pretty sure cheeto's crew just posted a thread calling this particular person out, but it was deleted

Sweet taste of vindication

I fail to understand a lot of the admin's decisions. welcome to the club

to be fair I think it might actually be reasonable, unlike any other situation in history, to have missed a demo submission. Yen has had his demos requested like a billion times so eventually it was bound to happen or have one missing. Combined with all the other controversies it certainly seems a lot more suspicious, and personally, I think that the fact that pretty much every clip related to him in this thread being from basically one singular match that he played is the most suspicious part of the whole situation.

The demo tick argument is reasonable, but I think we're also hyperfocusing on this one game that he played and ignoring a lot of the other wild shit that we've seen back from when the thread first dropped.

It would be awesome to help showcase the difference to all the people who are unaware- I was thinking of doing the same thing with a comparison video. I'd also like to point out that the literal exact frame that the shot is fired is also the exact frame that the direction they are moving their view becomes reversed.

This is a fairly convincing argument and helps a lot I think with illustrating why the clips are weird. It certainly gives me something to look out for in the future. I am trying to stay as unbiased as possible in looking at these clips, so I do wonder, is there an explanation for this that isn't "it happens sometimes"? I can't see it being real.

Young sanity asked me about this clip a while ago so I'll throw in the response I gave to him here.

There are my observations:

1. The rightwards flick is incredibly fast, and it appears to stop at a reasonable point. Depending on how the demo strafes it seems like it might have hit.

2. Cursor immediately returns back after the flick- His sensitivity is quite high and the movements before hand suggest jitters after flicks. Elaborating on this, it really doesn't make sense for him to want to look left after the flick, why not keep looking right where all the action is? I don't have the full context of the clip, but I do not believe that it is reasonable for yen to have been scanning for another enemy near batts or lobby post flick- so this leftwards flick after the shot appears to be purely related to the player's aim. Whether or not the leftwards flick is jitters or correction for an aimkey? I don't have a clue.

3. The flick that is moving *towards the player* itself does not appear suspicious at all to me. The second pipe does not appear at all suspicious to me- the only part that feels weird is the movement to the left afterwards.

4. It seems to me like if it was an aimbot, then it would have fired a better predictive pipe.

5. Yen has a history of quite weird clips like these.

Overall, a lot of nothing here on its own, players flicking backwards to the left isn't super unheard of, and playing on high sens does do some weird things to people's aim and I think it's reasonable to expect clips like this to show up for just about every player eventually. I've seen plenty of awful players that I know definitely aren't cheating do stuff that is close to this, though I admittedly don't pay that much attention to that sort of thing, so it's hard to say how different this is. It's impossible to deny that it looks odd though, and combined with a history of similarly weird clips I think it's worth investigating further, but right now there isn't really any hard evidence contributing to an accusation of cheats.

days since last young man incident: 0

I don't think anyone that considers picking up young sanity is ever confused about what they are about to pick up

every season it's the same thing. It's not even a secret- you either hope and pray that nobody from the div above drops down to take a free season, or you do it yourself. How absurd can you make a roster before one of the rgl admins finally notices your team is on average a div and a half above the rest of the competitors?

Add on the cheaters running rampant, obvious alts of so many players, and the fact that it's a paid league- what's the point? Forking over money so that the dealer's choice of circlejerk can sandbag.

Is it time? I let puguhb die again when rgl pugs started up, nothing saying it can't come back.

I don't got beef with any of y'all but I will say this- Maff's internet was definitely, certifiably, absolute shit, and slamborghini did straight up rq- that wasn't really in our control. Do I think that alex trying to restrict fuzze was stupid? absolutely.

we didn't stream unfortunately. let's just say I'm taking the words I heard to the grave

y'all would not believe the comms I heard

ban sniper too