PepziWhy would ypu blame them? Not all sunnites are terrorists man
and not all jews are zionists, but still the entire arab world and the diaspora in europe hates jews .
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PepziWhy would ypu blame them? Not all sunnites are terrorists man
and not all jews are zionists, but still the entire arab world and the diaspora in europe hates jews .
PepziWeshould know however that isis is doing these terrorist attacks only so that peole in western will blame the whole islam religion/culture for being responsible for these attacks. This way they want islamitic citizens of western countries to feel discriminated and when that happens it's more likely they will become extremists (not saying every muslim will though).
I think the best solution, or at least a good begin, is for the islamitic leaders in the western countries to state that they do not support these terrorist attacks and that they will try to keep the radicalisation in their communities to a minimum.
yea, don't blame whole islam, blame sunnites
I wish Pim Fortuyn was still alive
mustardoverlordThis is known as racial profiling, it is or should be illegal everywhere, and it will not have any affect on the ability of terrorist groups to commit atrocities, it will only hurt ordinary people.
Your government does it becuase it's effective: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/07/09/racial-profiling-reported-in-nsa-fbi-surveillance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_racial_profiling_in_the_United_States
Frank Cilluffo, former special assistant for Homeland Security under then-President George W. Bush, said "airports need to be 'profiling' based on behavior even though it's a 'dirty word.'"[11]
Mustard, do you know how dumb you sound with your delusional idealism, vs how things work in reality.
You're just like the people who go around, how everything should be free and "peace and love" while you are just an useful idiot who fell for subversion, the professionals who want to keep your country safe do it, not becuse they are racist, but becuase it works.
and if you don't think it does, how many coordinated terrorist attacks on USA soil are sucessfull since 9/11?
trashI should point out that, in this scenario, there has been no form of "islamic terrorism", under the legal definition, that involved as many deaths as the ecole polytechnique massacre in quebec.
again, the definition of terrorism is intentionally arbitrary, but for logical comparison they can absolutely be classified as ideological when they explicitly have a learned, harmful ideology, shared through others wanting to hold power, behind their killings
did you forgot about 9/11
MapleSpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
heh, some would give credit to the catholic solidarity movement in Poland, as one of the big dominos that led to the collaps of the USSR. Pope John Paul II did make imho the mistake of treating liberation theology, as marxist subversion. So that might give the impression. Also Italy was not a dictatorship 30 year ago hah, their dictatorship was secular and a lot in conflict with the catholic church (Like how Mussolini strong-armed the vatican in the current arrangment.)
DavidTheWinI never said religion brainwashes people, the society at large brainwashes people. The hatred towards Jews in Nazi Germany wasn't entirely borne of religion. I also didn't say that the religiously derived morals couldn't be used for positive things. I also gave an example of the same hatred fuelled by non-religious motives.
DavidTheWinSomething that was once considered morally right is now considered morally wrong. If we get our morals from God then since God presumably doesn't change his mind about what's morally right and wrong then something that was morally right once would always be morally right. If that's the case why do we now consider things that were morally right to be morally wrong?.
Doesnt this quote from you imply that you argue for moral subjectivism on the base that the religious laws don't change. Becuase I know that argument pretty well, it's usually followed by a quotation out of leviticus or Deuteronium, about holding slaves. One could argue, that how much they convinced themselves of acting morally right, they're wrong from the start.
But, as far as I know from the covenant, " Paul explains that Christians "are not under law, but under grace" (6:14) and that they "died to the law through the body of Christ" (7:4). He writes,
By dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. (7:6)
This is elaborated in 2 Corinthians 3, where Paul contrasts the administrations of the old and new covenants:
He [God] has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (verse 6)
So under the new covenant Christians serve in a "new way" — the way of the Spirit. The "old way" of the written code has been superseded. It has ended because the old covenant was a temporary system designed to act as a guardian for the nation Israel until the Messiah came (Galatians 3:19). Humanity’s relationship to God is no longer regulated by a written law code on tables of stone or in a book, as it was for ancient Israel. It is now based on faith in Jesus Christ (verses 22–24). "Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law" (verse 25).",
Paul’s conclusion concerning law is found in Romans 13:8–10:
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
that's how you get redemption in christianity, you have to love one another. Isn't that beautiful? No wonder it was so popular under proscecuted slaves from all corners of the Mediterranean. In fact, thats the main reason the Roman empire proscecuted Christians so much, after figures like Spartacus, romans were very wary of anything that unites the slaves, or would give them hope.
DavidTheWinThe difference is that people in general (the exceptions being abolitionists) didn't think that slavery was wrong. ...
And I don't see how I was "slandering" my country's history or how any of that is even relevant to me giving two (factually correct) examples of how people justified slavery and racism.
