key difference here

Also, these scenarios you're providing of new players having difficulty learning csgo competitive are really, really miniscule in comparison to the problems that players face transitioning to 6s from tf2 pubs.

Yeah I don't agree with the pick/ban thing, but its got proper flow to the game on payload with the lowest amount of players to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2to9Pb0DOM I linked this video earlier, but here it is again.

The transition between pubs and competitive in overwatch is virtually nonexistant though. High level gameplay in any esport will differ greatly from low level play. I'm talking about the format though. Going from only playing dustbowl and thundermountain pubs to playing a 6s lobby on process is a completely jarring experience in comparison to playing a pub in overwatch to the competitive mode.

Your first paragraph actually supports my argument, the difference with TF2 is that the most played mode is Pubs, so we should be adapting the competitive mode to allow transitioning easier.

The argument about casual playing completely different to competitive csgo is just bullshit, of course there are some different mechanics, but do you really think that someone isn't going to play competitive csgo because you get more money for kills? Or that the bomb timer is different? Sure, there are going to be differences in where people play, but I bet that silvers' positioning being different than casual players really doesn't stop people playing competitive either.

ez upfrags to post that on a 6s forum

We already know that 12v12 with no class limits will never work competitively, this format is an attempt to create something that plays similarly, but is also competitively viable.

CSGO casual is like 10v10 isn't it? But because the games play so similarly, transitioning from casual to competitive is so much easier, even if there's less strategy and more random things in casual.

"most fun" is very subjective. Most players who play the game casually, or for fun, play pubs.

OW has shown that having a pub gamemode in the same format as your competitive gamemode means that players are far more interested in it from the get go.

Artificial and Organic are just buzzwords at this point. You're either implying that having a prizepool to spark interest in a new gamemode is a bad thing, or that a game is better because its older.

I feel that this video will explain my points better than I will: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2to9Pb0DOM

The tldw of the video is that quake will never take the spot for no1 shooter esport from csgo/overwatch because its not accessible, I feel that this conversation follows a lot of parallels.

Sorry, I was actually just saying that 7v7 is a format that could be logistically viable for matchmaking, not that it was moreso than 6s. I was comparing it to highlander. In the point I made, I was comparing 6s to prolander by stating how prolander is more similar in playstyle to pubs.

Valve have said that they are not willing to put forward a prize pool because they don't feel that the current competitive rulesets properly display what they feel the game is meant to be, and what many players enjoy. I think it was in the Valve News Network interview, though I can't remember.

Sorry I should rephrase my question, since you seem to have completely misunderstood me again.

Will people who enjoy playing pubs play something that they don't enjoy because its being streamed, or will a format that resembles pubs be successful?

The impression I get is he's trying to make a format that resembles the way that pubs play that also works competitively and logistically for matchmaking. Which funnily enough isn't what the 6s community wants. They want all public players to adapt to their format. I wonder what is more likely to succeed?

In highlander these things aren't banned, so I'd assume in a prolander setting they wouldn't be either. Allowing more classes to participate in a suicide wave will make the strategy involved in pushing first so boring. I'm sorry that you so blatantly missed my point that I had to spell it out to you.

I disagree with this. In a matchmaking setting or a non serious game, I think that many class compositions could be viable, with only sniper and medic being necessary picks.

Having a suicide wave with any combination of two beggars soldiers, two jarates, two mad milks a demoman and a spy sounds so aids.

How do I get combat text to show as part of the HUD?

Not floating above the people I'm shooting, but above the ammo or something.

Prophunt is a community created game mode that's easier to spectate for those who don't know the game and about as reminiscent of the tf2 pubs as 6s, yet more popular.

If you don't learn to play prophunt, you're just an ignorant player that can't be bothered learning to play it.

If anyone tries to make a format that is more reminiscent of the game that is actually popular to attract new players, they are destroying the community.

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