can dflame or someone just use all their alts for an actual decent purpose

Ill eventually get a PS4 too but I don't doubt that this game would come out on PC relatively soon after it came out on consoles. The consoles are basically standardized PCs

what the fuck kirby?

asian so he's a natural at video games

STREET HOOPS FOR LA...

vhalin is a jerk chair incident 2011 never forget

probably only did it cause he knows it's getting refunded

I know but $15 is not a lot of money. I'm not sure if ETF2L provides servers, but assuming not, $15 is only about the cost of a server per month which every other team would have to buy. ESEA is still relatively expensive compared to CEVO wjile offering little to no extra value.

It could have been the attacker's intention to have us play off client for whatever reason but it seems telling that the first private server we tried wasn't affected one time in the 2.5-3 hours that we played on it. Even if other servers are not completely immune, they can be harder to attack, no?

Alright, my bad for assuming. Still, it takes publicity away from TF.TV's twitch and brings it to an otherwise dormant channel which seems counterproductive to me which is why I didn't assume it was your choice.

The difference is that CEVO seems to (so far) be willing to change rules to better accommodate us. It also seems that Lange has A LOT of say when it comes to how CEVO TF2 is run. Contrast that with ESEA which is extremely rigid (the debacle with pure's team comes to mind) and shows no signs of changing its rigidity. Moreover Killing has basically no say about what goes on in ESEA TF2 besides which teams get into Invite. Pipher's already stated that he'll move teams up based on merit and I believe he has said that entry tournaments ETF2L style are possible.

You can't call someone's view ignorant and then go on spouting incorrect information for 5 minutes.

That's a good sample size. Have you ever needed Killing/Kalkin to do anything for you? I know multiple people that have had one or more admins tell them to essentially "deal with it"
Refunds are non-existent even for legitimate reasons.
St. Patrick is still banned.

You either live in Chicago/Dallas or have been incredibly lucky. Most people I have played with have had issues with ping and lag outs. One of my matches had to change servers because the server was so awful

You're either trolling me or have the worst memory of anyone I have encountered.
Open finals have been delayed by a day+ for 2 seasons straight
Your own teammate couldn't play a match because of client
IM finals were played off client because of client not being updated (CEVO client doesn't need to update every time TF2 is updated)
I know it was an anomaly but after the two week delay at the start of the season there was no compensation from ESEA for people who paid for premium right before their scheduled match time.

Budsquad was going to play in IM if it weren't for ESEA's moveup rules. It would be silly to assume it was the only reason but it is one of the big reasons.

Again, wtf? $21 for premium + $10 for the entry fee x 6 = 186 vs $15 x 6 which is only 90

That's not relevant to the point of my post which was about all the ways ESEA's hampering TF2's growth

Player's perspective:

• Poor customer service
  
• Inflexibility
  
• Laggy Servers
  
• Very limited amount of servers available
  
• Often has a non-functional client
  
• Terrible move-up rules that usually cause major sandbagging
  
• Expensive

Viewer's Perspective:

• Massive delays for online games due to non-functional client, lack of DDOS protection (Every ESEA server we tried for Open finals got DDoS'd but the first private server we used never went down or lagged.)
  
• TF.TV twitch isn't allowed to cast LAN
  
• Apathy towards TF2 even during their LAN stream

I'm fairly certain ETF2L has always had more players than ESEA because all most comp TF2 players want is a cheap league to have fun in with their friends and try to win along the way.

i think esea restricts tf2 from growing if anything

sounds okay guess it's not my thing

could esea just do invite and have a $4000 or whatever prize pool made up from the $60 league fees + crowdfunding?

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