I seem to remember us telling the devs that we'd like it better with class picking and the ability to sub so pugs don't just McFucking die if someone quits or doesn't show, and then it never getting changed.

damn the sniper frags that were from POV demos in this video really made me wish the rest of the hitscan frags were from POV demos and not STV ones. I know it's not your fault for not being able to get the POV demos, Beater -- I'd rather have STV hitscan frags than nothing -- but I just wanna say that seeing the individual jitters in people's sniper flicks is fucking NUTTY and I miss it.

My brain has a graphical glitch, Valve plz fix

https://imgur.com/gallery/iyjhC1c

TF2 Edit nerd here;

totally agree with Tob's points on pacing/clip quality.

Also, one big reason that klm's edit is hard to follow is that there's zero sound effects. I didn't mind the visual effects in isolation but that + no killfeed + no sounds means it's often hard to tell IMMEDIATELY when he actually hits an arrow on someone or not. (The arrow impact sound is so satisfying, how could you not include that?) For reference, here's a fucking CRAZY tf2 edit where shit is all over the screen but you can still follow what's going on (shockingly) because of the sound cues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29zYMnO8l00 -- you may not be able to follow aim very well, a style which some people will always inherently hate (for reasons I empathize with), but you always know instantly when an enemy dies.

In the klm/slicerouge edit, yeah I can still technically tell what is going on in the offending clips by squinting, thinking about it, or waiting for the follow-up smooth to tell me if he hit that arrow, but making the viewer have to exert effort to figure out what is happening isn't really what you want in an edit.

That being said, I don't think klm's edit is bad, it just doesn't really live up to its potential.

...holy fuck I spent an hour on this, I need to end this nerd essay before it becomes a 10-page paper on the history of tf2 editing. Don't do Film majors in college kids.

Ultimate Top 8 clip dump:

(fuck late night scheduling BTW)

https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceFuriousElephantPrimeMe

https://clips.twitch.tv/KindBlueGnatTwitchRPG

https://clips.twitch.tv/TsundereFlirtyPastaSmoocherZ

https://clips.twitch.tv/ZanyTsundereHummingbirdBibleThump

https://clips.twitch.tv/AffluentTardyMallardOhMyDog

https://clips.twitch.tv/GoldenPerfectStapleKeyboardCat

https://clips.twitch.tv/SullenHeadstrongPancakeBCouch

https://clips.twitch.tv/FragilePerfectNuggetsTheThing

https://clips.twitch.tv/RockySoftFloofDansGame

https://clips.twitch.tv/SwissBoldMangetoutYouDontSay

https://clips.twitch.tv/PerfectCarelessClintmullinsSwiftRage

https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyPerfectDadShadyLulu

https://youtu.be/UGXu_sXl2n4?t=112

I can only speak for myself, but the cheater listed in this thread is the only one I have encountered (at least that I recognized) since the level cap was added. So yes, I believe it reduces cheaters.

I agree that getting a level 5 account is not a huge effort by itself, but I do think that it's a significant step up in effort from simply creating a new account every time you get banned.

Again, we need DATA on how effective the level ban has been at reducing cheaters (+ its effect on overall playerbase) to argue this solidly, or else we will just theorycraft around each other's arguments into eternity.

I agree that removing the level cap for the sniper servers would be a bad move, but I still think that it warrants testing, since I too would enjoy DM servers that are alive for more of the day.

I see and understand this, and had a sentence about it in my original response, dude. I'm just going to paste it again here.

More constructively, I think changing all 6 tftv DM servers without consulting actual data would be a dumb move, but I would support changing the #3 Chicago and #3 Dallas servers to no-level-cap just as an experiment to see if it really would bring more casual players back.

I see this "well if people want [x] badly enough they will find a way to get it anyways so there's no point in doing [y] to make it harder" argument a lot and there is a huge logical flaw with it.

Very simply, making it harder to cheat DOES deter many cheaters, even if it doesn't net 100%. Even with the ones who do persevere, it makes the costs (literal $, time, and/or effort) higher per attempt. In my experience, the level cap has been a huge deterrent to cheaters, raising the cost of a cheating attempt from merely the time it takes to make a new account to the effort and money needed to find and buy a level 5 account.

To throw out just a few analogies:
-If people want to rob your house badly enough they will find a way in, but that doesn't mean you stop locking your doors or that you disable your security system, because those will still continue to keep out the common criminal!
-If a hacker wants your data badly enough they will find a way around your antivirus software -- but that doesn't mean that you should disable it, saying that there's "no point!"
-It was a long time before wearing a seatbelt in a car became a legal requirement in the U.S.. Nowadays, you will still have the occasional idiot who doesn't wear one (notably including my older brother, who rolled a pickup without a seatbelt when he was 16 and was lucky to escape without serious injury), but since the law requiring seatbelts passed, deaths and injuries from car crashes in the US dropped dramatically.

P.S. if you use this flawed logic to argue against gun restrictions, the same stuff applies! I believe that there are legitimate arguments against gun restrictions in the US, but this is not one of them.

This I might agree with, but I'd need to see actual data on numbers of cheaters and the overall DM playerbase.

Personal favs:

7 by Beach House
Live in Orchestra by Doseone and Alias (R.I.P.)

yes import all the smash memes please

Battle Brothers is a legendary turn-based strategy game IMO. I'll also second XCOM:EU, especially with the Long War mod

I really like team health bars personally, it's a speedy way for me as a viewer to track how teamfights are developing in general without having to look at the health bars of 12 individual players and miss onscreen action.