@812 -- Sorry bud, but you are not convincing me of anything. Anything I argue, I've already made up my mind on. Your views, opinions, and sources are meaningless to me, especially when they are government sources. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jzBWmpzifc
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eeei wanna fake my own death and move away and shit how do i start
Threaten to testify against Hillary Clinton, and a hit man will make you go off-grid pretty quickly.
TERRYCREWSLet's be real here if Trump were president he'd do fuck all and make Pence do all the foreign and domestic stuff (which means everything). And when Pence is one of the most hated governors in recent history for good reason, and says he wants to be like Cheney, warning signs should be hitting you in the face pretty hard right around now that he is probably a bigger issue than the big orange
Why would Trump make pence do everything, that doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. Trump does 3-4 rally's per day. While Hillary does 1 a day if even that. He is working his ass off, why would he not do the same in the white house?
46% approval rating = most hated governors in recent history? Obama has had numbers around there, I guess he is one of the most hated presidents.
Hillary Supporter?
AvastIt's pointless to argue with this guy over facts, besides we don't need to worry about the earth getting too warm because ocean acidification will kill the oceans and most of the pacific nations first as coral reefs and the base of marine food chains die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPW_P7GVB8
Did you watch that?
remedyhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/trump-booted-a-black-man-from-his-rally-and-called-him-a-thug-turns-out-he-is-a-supporter/
Oh my gosh rofl. So his crowd started pointing this guy out, because the guy is pushing his way to the front near Trump to give him a note. They believe he is behaving like a protester and alert Trump that he is a protester and he kicks him out. "He later said it was “all fine” and that he still plans on voting for Trump." It was a mistake largely by his supporters that seemed to indicate he was a protester.
I'm not sure how much of the project veritas video's you've seen but its confirmed that they have multiple people assigned to every single Trump rally to protest and try to stir up violence. This has happened so much, that of course people are going to be occasionally flagged as protesters by the crowd and or Trump.
Tino_TBH I have better thing to do then argue with people on the internet because how fucked the states is. ESPECIALLY considering that I am a neutral 3rd party as I don't even live there and could care less about who gets in power. So saying that the media has brainwashed me when I don't even watch it or give a shit because its retarded as fuck is totally false. Try harder please. Clinton is questionable at best and Trump is more worthless then Scientology so have fun. Ill sit here and laugh at the idiots.
LOL thats fine. Tell me more about how you came to the conclusion that he is a racist, sexist, and has sexually assaulted people if it wasn't from mainstream news sources. Or did you one day have a vision of it in your head? You obviously watched some media in order to have the strong opinions that you shared above. But its ok, the majority of the media is in collusion with Clinton, so I can see how you may have been misguided.
Tino_I challenge you to come up with reasons as to why Trump is better, not policies or shit like gun control. What has Trump done to prove he is not fuckign retarded and he can actually run a country? Going bankrupt multiple times, all of the racist, sexist and bigoted shit he has said and the sexual assault that was "just talk" really doesn't show much. I said Clinton is bad, she has done shady shit, that is not news. What has Trump done? Because Clinton has a list of shit that she has done as a public defender and as someone on the world stage 10000x longer then those 15 points. 10 of which hold almost no value because many many people have done the same.
What is your primary news source, because they are brainwashing you.
Going bakrupt multiple times is actually something Trump brags about. It's not a dumb thing that he did, he took advantage of US bankruptcy laws in order to forgive debt of some of his companies in the past. He didn't personally go bankrupt. The US is heavily in debt, someone with knowledge of how to solve problems like that might be a good thing.
Racist things, again all taken out of context, please give me some examples, I've heard them all. Building a wall racist? Temporary ban on Muslims racist? Extreme vetting of Syrian refugees is that racist?
Sexist. How can you call a man that literally OVER HALF of the executives in his company are women. But I bet you didn't know that, because your "research" involves listening to the mainstream news.
Sexual Assault. Again more left wing media lies. That whole locker room talk thing, I don't know if you actually listened to the actual audio yourself but "They let you do it" does not imply that he forced them to do some sexual act against their will. If I hold out my hand to a famous person and they shake my hand and I later say "so and so let me shake their hand" does that imply I forced them and that it was against their will? The other women coming forward are liars and they've been debunked. Bill is the real rapist here. $800,000 settlement in one rape, expelled from oxford university for raping a girl etc.
