play for fun and you'll see improvement. play for improvement, you wont have much fun

or you'll have fun because you'll enjoy seeing yourself progress.

Try tr_rollout_a1 if you especially want to practice rollouts for maps. It's just the first section of a map with teleporters in case you mess up. sv_cheats 1 and hurtme -9999 will give you the hp you need.

MGE is ok if you're just starting out, try and get a partner who is a bit better than you and play against them. Try not to use "mge tactics" and just try and hit good shots, use it as aim practice rather than playing to win otherwise you develop bad habits. If you're a pocket try ultiduo it's hella fun and helpful for DM practice, or you can join DM servers like the ones on the right.

If you just want to get better at 6v6 though, it's all about playing. Mixes and pugs are all ok but playing in a team is the best. GL!

Play scrims / pugs / lobbies, any sort of competitive form of game with the class you intened to improve at.

I play Soldier (roam) and found out, that the more you actually play the game, and practice rollouts in an actual game, you can get to a point where it's a simple thing to do.
You also improve in gamesense and communicating with your team, and learning which calls are the right ones to make.

MGE is purely for DM, it makes you better, no doubt, you should play at for a while, if you have a match and you got some spare time before the match, and you think you're not warmed up or something, play some MGE, it'll get you warmed up quickly.

Jump maps are good, very good, but most of the jump maps aren't that useful in-game, create an offline server and start practicing jumps & rollouts, think about new and cool ways that you can play a certain map or get better at the jumps there.

Play a match, check which jumps did you fail to do, or which ones you should have done, practice that specific jumps and you'll see you'll get better.

tr_rollout (or whatever it's called) is a good map if you want to practice rollouts offline.

TL;DR My advice, play the game, for me jump maps are purely for challenge and fun, MGE gets you better in DM and it sure helps out when it comes to in-game battle, play it often, and you'll see that in-game you'll never have to worry about trying to score an airshot or win a 1v1.

I don't really agree with this.

Yeah, you can improve by playing for fun. However, if you are careless about your mistakes or just simply do not care much about improving, you will develop bad habits. You can also play for improvement and still have fun. Just about any game I try to improve on is a game I have fun with. If I happen to not have fun, then I simply don't play it or don't try to improve in it. It's extremely possible to want to improve and have fun at the same time, and it's really not that uncommon or unrealistic at all.

To answer OP, there are a few rollout maps that help quite a bit. Try to obtain a consistent, good time for a practical rollout. I know Pure used to practice rollouts on his own time quite frequently, especially before matches.

However, if you really want to get better, I would suggest watching your own demos. Try to seek out what you could have done better. No matter how garbage or amazing you are, every single player will mess up. The difference of what separates the two are consistency of not constantly making horrible mistakes and just good intuition.

I see your point, I didnt really mean to the level of being careless, but something like scrimming and playing for fun while learning, rather than DMing until your fingers break

I really like the feed back, I shall give all of your advice a try. This game is about making friends an having fun in a competitive atmosphere for me. Just odd to be a noob an have over 900hr on my belt with almost nothing to show, but I learn fast an find out most of my mistakes so hopefully I won't be called a ftp solly for to much longer. If anyone in the discussion has friends or would like to themselves add me on steam for some tf2 fun go right ahead. My name is $teveIndiGO. Also question. What is "DM" "DMing"?

DM is short for deathmatch. Basically your ability to poop on people.

i remember you

$teveIndiGO 2 Aug 2013 @ 7:27pm

RIP weeabootique.

and it was hard to believe he wasnt banned for blatant retism

the tique got to you

This + better players' demos.

(Besides, we could use more crafty players and less "I'm gonna +forward and attempt to kill everything regardless of what is happening around me.")

Honestly, I've played entirely pugs for about 6 months, at least 8 months of DM/MGE type-stuff before that, and in the last week or so where I've been on a team with some friends I've probably gotten better then in the last 1/2 year, simply because we did demo reviews. Being able to see how stupidly you play is probably the best thing to get better, you can get the best DM in the world, but if you try and hold forward after wiping at mid, you will lose.

Feel free to hop on down to newbie mixes and see what a coach says what you can improve on and how you can do it.

playing in a team is just about the best way in my opinion.

imho getting better involves being able to just generally enjoy the game. find a team, or even a group of friends that you can play with and you'll notice some improvement. don't stress out if you lose a game or a mge match or something, just relax. trying to stay as positive as possible even when things aren't looking good for you is a really good habit to have. find people to go over your demos with, learn the maps you are playing on, learn and practice those rollouts, etc.

best of luck man, just keep at it and in time you will improve :)