigating Israel? Why not wait for their independent conclusion? Are we that desperate to score political points for the in-group?

Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.

IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.

The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.

I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.

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The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his in-group. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.

nobody has posted anything to convince me they are yet

This is the human equivalent of zoo monkeys throwing their excrements. lol

Does musical choice define someone's political views in America? It doesn't in the real world.

1) I don't have Nazi aligned views? I don't understand why you've said this but ok.
2) Where did I say anyone's life was worth less? I think the contrary actually.
3) You didn't tell anyone to 'unalive' themselves you told someone to have a horrible debilitating disease that ruins lives.
4) You awkwardly racially profiled me as white and described my eastern european ancestry as "sheltered".

Calling the non-white individual who was arguing against the original poster's covert anti-Semitism and addressing your xenophobic meme is a prime example of peak delusion. Do you ever step outside to breathe fresh air, or do you prefer to huff the surrounding excrement you've allowed yourself to wallow in? I often share differing views and post, yet nobody seems willing to engage in a constructive discussion with me. I feel pity for you; I truly do; it must be somewhat frustrating that someone from a less affluent country consistently outperforms you in various aspects of life (dunks on you). Personally, I recently achieved my first set of ten pull-ups after sustaining a diet of rice and chicken for three weeks. What have you done lately? I believe in self-improvement and lifting others up, yet all I can see from yourself is a dirty, petty troll trying to provoke me. Well, enough is enough. I regret to say this, but engaging with you seems utterly futile, especially when your sole focus (alongside your 'mate') is to attack me. In the words of Goggins, 'stay hard', or in your case, stay dense in the membrane. Being this stubbornly close-minded must make it incredibly difficult to navigate through the nuance of life. I apologize for labeling you as unintelligent but at least I didn't wish something as severe as cancer upon you, unlike a particular individual who displayed such foolishness

Not the alphabet hasan fan who doesn't play the game posting xenophobic memes because he can't deal with my arguments (if you say anything about non-whites or gays he will shit his pants and have another nervous breakdown on tftv). Seethe more.

Show non-Hamas sources. What are they meant to prove? Israel mistook the number of casualties because they counted terrorists? Ok, and? Sounds to me you bought into a leftist conspiracy theory that this is somehow all orchestrated by Israel (jews in the shadows).

Has nothing to do with what I said. 72% of Palestinians support Oct 7th.

hm today I will make a thread about israel-palestine on a gaming forum and not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7, which the majority of palestinians endorse and which I provide implicit justification for and which is the only reason I even know anything about this subject (I watched a video by my favorite political streamer/youtuber and I repeat all his talking points). I will further try to compare this conflict to russia-ukraine despite russia's aggression being clearly unprompted and recognized as a violation of international law by the ICC and Israel only getting meaningless UN resolutions. Join me, fellow young (leftist) overconfident men in speculating about this complex conflict on tftv.

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If you are on a uni network you can ask arie from serveme for steam accounts associated with your ip. I accidentally did that and I found some guy in open was at my uni and I DMed him. Sadly he was a degenerate furry so our friendship could not blossom.

Anyone know why catman's youtube got deleted?