I don't need to give you a list. But what I will say is Trump actually cares about the country, he's tired of seeing us get ripped off, tired of poor deals, tired of our police officers being disrespected, tired of our border patrol officers feeling like they can't do their job. He's tired of government corruption in politics "drain the swamp." Basically he wants to put America first and clean up the country.
rowpiecesdamn u guys got a lot of free time
Sometimes I do. I regularly research topics of interest to me, and a few years ago it was global warming/climate change. Spent quite a few weeks reading and watching videos and documentaries. The above video I linked hits the nail on the head.
remedy"and yes that is in fact true that the earth goes through cycles but the actual issue right now is that we are artificially increasing the warming rate by destroying the Ozone layer"
i dont think i should respond anymore its like talking to someone who doesnt think dinosaurs existed
Watch the video from the geologist speaking to parliament please.
BBiA_duchessdollarlayerBBiA_duchessThat feeling when you're so stupid you don't understand the massive impact 0.6 C makes on the environment
Tell me more. The grapes in parts of Europe loved the warmer weather. The grave diggers in Greenland had it easier too without having to dig through solid permafrost. And we're talking likely a 5-10C increase in temperature vs today, not 0.6C.
Did he actually just say grapes. There are more organisms in the world that grapes and grave diggers in greenland lmfao how dumb can someone possibly be.
????? If there is no temperature data from hundreds of years ago, then we have to use other data points such as crops like grapes and olives and where they were grown. If today in some of those areas its too cold to grow these crops, we can logically assume it was warmer back then.
fahrenheitlocal tf2 forum goer $layer knows more about climate change than climate scientists, scientists respond "how could we be so naive"
BBiA_duchessThat feeling when you're so stupid you don't understand the massive impact 0.6 C makes on the environment
Tell me more. The grapes in parts of Europe loved the warmer weather. The grave diggers in Greenland had it easier too without having to dig through solid permafrost. And we're talking likely a 5-10C increase in temperature vs today, not 0.6C.
Tino_the want to ban an entire religion from the country, the want to build a fuckign wall, yet what Clinton does in the international scene somehow matters to them? The fuck is that mental disconnect holy shit.
Really, Trump supporters want to ban en entire religion from the country. That is news to me. Is that something you picked up on through a left wing news station? To be clear, Trump initially (after several terrorist attacks) proposed a temporary ban on Muslim Immigration into the US, until the government could figure out how to vet people and differentiate the extremists from the moderates. Later on he scaled down his approach, but still wants extreme vetting for people trying to enter the country from nations with ties to Terrorism. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Tino_Yes Clinton may be a poor choice as someone to lead the US when you look at all the past leaders of the country. But Trump is 100% by far The. Worst. Candidate. To. Ever. Run. And the fact that people cant see that just shows how fucked the US is as a country.
I'd really like to hear your reasons as to why Trump is so bad. Here I'll list some for why Hillary is by far the worst and most corrupt candidate to ever run:
1) Pay to play corruption
2) Bribes from foreign governments
3) Lying under oath to Congress (a felony)
4) Lying to the FBI
5) Gross negligence of classified material (a felony)
6) 100's of mysterious deaths that surround the Clintons. Far to many to be brushed off as a conspiracy theory.
7) Covering up and threatening Bill Clinton's rape victims.
8) Selling arms to terrorists
9) Lying under oath to congress and to the famalies about Lybia, when her direct actions caused the deaths of multiple people.
10) Later laughing about the deaths of these people.
11) Defending someone in court that she knew was a rapist that brutally raped a 13 year old girl to the point that doctors said she will likely never reproduce. Getting this rapist off without punishment and laughing and joking and bragging about it years later.
12) Collusion with the DOJ
13) Collusion with the media
14) Illegal election activities and rigging against Bernie and Trump, many of them disclosed in the wikileaks podesta emails and in the project veritas videos.
