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#621 How to Get to In-Game Comp Lobbies in TF2 General Discussion
DannSo TF2 can't get support their own creators because it hasn't been in the competitive scene for long enough?
This makes no sense.

Dude, the point is that the CS MODS established THEIR OWN competitive scenes. You are missing a major cause and effect if you think that the size of counter strike's competitive nature is because valve added a crappy matchmaking system to CS GO.

Dota as a mod already had a huge scene before valve picked it up.

It isn't in valve's interest to go around finding small time comp scenes and trying to establish them with money, we are talking about two games that were created and played in competitive environments with a purpose from the beginning. CS Source was a big time competitive game long before Valve came along with CSGO (And of course the mod before that).

posted about 10 years ago
#617 How to Get to In-Game Comp Lobbies in TF2 General Discussion
MasterKuniSoapI am still failing to understand the argument that TF2 competitive is only as small as it is because no one knows about it.
I dunno dude, I played this game for ~4 years/1500 hours before I even heard that it had a competitive scene. I would've gotten involved much earlier had I previously known it existed.

Even if that was true for a majority of pubbers in tf2, which I doubt is true, the question of the cost benefit analysis still has to be made.

I don't see a scenario where it is a more profitable investment to work with tf2 rather than the other more successful platforms valve already has.

posted about 10 years ago
#615 How to Get to In-Game Comp Lobbies in TF2 General Discussion
DannThe least Valve could do is pay back to the community that brings them in MILLIONS of dollars in revenue. They take a 10% cut of all steam community sales for TF2 and unusuals worth hundreds even thousands of dollars trade hands every day, not to mention all the keys and hats and paints bought every day in the Mann Co Store. The fact they make so much money from the store should not be a motive to NOT make comp more known about but the very opposite.

I mean, despite what you may think, Valve doesn't owe the competitive community anything. To say that the tf2 community as a whole wants Valve to support a competitive scene is a bit one-sided considering that tf.tv + ugc are an incredibly small subset of tf2 players. Valve is a business, they are better off promoting their products that have established competitive scenes.

I am still failing to understand the argument that TF2 competitive is only as small as it is because no one knows about it. Its far more likely that it isn't well followed because A) watching tf2 matches on stream is not enjoyable compared to the alternatives B) Because Counter Strike and Dota are inherently competitive in the sense that they built their competitive scenes to their large following without large third party support.

The difference is that the counter strike mod community built themselves into the massive comp scene they were back in the day. It is crazy to think that CS is only a competitive game because Valve decided "to give back to the community" by adding a competitive matchmaking system in GO. MOBAs, in the same way, are inherently competitive.

Finally, if it was put to a vote, i would guess that the tf2 community would rather have a massive mann co sale or a new drop scheme as some vague "repayment" for their past purchases rather than a matchmaking system.

posted about 10 years ago
#612 How to Get to In-Game Comp Lobbies in TF2 General Discussion

Doesn't seem worth the investment to me. Dota and CS have several magnitudes the size and following of their competitive scenes vs TF2. The last LAN finals got...3k viewers I think?

I watched Sing Sing pet his cat last night at 11k viewers. So its hard for me as a 3rd party observer to look at TF2 and say its worth the money and engineers to build the system (or even worth their time to work with the community).

I am sure some of you are going to make the counter argument that games like CS and Dota are that big only because of the matchmaking system in the first place and, by extension, valve support, however I would encourage you to think a little further back when 1.6 and Source's competitive scenes still eclipsed TF2 at its peak by a wide margin (and then even further back when their mods were even larger than the current day TF2 scene as well). This took place long before any valve support of any kind.

The reasons above don't even touch on the subject of the massive popularity of MOBAs. Valve's going to make more money adding a second international LAN alongside the TI series than they would adding a comprehensive matchmaking system to TF2. Its not even worth Valves time to support the dwindling competitive TF2 scene when they are going to make more revenue off the mann co store and their other traditionally competitive games.

Actually, scratch the second LAN, they could just release a Zeus set for once and make more money.

posted about 10 years ago
#2 Anyone have a spare ESEA Premium Code in TF2 General Discussion
posted about 10 years ago
#99 Who is leaving? in TF2 General Discussion

Its hard to justify investing in TF2 when Arteezy and Sing Sing get more viewers at 2AM on their streams than i52 finals. Same for Summit

posted about 10 years ago
#637 MAJOR TF2 update for 6/18/14 (6/19/14, Love & War) in TF2 General Discussion

I dont know what gave anyone here indication that Valve ever cared about TF2 competitive. Thats what they have CS and Dota for.

posted about 10 years ago
#24 High open team lf scouts + 1 more friendly face in Recruitment (looking for players)

NBK for life!

posted about 10 years ago
#18 Season 13 Map List Is Out! in TF2 General Discussion

"steel is the best highlander map, it requires coordination and teamwork"

Because other maps dont apparently

posted about 10 years ago
#113 rip sven in TF2 General Discussion

Wait, you people are mad because he called a girl fat and posted a picture? Is this real?

I would imagine the reason why ruwin gets 50x more viewers than most of the people on this forum is because he actually says those things.

posted about 10 years ago
#43 rip harbleu in TF2 General Discussion

Damn it catgirls

come back from the library to this shit lol

posted about 10 years ago
#20 rip harbleu in TF2 General Discussion
Niko_JimsThough if that's against the rules, then there should be bans flying left and right. Like that one nerd named soap that literally has loli porn as his avatar.

I lost a bet man. Lots of people get mad when they see it though.

posted about 10 years ago
#8 Sometimes I write stats articles in TF2 General Discussion

Great read! Do you have a formal statistics background?

posted about 10 years ago
#16 Announcing: The Official UGC Plat HL Q+A Session! in TF2 General Discussion
alfawhy did you choose to be a neckbeard

When you play on steam for close to 80 or more hours in two weeks you begin to gravitate toward that lifestyle.

posted about 10 years ago
#55 Free to play - Dota 2 documentary in Off Topic
raikuINB4 TF2 movie about banny, shade and mirelin

Except for the whole prize pool thing

posted about 10 years ago
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