"right, so my point that ESEA TF2 servers suck stands"

ok, but that's not the point :\
paying for another thing to play video games on is certainly going to drive people away. If it was on ESEA, or had a connection to ESEA monetarily, people might be less apprehensive about paying, imo

"1. off-client scrim > on-client pug. pugs are for fun not really practice
2. not everyone plays matches on ESEA"
1. ok, if you're not learning anything when you're playing pugs, you're either WAY better than me at this game, or really dumb, regardless, this isnt a thing for TF2 because tf2 pub/lobby/match servers are all the same, compared to CS where 64/128 tick thng
2. ok

"which is why i'm saying stop telling people not to play ALs"

im not telling people not to play? I'm telling them that its stupid, and that it really looks like the devs aren't really thinking it through imo

"saying everyone knows eachother on TF2C is laughably untrue"

I've got ~300 lobbies, and I know most of the big TF2c Players at this point. NA 6s lobbies might have 500 players in total over a week, its not hard to learn the 30 or so good ones; the ones you'd pick in a pug for example :\

"literally 1 dollar and 12 cents. even if you're fucking 12 years old you should be able to pay $1 a month"

its not the cost :( its just silly that there's a paywall on something that should probably be free. All it does is exclude 14 year olds w/o credit cards

"you're saying this project will fail due to lack of support but you're also telling people to not support it. like i said, if you don't want to play these, just don't play. no reason to be so publicly negative and critical of something that doesn't affect you or anyone else negatively in any way"

no reason to vehemently defend something if its so good. If the system is flawless and im wrong, then all these posts are for nothing ":

why would u go to fucking red lobster when u literally live on an island

wtf dude

local seafood is the best part of florida :\\\\\\\

While yeah, I agree 100% that pugme isnt the future, I dont think that ALs are either. They don't seem to scale too well imo, as well as not having a particularly well explained system of balancing and like if you're trying to scale up the system, limiting it to a certain skillset isn't useful. It really should be all players are always being judged, but only get matched up in ranked lobbies, and leave normal lobbies as they are.

im being pessimistic af obv and i really am sorry but I just dont like this system and I really dont like how every time i say it doesnt work well imo people get super defensive over smthn :\\\

ESEA pugs work lol

idk if ur retarded or what (probably lol (since u cant read at aLLL lmaoooo))

ESEA is super fucking popular in CS for a reason, but those reasons aren't applicable to TF2. People pay for ESEA in CS for those reasons, but why would anyone pay for something when there's a free alternative that is better?

"ESEA also has the disadvantage of being the same client that matches are played on"

ur retarded if you dont understand how that isn't a disad for a service tbh. Like no one uses ESEA pugs for TF2 because of it because ESEA tf2 servers suck, but CS ESEA servers are fine and being able to practice how you play your matches is a good thing tbh.

"with actual ranking features "

a ranking system is super pointless if not enough people are ranked though. If there's only 100 American HL players, there's gonna be MAYBE 3 of them who want to play engineer, and like what's the point of ranking 3 people? What's the point of a ranking system that doesn't have enough players to actually set up games in a ranked way? Like im probably a fucking retard or smthn but I really dont understand how or why you'd need a ranking system for the tf2c community when everyone who plays there knows each other AND even if you managed to rank them, there's not enough concurrent players to manage to get a good MM system working?

The reasons a paid service like this works for CSGO are

1.) Better servers than the alternative
2.) Better Anticheat
3.) Better players

but like none of those apply to this service, so why would anyone pay for it?

(im arguing so 6 months from now when ALs are empty I can say I told u so )

i didnt know analyzing the system meant i was stagnating the game lol

sorry everyone

(im not actually sorry)

esea pugs work for several reasons, namely a large community and a spectacular anticheat. Neither of which are possessed by TF2c afaik. ESEA also has the advantage of being the same client that all matches are played on :\

Instead of saying it'll build the community and calling people negative for asking how, try explaining how this will actually be better than the alternative ????

i mean

looking at my stats

you'd see that i do well in every tf2c i play

to the point where I'd be the kind of person who'd be a part of the AL system easily

as some one eligible for that system, I don't see the reason for it to exist. I made several nerd essays on the tf2c forums explaining why its not something that's likely to appeal to high level players, and how trying to skill balance through math a system of ~70 players isn't a good idea either, but they all got shut down by saying im a 6s elitist or on a silver HL team, w/o anyone actually addressing why
1.) this needs to exist
2.) how its better than pug.me/pickup

How many people are soloplaying lobbies? Me and my friends rarely do, so a team balance system would discourage us. Afaik, most open players are similar, even in how they play HL lobbies. Even UGC 6s and presumably HL players (i dont know any of them since I haven't played HL in a year but sorry) often play w/ their friends. They wouldn't be interested in ALs because of this presumably.

How many people would be willing to soloq every single lobby? How many would be willing to pay to soloq?

idk maybe im an asshole but I dont see the appeal :\

alright, so just gonna do a quick pros cons as I see them for pug.me

+free
+better players
+site doesn't run like shit

-good players
-being shit means you might not get to play
-site is ugly

as far as i can see, there's no real reason to play ALs if you're interested in getting better :\
like if they're captain based, the best players are always going to get picked anyway, if they are algorithmic or whatev, then they'll run into problems of player size OR player class selection (200 people across 3 continents isn't enough to make an MM system that works)

there's no guarantee that ALs are balanced either? Like the biggest problem with balancing a game like Tf2 is the small community size meaning if there's only 2 engineers, it doesnt matter if one is better than the other :\

i asked a month ago why I'd want to play this instead of tf2pug.me and I never got a response

someone please help explain?

el oh el

didtnt u cum on someone's daughter's picutre?

the one i skipped and played tf2 in

i didnt know that not wanting a spastic screaming at my friends meant i had emotional problems

sorry

hmu if u need a soldier/whatever to finish the season i guess

he's cute tbh top tier internet bf (not gay)