I'm not sure if you are naive, stupid, or only listen to the mainstream media, but please open up your mind and do research before you make such an outrageous statement that Trump is worse than Hillary.
remedydid i say pollution was good or something
Did I say you did?
remedydollarlayerthis is some jill stein level science knowledge i think this current argument is overeeeIm not going to respond to your posts anymore if you think climate change isnt real, because youre honestly too stupid for words to be useful
Sry :(
Climate change is real, the climate changes by itself and has for thousands of years which is what I stated. What the hell do you think ice ages were? Not climate change?
and yes that is in fact true that the earth goes through cycles but the actual issue right now is that we are artificially increasing the warming rate by destroying the Ozone layer
So are you concerned by 0.6C increase in temperature in 150 years? I'm more concerned by real issues like pollution of our water, our air and mass deforestation, and trash in the sea.
eeeIm not going to respond to your posts anymore if you think climate change isnt real, because youre honestly too stupid for words to be useful
Sry :(
Climate change is real, the climate changes by itself and has for thousands of years which is what I stated. What the hell do you think ice ages were? Not climate change?
The IPCC (intergovernmental panel on climate change) has stated that since 1861 global temperatures have increased 0.6C on average. OMG! I'd love to see the data on the global temperature during the transition phase between an ice age and not an ice age. I sure as hell believe it would be a lot more than 0.6C per 150 years.
BBiA_duchesshttp://i.imgur.com/USA6q1F.jpg
A lot of people here need to take a good hard look at this. Trump thinks we don't need vaccinations, and that states can decide whether or not gay people can get married. Those tow things by themselves are so retarded that I can't believe people would ever consider him. He also ignores climate change.
He is against forced vaccinations, so am I. If you've actually done a few hours of research and read about them, you might be against them as well.
Climate change (previously called global warming) is mostly a lie. Man burning fossil fuels does create Co2 which does in turn increase the temperature of the earth, but it is so small (if you light a candle in your house it increases the temperature slightly). The much bigger problem is not OMG Co2 emissions are going to destroy the planet! The problem is pollution of our air and our water in some places. It is a very big problem in large cities and in quite a few places in China for example.
Climate Scientists look at the last 100-200 years of temperature data and think the world is going to overheat, but they basically ignore history. They ignore very basic things like places in Europe that a few hundred years ago used to grow grapes for wine production, and now its too cold today. What about ice ages?
A few hundred years ago Greenland was said to be a very nice place with a great climate. Many years later they found deep graves of people burred in solid permafrost. No way would they have dug down through solid permafrost to bury a body. It would have been near impossible to do so. There was no permafrost.
The earth goes through big climate cycles every few hundred years, don't freak out about it, focus on the real issues like pollution.
If politicians were really afraid of OMG Co2 emissions are destroying the planet, they'd probably start by regulating not car emissions but the top 10 largest container ships in the world which create much more co2 and other toxic emissions than all the cars in the world combined. Hmm I dont know, maybe something like powering them with nuclear reactors, something the US navy has had success and no accidents with in the last 50 years might be a good option...
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Hillary can support gay marriage all she want's, but lets not forget that she accepts money from foreign countries that put Gay's to death just for being gay, and some of these same countries allow men to beat women. She doesn't give a damn about them, and will do anything she can to get elected.
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Anyone thinking of supporting Hillary should really take a look at the top100 most damaging wikleaks so far: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
remedyi cant wait to see which one of you changes the other person's mind before the final day to vote!!!
I've already voted.
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eeeif you weigh for GDP and effective tax rates the US's tax rate is about 20% higher than most other first world countries according to the world bank, with ~27.9% vs ~24.2%. For the majority of businesses saving ~3% of your gross that was going to taxes will not be weighed out by going overseas. You can tell this because you'll notice most businesses that aren't international conglomerates have stayed in the US
> Lower corporate taxes. Lower cost of employment. Far less red tape and regulations. Close by supply chains for just about anything. Lower factory set-up cost. etc etc etc.
Slashing taxes is only going to fix one of those. Cost of employment is a factor of cost of living. I don't think you actually want to start slashing regulations, Supply chains aren't a significant issue for a global company when comparing the US and China since you'll still have to ship roughly equal amounts between the two regardless. Factory set-up cost is mostly because of looser labor laws and lower cost of living. You haven't explained how lowering the tax rate will impact any of these. Taxes are a lesser expense than cost of manufacture, and you'll never have the US beating China
> Lower corporate taxes, higher import taxes, exit taxes are a pretty darn good deterrent to prevent companies from leaving.
