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#190 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
atidereIt is of no fault because of the Palestinians of course, but many Jews who were expelled from their ancestral homeland went to Iraq, Yemen, Iran, Lebanon, etc, only to be kicked out of those homes again down the road on numerous occasions (most recently in 1948)

This really fascinated me because you manage to invent the most bizarre circular logic to justify the existence of Israel. Antisemitism in the arab world, to be clear, is wrong. Yet not only is modern antisemitism a european phenomenon that the middle east adopted from them, but it was only adopted in reaction to how imperial britain was meddling in the region and zionist colonialism. You found a way to take antisemitism that flared up in reaction to zionism, not Jews, as a justification for zionism!

atidereIt is again, in my opinion, quite naïve to think everyone in the IDF agrees with the likes of Netanyahu or Itamar Ben Gvir etc.

the actual audacity to use the word naive while claiming surely the military apparatus and boots on the ground demolishing gaza and carrying out genocide have some disagreements with the government officials talking about how important it is to demolish gaza and ordering them to demolish gaza

atidereI will say, that it never ceases to amaze me that people feel comfortable criticizing the Israeli government and its systems/policies, and with the same comfort level, they will then propose a solution that involves whatever they are accusing of the Israeli government of committing. It really is a phenomenon that I may never come to understand.

im assuming this is a soft argument against what i said here:

Wild_RumpusJews lived in Palestine before zionism was invented and im sure they will live in Palestine after it is defeated. If you're asking if every Israeli citizen can rest assured that they get to keep going on as usual just under a palestinian state then the answer is no, settlers still need to be ousted from homes they dont own, war criminals and genociders still need to stand trial.

in which case i couldnt have made a more illustrative example of liberal zionism myself because not only is it cloaked in a sense of moral superiority, not only is there an assumption of israel's legitamacy woven in, but it is completely and utterly devoid of even an attempt to understand the issue systemically, understand the power dynamics. If a woman is returned her purse would you call her a thief for taking it back after it's stolen? In what way is the return the homes and land of a people back to them the same as the original theft? They are the exact opposite

posted 10 months ago
#188 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
atidereI guess our definitions of "liberal Zionism" are different. However, I don't think that is important to find out. If by Israel you mean Netanyahu and the Likud party (especially since he's retaken power), then I can't say you are far off. But if this is what you think the majority of Israelis think, it's just my opinion that that is a naïve conclusion to come to.

Here is a group of public opinion polls in israel: https://en.idi.org.il/articles/51198 (this is an israeli organization so you could argue that they may overrepresent the popularity of the state's actions)

What i want to point out is that yes, netanyahu is unpopular among the israeli "left". But as this poll shows a main split between left and right is that the right wants to wait until the so-called war is over to figure out blame fot the "failure of october 7th" whereas the "left" doesnt (or rather still dows but just kinda less so".

Combined with the fact that an insane 80 PERCENT of the israeli "left" are more trusting of the IDF than netanyahu this clearly paints the grim picture that the Israeli "left" doesnt have a problem with the ongoing genocide, otherwise they would trust the idk carrying it out, but instead just dont like that netanyahu let oct 7 happen

so yes, liberal zionists are pretty much exactly like ive described. people who are truly anti-zionist tend to leave israel if able

atidere I've got to ask, do you believe that Jews around the world have a right to live there too if they choose to do so? Again, appreciate the responses.

Jews lived in Palestine before zionism was invented and im sure they will live in Palestine after it is defeated. If you're asking if every Israeli citizen can rest assured that they get to keep going on as usual just under a palestinian state then the answer is no, settlers still need to be ousted from homes they dont own, war criminals and genociders still need to stand trial.

posted 10 months ago
#185 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
atidereVery insightful.

i can appreciate that empathy is important but what you've shared is not an ideologically-netural enlightened stance, its just basic liberal zionism. there are plenty of nominally "left-wing" israelis and israeli politics that would tell you (in many cases sincerely) that loss of palestinian life is a tragedy and that they just wish they could live together in peace. that israel is a good place that happens to be doing bad things, and its existence is self-evidently just
but if you actually tease this ideology apart, if you actually inquire why israel has to push palestinians out rather than make them equal citizens, why israel is so adament about recruiting new settlers, or what they think of the right of return for palestinians (an internationally-recognized right) and you will be shocked how quickly the humanist appearcance switches to talks of demographic rates, arabization, and maintaining ethnic purity.
so no, i dont find this kind of stuff very insightful. because at best youll find people who will condemn the nakba or maybe even condemn the current genocide but who would be entirely resistant to rectifying them and at worst a well-spoken ethnic supremacist who cries crocodile tears as they continue to benefit from the erasure and cleansing of palestine

posted 10 months ago
#11 gotten lft in Recruitment (looking for team)

loved playing with gotten

posted 10 months ago
#3 logs.tf down in TF2 General Discussion

it's been extremely spotty lately even requiring reloads outside of peak hours

posted 10 months ago
#142 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
Mong Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this).

