rightjustify is an up and comer

do 15 year old butts really look that different from 18 year old butts

joke: barfprinter

normal: jukebox

mason got cut week 2 does that really count

squid got 4th on AG

indust played on HRG before mixup

so that's 5:5 discounting top 4

but tbh the 4th best team in invite has always been completely outclassed besides S11 quantic so i think you can still be an up and comer after taking 4th

is that really so? how many up and comers were on mixup that actually made it? squid and kind of lansky? (he was cut after the season for being shit iirc), while banny teams have had clockwork yz rr lansky (actually good version) indust xalox tagg shrugger muma freestate paddie...

i agree, but these tests can provide benchmarks that encourage people who experience symptoms of depression to schedule an appointment with a therapist

also im pretty sure elliot made this thread with faux post-post irony to cover up that he's a a lonely, depressed, attention-seeking nerd, because if he wasn't, he would be doing something besides shitposting

bold team names and player names

depressed people can still spread happiness

im pretty sure its a requirement to do stand-up comedy

my theory is that every shitposter is a lonely, depressed, attention-seeking nerd or they would spend their time doing literally anything else

depression has varying levels, its not a no, i am happy, or yes, i think about hanging myself every day

try taking a test https://www.psycom.net/depression-test/

soldier movement is mostly like every non-scout classes movement

surf rockets

walk away from where projectiles are going.

put yourself into the mind of your opponent and envision where he expects you to go, then don't go there

pulling out escape plan for a second and jumping to preserve your speed is a good trick to get an extra boost at the cost of a slower reload

spam null movement script and don't jump vs hitscan

don't always walk directly towards health kits

also practice 11 damage rocket jumps and using rockets to prevent fall damage

try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNRq3n4Ztug&ab_channel=EVLTV

we dropped the first half 0-3 in a 5v6 and then 5-4'd

https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3553470

have you never heard of koth

Vanguard is way, way too big. It's too big for 6s and too big for Highlander.

It's also quite possibly the best 12v12 5CP pub map in the game due to that size, large amount of health kits and flanks, and multiple angles to kill sentries and flank even in a 24 player clusterfuck.

But I am not sure the issues with Vanguard can be fixed because they are inherent to the map's design.

I'm not a mapper, but I've noticed that 6s maps follow certain patterns. The main 6s maps have a large focus on vertical geometry that promotes dynamic play. Vanguard tries to do this on its mid with the central wooden plank, but because the map is so wide, the side routes are safer and easier to get to, and the plank is so exposed, the center plank becomes literally useless. It also tries to do this on 2nd with the useless tower and on last, but all combat on last is a clusterfuck on the boring ground floor because the angles are awkward for shooting down and the cap time is so fast. Interesting 6s points like Viaduct mid and Process 2nd offer high ground that can be used tactically (double jumping onto rock, jumping onto the spire) rather than only being able to be used strategically (pushing Vanguard last from top right), which creates interesting options for fights, and good high ground is often in a risky position rather than a safe position, which forces teams and players to evaluate risk/reward rather than always walking up top left or right on Vanguard middle.

That's the second thing. Vanguard middle is a depression - the center cap point is low ground. This heavily promotes passive play and favors defenders. Pressuring the cap is a huge commitment so nobody bothers. Teams can respawn and take high ground and spam down very easily. Most 6s maps are hills - Badlands, Metalworks, Viaduct, Snakewater, and kind of Gullywash (it's not really a hill but the center is high ground) - once you force the defending team off the middle point, they're on disadvantageous ground and can't contest anymore, and must leave, Uber, or die. Granary and Product are the only two maps that allow Snipers easy access to prime real estate high ground, but Granary catwalk sightline is negated by the ability to splash the wall and kind of lessened by the sightine blockers of the crates (also Granary is a shit map) while Product is small enough that you can just jump the Sniper or force him back by spamming walls, and the sightlines are either vulnerable or only cover certain entrances.

The third thing is that there are only 2.5-3 entrances between 2nd and mid on most 5cp maps. Badlands has choke, forward spawn, and Haunter as its .5 entrance. Gullywash has choke, big door, and dropdown as its .5. Sunshine has whole entrances, but due to its smaller size, its easier for the defending team to cover them all. It's really hard for a team pushing into 2nd or mid to cover all the entrances of Vanguard, even in Highlander, and the size and number of entrances makes unavoidable, luck-based backcaps and flanks open up because checking everywhere is so time-inefficient that you just have to hope they're not backcapping, because if you do spend the time checking they'll get spawns and you can't push mid anymore (which isnt' helped by the fact that the center of Vanguard mid is a deathtrap and the edges of it are easily accessible and safe).

The fourth thing is holy fuck the Sniper sightlines on 2nd and mid are bullshit. Vanguard 2nd has the Sniper play so far back that nothing can touch him outside of Spies while being able to shut down every entrance of lobby that matters. Vanguard mid is smaller, but the Sniper can see everything and has high ground which limits how much you can punish him.

tl;dr it seems like succesful 6s maps are, compared to vanguard, smaller, more vertical, have the centers of 2nd/mid on high ground instead of low ground, have 2.5-3 entrances between 2nd and mid, and either make sniper sightlines vulnerable or use cover to limit how much they can see at any given position.

I hope this helps in some way. I admire and appreciate all mappers for the extreme amounts of effort, persevering through daunting amounts of hate. Thank you for your service!

Also, I liked it better when you could splash through the wall on the bridge of Product, because fuck Snipers.