It also makes it harder for international companies to compete in the US which makes the US a weaker economy in the global market. Expanding manufacturing artificially for 20 years in the US isn't going to save the economy
>I'd say he's doing pretty well for himself
Arguably. Much of his success seems based on scamming other companies and other less than ethical business practices. He hasn't demonstrated his actual business sense in any of his proposals.
remedyi cant wait to see which one of you changes the other person's mind before the final day to vote!!!
I don't have friends and im too scared to kill myself shitposting is my only hobby
So you don't think that slashing corporate taxes from say 39% to say 15%, plus adding an exit tax and increased import taxes will have an effect on companies leaving the US?
You do have to cut regulations to make the US more business friendly. If it takes a 3 year environmental study before a factory can be built in the US, do you think a company will go through with building the factory? It's that kind of bs that needs to stop.
"You haven't explained how lowering the tax rate will impact any of these." It's a pretty simple concept. Lower taxes = more people are hired and more goods/services are consumed. If my tax rate was 0%, you can be sure as hell I'd have that new car, top of the line phone, ultrabook etc. More money in my pocket is more money to spend or invest, same goes for companies. A pretty basic economic concept.
"Taxes are a lesser expense than cost of manufacture, and you'll never have the US beating China" There are certainly types of products and commodities that we can and we do beat China on. Take the Tesla battery gigafactory for example. If they play their cards right they should be able to crush every battery manufacturer in the world on price because they will literally be mining a bulk of the raw materials nearby and doing every step of battery assembly in house (no middle men).
It also makes it harder for international companies to compete in the US which makes the US a weaker economy in the global market. Expanding manufacturing artificially for 20 years in the US isn't going to save the economy
What on earth are you saying. The whole point in increasing import taxes is to increase US domestic consumption of locally produced goods and increase the GDP, rather than importing and increasing the GDP of another country. Increasing domestic production will also in turn increase the scale of production, decreasing costs, and increase supply chains and make the US more competitive on global markets.
I operate a US-based LLC. The majority of the products I sell are imported. I'd love to be able to buy more from the US, but 90% of what I buy and sell on a daily basis isn't even manufactured in this country at all regardless of price. So importing is the only option.
Arguably. Much of his success seems based on scamming other companies and other less than ethical business practices. He hasn't demonstrated his actual business sense in any of his proposals.
LOL did you watch the debates? Have you watched his speeches at his events. You are clueless.
"Scamming other companies." I fear that your sources are mainstream media such as the Clinton News Network.
Are you a supporter of crooked Hillary, or are you one of those 3rd party/not going to vote kind of people?
eee> The ultimate reality is companies are leaving the country because they are being taxed too much and they feel they can make more money overseas
LOL. It's like you don't understand what "they feel like they can make more money overseas" means. Obviously taxes are not the only reason for why companies move overseas. The fact remains though that the United States has the 3rd highest corporate tax rate among 188 nations. The average US rate is 38.9%. Worldwide average is 22%. The tax rate is a significant factor. Which is one reason why so many companies keep trilions of dollars overseas.
Here, I'll go into more detail and elaborate as to what I meant by they can make more money overseas. Lower corporate taxes. Lower cost of employment. Far less red tape and regulations. Close by supply chains for just about anything. Lower factory set-up cost. etc etc etc.
If you couple high corporate taxes, high labor with low overseas labor and low import tax and lower overseas corporate tax, what sense does it make to operate a business in the US? Lower corporate taxes, higher import taxes, exit taxes are a pretty darn good deterrent to prevent companies from leaving.
eee>We need politicians that understand how businesses work and how they succeed
Trump isn't a particularly good businessman though? He's not bad but he's far from the best and not particularly nuanced with what he's shown
Given that he is at the top .0001% I'd say he's doing pretty well for himself. Has he made mistakes? Yes. Has he taken risks? Yes. Has he taken advantage of legal bankruptcy laws? Yes, several times.
Didn't he just open a hotel right next to the white house ahead of schedule and under budget? Not sure how familiar you are with real estate development but that kind of thing rarely happens. I'd say he's pretty good at business.