fygban ppl who knowingly play with cheaters...
also ban me when scouty gets banned for being scouty
the problem with this is the same problem of "intention" in the court of law. how do you prove someone KNEW that someone was cheating? unless you literally have video evidence of them saying "my name is X and i know for a fact that Y is cheating but i will continue to play with them", which, even then, could just be called off as being sarcastic or whatever.
i do agree that people playing with cheaters should be punished, but i think just outright wiping the entire team's record and revoking all pending medal/payment/etc is punishment enough, AGAIN, unless you somehow can prove without a doubt that these people are playing together knowing the other one is cheating. The easiest way to get suspicious of a player is if you're fighting against them, there could have been cheaters on my teams in the past that I never knew about because I never bothered to sit there for hours on end analyzing their demos tick by tick... but if you're fighting against someone that you're pretty certain is cheating, you're way more likely to just start analyzing the fuck out of everything they do, sending demos to the anticheat team with ticks showing when they cheated, what types of cheats you suspect them of using, extraneous evidence like something they may have said on discord regarding cheating, or them definitively cheating in another game, etc....
imo, if you get caught cheating and are banned for it (like, there is proof BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that you are cheating, IE aimbotting, wallhacking, NOSPREAD and other really easy to detect cheats, or if a player is just straight up spinbotting in playoffs or something... etc etc you get the point) you should just be permanently banned from rgl. rgl should go as far as to tell other leagues about the bans and convince them to ban these players too. We can talk about the AC team and how rgl doesn't have enough funding and all of these people are basically volunteering w/e all we want, but i think it is beyond evident at this point that there are just not enough people being banned despite cheating, and most of the people that seem to get banned need to be witch hunted to death before anything even happens to them -- entire divisions boycott because of how bad some of the cheating becomes. To that end, if you are cheating in tf2 so egregiously that actions are actually taken against you to prevent you from cheating any further, you should never be allowed to play the game competitively again. I don't care if player numbers are down or if doing this is too controversial or whatever... cheaters are fucking foul and they shouldn't be allowed in any game, anywhere. It's so, SO weird to me that people can get BANNED FOR CHEATING and be back playing the game in a few years. YOU CHEATED!!!!! you have no moral compass anymore, you are not a good person. who the fuck is going to trust you? don't worry coach i may have crippled my opponents and shot their knees out before our big football game, but that was like a year or two ago so that doesn't really apply anymore and i definitely won't do it again! Trust me! fuck you
sorry if this is rambly i'm drunk