Possibly. Possibly not. Your question is irrelevant to this though, since you asked if IDF is killing Hamas, not how many. Hamas has the real numbers, but they do not differentiate between militants and civilians.

Israel is a real military, with a good intelligence agency, with different viewpoints (a democracy), with scrutiny by many international orgs, with a good record. So actually I can do this. But this is besides the point.

Sucks... but Oct 7th wasn't the first attack by Hamas. Their charter says jews should be exterminated after all.

Source? I don't think we know how many Hamas soldiers die, because the only source is... Hamas. Also this ratio is not important. We'd only care about how much Israel does to prevent civilian deaths, not how many militants they kill. Read the definition of proportionality on page 1-6 here. We only care about how much Israel does to prevent civilian deaths. Given the use of Hamas of human shields, and the fact that the IDF gives warning shots and that the way it strikes Hamas buildings is completely correct (use of precision weapons on the target building then the closest buildings because that is where the target flees)

Hello... where is the source for this?

Israel did not "invent" Hamas lol. Another militant group would replace them if they were gone because the Palestinian public supports killing Israelis. Israel gave Hamas a chance when they evicted their Gaza settlers, and Hamas did not take it and just started bombing Israel from there.

Yeah... you got me there with your psychoanalysis. I'm a realpolitik guy. How you got that I hecking love the US from being iffy on Iraq and pro Afghanistan is beyond me. I would rather not have US hegemony, but US hegemony is better than any other country right now. The US needs to intervene more, not less, in Israel so Hamas can be eradicated and peace be reached.

You really got me here... This is why I think Hamas shouldn't hide in civilian buildings so Palestinians don't have to die. This is some great factual argument we're having. Tell me more about what I really believe.

No, but it is the only international authoritative body on war crimes. UN resolutions are meaningless.

Not surprised Hamas doesn't let independent orgs gather data. Doesn't mean their data isn't inflated.

This is just violence buddy. Terrorism has a specific meaning. Why are you so fixated on it? I already condemned the settlers. You're grasping at straws.

I am pro war... against Hamas. This is the only way I see peace in this conflict. If Hamas is gone. I can't wait for this to happen, so Palestinian civilians don't have to be used as human shields.

Hello sir but Palestinians aren't going to be expelled, not are they being exterminated (their population is in fact booming!). It is jews who will be if Israel does not fight back because this is what will happen if a bunch of anti-Semitic Palestinians are allowed to have their way (Hamas charter says that Jews must be exterminated) If Israel wanted to invade and wipe them off the face of the Earth they could have done it easily already. If Hamas stop their bombs and civilian attacks they could prove to the world they are not barbarian third worlders who can only commit violence and rape. Israel would have to stop bombing like they decreased their bombings in the past, just because of political pressure alone. Then the US could mediate the peace agreement (invade Palestine if they break it - stop all support for Israel if they break it). This is not an easy solution, but more feasible than any other, especially yours (none, or worse: Jewish genocide). Do try and make a real argument for why this can't work next time. Thanks!

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I'm doing a good job if I make all these people so mad they can't even try to respond to any of my arguments - or provide evidence for their ridiculous claims. Keep seething. I'm getting my Mossad money any day now.

So u can't lol. Keep mentioning random shit to cope.

If there are no human shields can you please provide me the location of where Hamas terrorists reside? Where do they launch rockets from? Where are the military Hamas buildings? Where do they store their weapons and bombs? Oh wait, you can't answer these questions because the answer to them is Gaza civilian buildings so you have to mention random shit you found on twitter.

You deny Oct 7th because you saw a tweet about it and you never respond to anything I say. Do you even know what indiscriminate bombing is? Israel could wipe Gaza off the map if they wanted to. 20k deaths? It could be 500k in a week. Israel dropped 65k tons of bombs and killed about 20k people including militants (Hamas numbers). You really think they can't do better than that?

But they are almost always collateral damage because Hamas uses human shields.

Yeah, that's why Hamas should not use civilian buildings and human shields. I support this and so should you. Yet here we are.

I said reasonable.

I am not exactly pro-Bibi (although I do like some of his internal policies) so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Sharon was going to accept the peace deal until he got ousted. Arafat gave up on the Camp David Summit, which offered Palestine 91% of the West Bank, all of Gaza and more. This is somehow violence to you. Remember that in 2005 when Israel evicted its settlers from Gaza, Hamas took over and started bombing Israel. The problem the West Bank has its that it's a high ground and a much better bombing spot than Gaza. Why give that place to potential terrorists? It sounds completely fair to me that Israel thinks the people who just killed 700 civilians (for no purpose) and want to do it again could be a security risk. Peace talks are useless now imo, especially if Palestine insists on a crazy right of return. Action, or better said inaction by Hamas is required. They have to prove they are not barbarians.

Please learn the difference between terror, terrorizing and terrorism. These are very different things. It would be terrorism if settlers would attack, say people at a festival in Palestine. Oh wait.

I don't disagree that a historical understanding is required to solve this conflict. Let's assume Palestine is historically in the right (I don't know what this means. Jews deserving to be expelled or living as an oppressed minority under a Palestinian government?). This would still make Oct 7th a horrible attack - not too far from 9/11 in scale. This attack itself, differentiated from the conflict demands military action partly as did 9/11. What makes Oct 7th special (besides the magnitude, the recency and the fact that Palestine and Israel are technically not engaged in a full blown war) is that innocents were killed and raped without reason. They weren't collateral. It was not just fighting back. I wouldn't find much wrong with Hamas attacking Israeli military. It's war after all. When Israel bombs Gaza now, they have a supplementary justification to do it (besides the long history and attack-reaction repeat they have going on for decades) because their civilians were attacked mercilessly - and the whole reasonable world agrees.
I also think violence is definitely not helping Palestinians and a peaceful solution would be much more effective.

Hahahaha and people say I'm unhinged. I expected a lot of dumb things here but denying Oct 7th which there is massive video and witness evidence for I did not expect. Just shows how much some of you guys need to take a step back and look who you are agreeing with and think about your biases. If anyone is sheltered here, it is Westerners who cannot grasp the idea of a violent Middle Eastern group killing innocents and raping women because it goes against their strategic interests. Is it another Mossad false flag bro? Where is this magic bullet video evidence that shows the IDF did it? Just pathetic at this point. Take a breather. You're on the level of Holocaust denial.

get called out for justifying innocents getting killed and raped -> nonsensically respond once with tweet level religion rambling -> exit and claim you're getting baited
lol go back to twitter

Correct, but Oct 7th greatly improves the IDF's justification to bomb Palestine, which is why the attacks have ramped up massively after Oct 7th. All Hamas/Palestine have to do is not needlessly kill innocents and not bomb Israel for a few years to prove they are not violent barbarians and the whole world (or the only place that matters geopolitically, the US) will greatly improve their stance towards them and might even find a solution for this conflict. This is impossible for them.

Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.

lol. are all your countrymen unable to defend their horrible posts?

I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.

Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.