you need to find a new job man you are not built for that shit

honk mimimimi

just finished learning esperanto. i already knew a bit of spanish so it wasn’t too hard to learn a similar language. i think i’ll stick to english though, since thats what most people speak online and in movies and stuff. have a good day everyone :)

if your goal was to communicate with other players why did u learn a language only spoken by one guy you’ve met so far

the ugc got ddossed, please direct all attention to the discord. the site will be fixed eventually.

praise the craftsmen, not the hammer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test

u need to practice at least intellectually understanding how human beings tend to interact in real life scenarios before u dedicate more of your time to studying rules and structures of various things. everything you say on here is either willfully ignorant, hyperfocused on an irrelevant technicality, or ignoring the human component of interpersonal/cultural interactions and it makes it completely pointless to say anything to u

ask yourself what u want out of a conversation like this. if u want to prove a point, then u need to consider the topic from a broader perspective than that of a purely logical robot. if u want to have stimulating discussion then u need to be less of an obstinate and irritating person to discuss things with

yes u can u literally just did

guarantee u i could say those more succinctly if u told me what theyre trying to communicate

please be serious dogg

your insistence on a blanket, robotic rejection of any social, cultural, human impact on the use and structures of things like language (perhaps the purest cultural artifact) is an immense blind spot in your understanding of almost everything you talk about

yes, in certain ways this is common, and they are completely intelligible without being fully familiar with usage of things like contractions and common idiomatic shortenings etc. in some ways many also tend to speak with imprecise patterns (missing determiners, odd word ordering, etc) and are still usually very intelligible. neither end of this is a problem

you did, and you were. again, people understood what you meant, they were making fun of you because you were being annoying

completely missing the basic point here. people dont formally diagram sentences in their head before they process the information. "spy scout" is literally not a sentence or even really a sentence fragment. its two nouns, communicated together, with an obvious meaning implied by their combination. if you say it, any tf2 player who knows the words "spy" and "scout" will know what you mean

well you appear to have expressed all of those comms using rudimentary english in ways that can be easily understood. maybe put a few more hours in and youll find a better example tho

incredible to misinterpret someones point that wildly and then still not even remotely counter the misinterpreted version of the point

im glad we all already speak english so we can have this discussion

im going to go insane if i have to argue to u any more that english is orders of magnitude more prevalent both as a native and 2nd language

no it doesnt man. it has a small community of hobbyist families who taught their kids the language alongside their actual local native language that they all speak in day to day public life

please read before u reply. i said its more demanding to request that ~600m+ ppl learn a language nobody speaks than to request that a much smaller group of ppl learn a language that most ppl around them speak

so u genuinely believe that if i ordered at a restaurant, or asked for directions, or talked about a football match, anywhere in europe, i would have better success in communication speaking esperanto than in english, on average. just want to make the question very clear here

i agree, but that applies for any language. spanish has a high success rate because you actually can be immersed with it

cos theres no reason to be bilingual at all for most americans? really not sure what yr getting at

people made fun of u for saying that because it was funny, not because they couldnt infer what u meant. u being able to completely make up a word that makes rough sense to most ppl is actually a great example of elasticity. either way im talking about the grammar not the vocab so idc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSzfB64p5TM&t=19s

this is the most anglocentric thing either of us have said

when your statistics are to be trusted completely:

https://i.imgur.com/GXdDdY4.png

i would be very sure this skews towards the lower end since it exists almost purely has a hobbyist language and has 0 native speaking cultures of any size

who are u quoting here?

what language would u recommend i learn if i want to go traveling around europe

sounds like u didnt practice very much. several ppl from my work who work with native spanish speakers talk to them in spanish purely from HS level education + practice/immersion

theres a lot of ppl in america who speak spanish as a 2nd language and almost none who speak esperanto

0% chance im discussing cross-cultural influence in europe with u but this is irrelevant and also not solved by esperanto

yes it does

unbelievable to me that a french person would complain about something foreign. this just made things serious

i guess i can be the one to take u seriously and present the impossibly obvious answers

main problem is that about half of non-slav europe (250m+) already speaks english conversationally, and the ratio is certainly much higher in younger international online communities. esperanto has probably fewer than 100,000 fluent speakers globally, with many of those in SEA. asking what, 10-20% at most of tf2 euros to learn conversational english is less demanding than asking 99.9% of tf2 euros to learn esperanto

also keep in mind youd be asking those 99.9% to learn a new language purely to comm in tf2. they would still want to learn english to be able to communicate with foreigners in the real world. even if people wanted to move to an easier-to-learn, more structured language then spanish would be a much more useful alternative

english also actually works really well as an auxiliary language, at least for europe, mostly due to the elasticity of its grammar, but also from broad similarities to germanic structure and romance vocabulary. esperanto is probably also fine, but if you look empathetically at the real world usefulness of language, its only real advantage is ease of learning. if you wanted to talk about a global auxiliary language then its worth discussing constructed languages but thats not rly relevant in tf2

should also be noted that 95% of the problems ive seen about language barrier in euro gaming come from slavs (who have a different standard language) playing on euro servers, and most of the rest are about french people refusing to learn english