native americans did violently resist US settlers & expansion and it was justified

posted 10 months ago
#37 what does pocket soldier DO? in TF2 General Discussion
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bullish: pre-xbow heals nostalgia, granary nostalgia, calling it "viaduct",

just bought a few shares of "teams today are too scared to run kritz"
pretty unknown stock but i could see it skyrocketing once people catch on

posted 10 months ago
#74 Palestinian Genocide in World Events

tag yourself, im antisemitic terrorist sympathiser

posted 10 months ago
#63 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
Chris_ I simply wish to know why people are so quick to make linear narratives and comparisons between Ukraine and Russia and Israel and Palestine

i actually agree that russia/ukraine doesnt really make for a good parallel to israel/palestine. there are far more apt examples of settler colonialism such as the aforementioned apartheid south africa, the jacksonian united states & the trail of tears, or nazi germany's lebensraum

Chris_Care to give me your take on how Hamas or the PLO benefits in any way the Palestinian people or cares about the civilians in Gaza?

this ones easy, theyre the only real resistance against israel. if you dont like that, and there is plenty not to like about hamas, then take it up with the israeli government for not only assassinating leaders and destroying more secular resistance movements, but actually supporting hamas exactly so that people like you can look at the flawed resistance as a reason to continue oppression

posted 10 months ago
#59 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
Chris_

You have this idea that there is loss on both sides, that you know of people that both died defending their homeland and who died serving in the idf, and as a result both sides are suffering and a peace needs to meet in the middle. this is no more nuanced an idea than claiming that apartheid south africa is actually "too complex" because both boers and indigenous south africans suffered death, and what really needs to happen is for south africa to "free" the bantustans from anc terrorism. otherwise the very real genocide of white south africans would happen, unlike the "buzzword" genocide of indigenous south africans
Its easy to understand how ridiculous this sounds because of the benefit of hindsight, but the power dynamics in israel are nearly the same, as theyre both settler-colonial apartheid states. So why is it so difficult now?

posted 10 months ago
#13 Palestinian Genocide in World Events
aieraOnly the most recent genocide matters though as per usual because discourse is really good!

are you implying that people should care equally about the arab conquests of the 7th fucking century as they should an ongoing ethnic cleansing? do i even need to explain why one of these warrants protests, words, and actions and the other maybe not so much?

posted 10 months ago
#10 Palestinian Genocide in World Events

unironic stonetoss comics 9 posts in

posted 10 months ago
#2 Former Valve writer Chet Faliszek - "I miss TF2" in TF2 General Discussion

tf2 is a strong indictment of valves "go wherever you want" structure because its still clinging to semi-relevancy despite being nearly unplayable unless you know where to go but a shitty codebase, annoying community, and age just doesnt give it the clout of more cutting edge stuff
im not sure what other companies could have made tf2 but i definitely know which one would suspend it in a shitty limbo half-death because they dont want to just assign devs to their massively successful ip

posted 10 months ago
#2 RGL S14 Invite Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion

https://i.imgur.com/DvkkojR.png

things really do move fast in the off season, we were all waiting to see what b4nny put together with so many people leaving froyo and i gotta say he delivered

posted 10 months ago
#23 long rgl seasons - please fix in TF2 General Discussion
arcadia

would be nice to have a survey format thats a little wider than just having played enough matches on the past season because it kind of just filters out many of the people who were too busy to play the status quo season format or just people that didnt pay that still have important feedback there
makes sense to only let the players answer the specific questions that only pertain to their experience in that season but for more general "should rgl do x" stuff many more people could have some input

also while im here i just have to bring up the projectile blocked by players plugin because to my understanding 6s and highlander players were polled together? i see no reason why the plugin should be standard between the formats when there seems to be a pretty big divide in what each community wants for themselves

posted 10 months ago
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