Well.. you go on about how religion brainwashes people, how poeple in the thirteen colonies were racist slaveholders, while the British empire abolished slavery, and was on the forefront of getting rid of the practice in the world, and they were fueled by religious convictions. for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Missionary_Society. of course of "the white mans burden" you can interpret a lot of things, but British culturel imperialism, is relatively benign, and if i'm not mistaken, it's England's ex-colonies who fared the most well after decolonisation. (except Rhodesia obviously)
I am very sad with the huge number of moral subjectivism, the golden rule is 2600 years old, and as valid as today.
Even in the worst of times, people develop empathy for their enemy, because morality is objective and universal, it's what defines humanity to live along it.
Scipio, when he looked upon the city as it was utterly perishing and in the last throes of its complete destruction, is said to have shed tears and wept openly for his enemies. After being wrapped in thought for long, and realizing that all cities, nations, and authorities must, like men, meet their doom; that this happened to Ilium, once a prosperous city, to the empires of Assyria, Media, and Persia, the greatest of their time, and to Macedonia itself, the brilliance of which was so recent, either deliberately or the verses escaping him, he said:
A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
And Priam and his people shall be slain.
And when Polybius speaking with freedom to him, for he was his teacher, asked him what he meant by the words, they say that without any attempt at concealment he named his own country, for which he feared when he reflected on the fate of all things human. Polybius actually heard him and recalls it in his history .
DavidTheWinsacDavidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened.
FYI I'm English
Exactly, England was really eager to support the south, as a divide and conquer tactic, but eventually aligned itself with the union, after the trent affair, because they were dependant on east coast grain, and becuase slavery, that was abolished by britain in the 1830's was seen as morally repugnant, and once the union secured the support of the European powers, or at least their neutrality, the confederacy was isolated. So as i said, read up on your own country's history before you slander it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyons%E2%80%93Seward_Treaty_of_1862
valkeriSo I think we can all agree that humans have morals and from those come moral laws. If there are moral laws there must be a moral lawgiver, whether that be society or a religious entity. The question I was asking was where do we get them from?
DavidTheWinSociety as a whole.I find the thinking that society gives us morals flawed. A few examples are since the beginning of America until the 1900's minorities were oppressed through slavery and denial of natural rights. Back then, no one thought that was wrong, society said, "Yes, these people are inferior and it is morally acceptable to have slaves or oppress these people." Another example would be that in the 1940's in Germany, it was morally acceptable, in German society, to kill six million Jews..
Valkeri: The sense of an enlightened approach and the critical method required that "If one cannot prove that a thing is, he may try to prove that it is not. If he fails to do neither (as often occurs), he may still ask whether it is in his interest to accept one or the other of the alternatives hypothetically, from the theoretical or the practical point of view. Hence the question no longer is as to whether perpetual peace is a real thing or not a real thing, or as to whether we may not be deceiving ourselves when we adopt the former alternative, but we must act on the supposition of its being real." The presupposition of God, soul, and freedom was then a practical concern, for "Morality, by itself, constitutes a system, but happiness does not, unless it is distributed in exact proportion to morality. This, however, is possible in an intelligible world only under a wise author and ruler. Reason compels us to admit such a ruler, together with life in such a world, which we must consider as future life, or else all moral laws are to be considered as idle dreams... ."
Kant
Davidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened. The american forefathers, were all inspired by the enlightment philosophers and there were abolitionists in the thirteen colonies, since always. In contrast, when Leopold II took a hold over congo, the "Force Publique" fought a local war with tribesmen, vs arab enslavers, who had a big hold in the region. That slavetrade, still goes on this very day. We chastise ourselves with our flaws, but in the eagerness of just showing how "empathic" you can be, you ignore history and reality. The local Western African warlords and kings, sold those conquered people willingly to the west, in fact, it was the base of their power. the ottoman empire had millions of slaves, just like the Mughals The USA should get over it's guilt compex over slavery to be honest, and not slander their own country like that.
The Two world wars, seeped all the strength out of Europe, and in the decolonization in the '50s and '60s, many mistakes were made by all sides, the cold war that was going on, created proxy war after proxy war. and this is all secular, but the generations growing up on the battle grounds of ruined nations, turn to religion. You think Al Nasser would like current Egypt? what if we never meddled with Iran in the first place? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran. I'm not sure up to this day, people realise the lasting effect, the devastation of the early stages of the cold war was to the world
It was a sad night last night.
