Edit: I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with the information regarding this argument, I say this in the wall of text but its a wall of text, so, you know...
GubbinsThalashyou got kicked out of the ETF2L admin team?
Permzillai can confirm what thalash said
going on perms word
SonnyBlackI can confirm everything Thalash ever said in the past and everything he ever will say in the future.
unsure if satire
PermzillaMuukiEngland Hildreth has also left the staff.
Obviously it just says "left the staff", it's not going to say "ETF2L are kicking this admin because they leaked stuff and we're pissed off" for the sake of PR?
What does that even mean, TF2 has been in the same shitty position for about 4 years
going on perms word
GubbinsHildrethThalashyou got kicked
All I did was post some facts
Some facts = A pastebin which had the entire news post copied
= Some facts
GubbinsMuukiPermzillaObviously it just says "left the staff"
I asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info
Hildreth is not to be trusted.
Why? Because someone else posted something to defend Hildreth which is inconsistent to Hildreth admitting to leaking something? This could also be a misunderstanding, as Hildreth could have told Muuki that he didn't leak anything that hadn't been leaked before, or that he didn't get kicked for leaking, which would still remain consistent to Hildreth's arguments.
GubbinsThalashMuukiHow did thalash come across this information
I only got informed about this incident today, and not 2½ years ago.
I had this information from the day I was sent the news post, by the person you sent it to.
Completely irrelevant
GubbinsHildrethI am not on trial here
You should be, I've heard copious amounts of bullshit come from you across multiple years.
Again, completely irrelevant
GubbinsHildrethwell documented internally
Would that not have been documented by Sonny + Perm? The 2 who are currently backing up the fact that you leaked information?
I'm not sure what your argument is here, unless you're implying that Hildreth should leak the info regarding him leaking info.
GubbinsnuzeThere is a clear difference. "He has no trust in you because of your past record" is Jon explaining the foundation of thalash's post - if hildreth did indeed leak information then thalash would be justified in not trusting him over discord.
This is important. Those who have been lied to by Hildreth or been shown that he is lying should call him out for it, especially when he thinks 3 years on, no one will remember him sharing admin information to impress a girl.
Again, I don't have a clue what your argument actually is here, unless you're just looking for sources to back up your claims that Hildreth is a liar.
GubbinsHildrethAs stated accusations of me being kicked for leaking are not true.
Your word vs. 2 head admins that got rid of you.
Its word vs word, no sources except the ones that ETF2L have, which I urge Stinson or Aoshi to come forward with.
GubbinsHildreth It is true I leaked some very minor detail about the Swiss System
The whole of the news post copied in to a pastebin.
Hildreth maybe tried to play it down a bit here, I don't know and I can't be bothered finding the news post, but it certainly isn't inconsistent with what is known and it doesn't support any claims opposing him.
GubbinsHildrethwas settled internally.
By who other than Perm and Sonny?
Irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI am disappointed Permzilla would lie
How many people will you call a liar?
Irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI know for a fact he leaked the same information about the Swiss System ... prior to this.
Are you referring to an external writer proofreading the news post? Do you have any proof of this? For all the liars you're calling out, it'd be interesting to see you back ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD
Again, its word vs word, except from the etf2l documentation. Doesn't progress your argument any further.
GubbinsHildrethI have all the facts to back this up internally
Ah yes, internally, suddenly everyone on the admin team who remembers your bullshit are gone and just now, you say that the proof is with the admin team. Bullshit. How come the internal knowledge of the head admins at the time is invalidated now that they don't have access to the forums? Have their minds been wiped?
He has the evidence to back his argument up with, and you are trying to discredit his source because it isn't consistent to the word of the person he is arguing with.
GubbinsPermzillaHow many of these admins were admin when this event happened? Since kkaltuu left recently I'm pretty sure it's none. But that's great that they believe your side of the story when none of them were there!
Shocker.
Again, irrelevant.
GubbinsHildrethI will for my part back down if you admit what you said earlier is a lie, mainly around how I left the admin team in Spring 2015.
MuukiI asked hildreth and he told me he hadn't leaked anything
HildrethI admitted I leaked some info and lets be real
Why don't you discredit your shitposting friend so that he stops trying to redirect this conversation away from you being a lying piece of shit?
I covered this argument earlier, but I think Hildreth has bigger things to address than this right now.
GubbinsHildrethAt this point this conversation has no value except a public shitting contest.
Yeah and yours smells the worst. Before you ask I don't have chat logs of you saying things that you've gone back on, I don't have the memory for the amount of things I've heard you say at lans which are just completely and totally unfounded but this all has to stop. You're full of shit, stop twisting little pockets of information taken out of context when you quite clearly have been called out.
Post your sources please.
Gubbinsinb4: 1 part of this gets ripped apart, therefore invalidating it in Hildog's eyes
What about the rest?
Its pretty hard to respond to a wall of text this large, so you're making the argument that if you aren't able to refute every single one of your points, you can't argue back, which is nonsense.
Sorry for the wall of text, its due to the way that Gubbins presented the argument and then made the above point.