go fygg! (fygg is my favorite player)

I agree with you that it was wrong for mustard to call him autisitc. This post was rightfully -fragged. I don't condone that, it was rude and unnecessary.

You still ignored the mastercoms example, though. Just because mustard was cruel doesn't mean that he didn't have an attitude and was completely out of his depth.

This entire thread is about changing the most fundamental trait of 6s other than the number of players!

okay man. Look, to bring back up your triathlon example, you've essentially joined a facebook page for people who run 10ks, asked why we don't run triathlons, and asserted that "[10ks] are not a natural competitive development," and that our "[tracks and events] are weirdly specific." It's pretty natural for us to say "look man, it's not that deep, I just want to run. And I used to bike more, but I personally get more satisfaction and physical results by doing this."

I really want to hammer home that in the second response to this thread, Seinfeld said that this game was old enough to enlist and that you're not the first person to propose class limit one. It's a really old idea that many of us, as well as many highlander or casual players, have played before. We found it really found stale and not that fun. That's kinda the end of it! You said to us, "6s should have one class limit" and we said, "we tried that, it wasn't good," and then we talked in circles for five pages. I'm sure if you found a HL discord group, posted the same thing but argued that they should play 6v6 class limit one instead of 9v9 class limit one, things would go basically the same as they went here.

I just really don't understand what is motivating you to be so evangelical about how 6s is an unnatural development, limits the fun of people who don't play scout/soldier, or is against some platonic ideal of competition (I don't think this is true, but whatever). You can find a group of friends who want to play 6v6 class limit one or go play highlander if you really want to.

I also think your automatic rejection of any argument that has some basis on "we've already done this before, and came to the conclusion we did because of xyz" or "you seem to have relatively little experience playing 6s, and I think it's leading you to draw conclusions that someone more familiar wouldn't come to" is misplaced. Yeah, I guess you could say that rhetorically people are asserting their authority because they don't want to spend the time in detail going over every single detail and nuance. But they're also annoyed that you're not really displaying any intellectual humility and loudly jumped into a space, telling us that we're all dumb and wrong and weird.

I think you were joking earlier when you were saying that Aimisadick seemed really cool and you didn't get why people didn't like him, but if you were genuinely serious, look at specifically his comments in the thread about mastercomfig. Mastercoms tirelessly puts in so much effort to extract as much performance as possible out of this game, and aimisadick repeatedly gave ludicrous pieces of feedback based out of his own ignorance and disrespectfully talked down to a pillar of the game. He was arrogant while being unknowledgeable. That's a pretty bad combo!

Would you sign up for a running club and ask why they aren't doing triathlons?

They're allowed to engage in sport on the terms that they want to. They also probably wouldn't put much stock in your opinion about the most natural or competitive form of sport. They might even strava you to see if you have any relative experience or insight to back up your very strong opinions.

In case you were curious, the reason you're being dismissed out of hand is that basically this exact same idea was pitched eight years ago with "prolander". A guy who had the exact same arguments about why 6s is bad made a tournament with a big prize pool. The best players were interested in the money and competed. It died out not too long later because all the 6s players would rather play 6s, and the highlander players would rather play highlander. You can't just tell us that we're committing a logic fallacy when we tried it ourselves and decided that we would rather just do this instead. That's okay!

Also, none of the "stalking" is anything outside of the general norms of this game. It's pretty common to check someone's game logs--that's why we all have the plugin on our servers to upload them automatically. https://logs.tf/profile/76561198116072296 See, here you can with a few clicks see almost every game I've ever played as well as my steam account, RGL account, TF2Center account, UGC account, and ETF2L account. If you want, you're also free to find my ESEA account, but that may require a few more clicks. Feel free to look at any of that, it;s all public and not creepy to check out.

This really boils down to cost-benefit analyses for both languages.

English:
+ Financially lucrative by opening career options
+ Access to English-language media
+ Many speakers in your age/regional cohort
+ You were probably taught it in school and have some familiarity
- On the margin, it is harder to learn

Esperanto
+ On the margin, it is easier to learn
+ Greater grammatical precision
- Nonexistent financial return
- Little/no works produced originally in language, compared to English
- Few other speakers

(Sidenote: Even if the requisite effort to learn Esperanto is much smaller, you can't just ignore the number of current speakers. I would be shocked if the collective study time for all competitive players to learn Esperanto with the exclusive purpose of more precise comms (a contested issue to begin with) is less than what is required for the non-English speakers who lack career or cultural incentive to learn to do so for TF2)

You may sincerely believe that the positives for Esperanto matter a lot. But as revealed to us from the continued incumbent status of English, people don't agree with you. You presented your case against the status quo and are seemingly offended that people have justifications for why the status quo is what it is. I'm learning a language other than English because it's good for my career, not because I think it's the Best Language or that we'd be better off if everyone spoke it. That's the main reason people learn languages--anything about its grammar or syntax is a tertiary issue to me.

This guy is the exact person that you're supposedly trying to make things better for. He's telling you in no uncertain terms that he thinks your idea is unrealistic. He could have learned Esperanto, but when he ran the cost-benefit calculation, he opted for English. Rather than assume he's just not Educated enough, try to understand why he made the decision he did. Allow information from people who actually make these choices to shape your views--that's how you learn how things work.

is fyg

stfu really really really bad player!

Sad!

Your Tamps Bay Devil Rays Are Very Good, But C'mon Beating Up On My Washington Nationals Isn't That Hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpXgd5IxLpk

fyg, you really want that full fourth nerd star, don't you?

Let it be, man.

Why were you browsing 2018 b4nny tweets at 2am?

I still have fond memories of playing for 2 or 3 weeks with perfection, ash1497, yuki, and dunker trying to keep Midnight Society going. I think ash left because he and yuki had a falling out, and we needed a demo, so yuki somehow convinced us to give bullet a shot. Perfection had to miss a day of scrims, and with like 2 minutes until we were supposed to start, we still couldn't grab anyone. Bullet then told us out of the blue that he had someone--a "really good" like UGC silver player he "knew could play high IM." Obviously sketchy, but we didn't want to bait our opponents. It ended up being bolin and this was the game we played: https://logs.tf/2096079#76561198116072296 Bolin, for those of you at home who never had the pleasure of meeting him is quite possibly the most obvious cheater I had ever played with. You may know him as merlow--that guy who used to upload youtube videos of him cheating in mge.

Suffice it to say, I left that team immediately after, and what was left of Midnight Society died before the next season started.

good times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQoOqN32Vw0

why does it have to be so difficult !!