One of the bigger and less "visible" problem with dealing with any with this, is that since the economic crisis of 2008, governments in Europe have been doing cuts and cuts to keep the debt increase lower, but it means in practice many of these services are undermanned and underfunded. From what I read earlier, in Belgium, we are dealing with 440 poeple who voluntarily left this country to go fight in Syria, and the cyber police unit, who is responsible for tracking what these people when they return back to Belgium and communicate online, is one woman in a part time job. My former boss'es husband works in online fraud, and i heard stories of how underfunded and the crappy offices they were settled in (one electric plug, for a room of a cyber unit of 12 people. Whether you think, that France and the west got this onto themselves for their meddling in Syria (Assad's comment on what happened is sad but true imho, and the interventions in Libya and Syria are a mistake, the Arab Spring leaves a very bitter aftermath for the affected citizens in their country, and the west. Maybe now is the time, for stability and the restoration of their nations border, if the world draws one front against the Jihadi's in Syria.), and I'm sure the ghost of Qaddafi is grimacing pretty hard on what the colonial powers are receiving, or that Europe is being invaded, by a cruel enemy, that will exploit every weakness in her defence, it doesn't matter, the one thing that matters now, is how to get life on track, and how to keep our society safe and free. The USA made some of it's biggest mistakes, by following a doctrine, with a blow-back that will keep regions of the worlds hostage for decades. At the time itself, I never understood why the USA went in undermanned after the Taliban in Afghanistan, and started in Iraq. If they sticked their boots in the ground and weren't under command of "manager" Rumsfeld, there would never been a tide of refugees from there that has been going to europe since 2003-4. Saddam Hussein was an authoritarian dictator, but so are his neighbours. Saudi-Arabia is atm involved with a campaign of occupation in bahrain, and a war in Yemen, to eradicate the shiites, and in the turmoil, IS has territory there as well under control. Saudi-Arabia, which has been supplying madrassas in the middle east and the Mediterranean with their Wahhabi teachings is the biggest supporter financially of IS but the west would never utter any demands to change what their citizens are doing to undermine secularism in the middle east, because the west and saudi arabia "need" each other.
So the people who think about active military intervention? It will only ruin france more, and it's not like any army in europe has been properly keeping up their defense budget, to be able to do the actions, the USA would do. It's exactly what ISIS wants, draw all the western powers into a bogmire, while the most radical elements in society engage in terrorising each other, while governments are tied up in conflicts, that don't strike at the heart of the enemy, and increase the potential recruiting pool for terrorists even more.
It's a very grey mess, and since we are free citizens with reason who carry the torch that the French lit, we will have to accept, that there are people out there, who stand against everything you are for, know your every weakness, and already lost too much, or have no other future, and they are willing to take the fight, into our streets.
For those who radicalise after being born and growing up here, and then blowing yourself up in some hellhole at 25-26, i'm just, so melancholic, I still haven't figured out how you can hate this little grey country, where the girls drive in skirts on their bike, and you have all the beer and cigs and music, and choices, all these choices everyone has in our society with some willpower, and you go get your self killed. Is life that shit, it's worth ending for any conflict? The only sacrifice i would do, is to protect myself or my people, but imagine, you are driving their with your truck, towards the gate of a military base, and in the last 30 meters, you pass by some civilian, who looks at you with innocence, going on about in their life, and you remind yourself to pull the detonator, but will you get into heaven)
this conflict smells the same as any conflict, young people being used as a tool by old men with scrupules and hate, looking to enrich them selves, promising redemption and salvation, while never being at the front yourself.
and it ends up in other young people at a concert, enjoying songs like "you better watch out girl, that boy is bad news" being slaughtered like pigs, and a country in mourning and shock. it's sad, in the world i wish we lived in, the terrorists, who went in, would go like "pretty good music" and put down their guns, and forget about such petty things like war. Sadly, in reality, that will never happen.
A lot of rambling, and i could go on and on, but it doesn't really matter anyway, rather enjoy myself with a beer and a spliff while we still can, and maybe relisten to the histories of the second punic war, and bless myself for being born in the present day.
down again, thx DDoS'ing faggot, why don't you tell us who you are, so the entire community can laugh at someone getting so upset at mentally challenged horsefuckers like Brightly and loveclop instead of mocking and destroying them in-game.
atiderewho the fuck are you
Your dad, sorry we didn't meet before, I've been buzy.
that Axio UGC thread is such a good example of someone digging his own grave and shitting all over it. Also, nice to see marisa is still being called a hacker 5 years later. It was fun playing random lobbies with her and other weebs and have two full time snipers and accusations flying around. P.S. also thx for the dick pics around the time Gotfrag hated you Marisa, I've been using them to send to Turkish kids who ask for my pic after I pretend to be a girl on valve server. Invokes great responses ( i lost the pastebin though :( ). And any doubts anyone would still have about her hacking, I saw her jump into tribes ascend and shit on everything as sniper on her first day of playing, how do you explain that??
Hello, sorry if you were offended by the fact i played backburner pyro on europing, and when i told you i'd switch to scout after the round end, you just didnt reply and then kicked me even when i offered to play scout. But oh well, better to tell the community we acted horribly. Protip if someone is running something retarded like that, you can just chip and deny with a scout like as you would vs a roaming soldier. I've played many 6s games over the years, so i can tell you might just focus on getting good, instead of denying an opponont and the five others to play after you made them wait 15 minutes. But anyways, good luck in your e-sportscareer and might you never find an opponent that does something you don't expect.