That pc needs 400W. You don't need a 750W PSU for that. 500W or 550W is more than enough. Not that that PSU isn't good but downsizing to 500/550W would keep the price reasonable while still getting something better than a CM MWE Gold. I do admit that it's not easy to figure out which PSUs are actually good (price tells you nothing, there's a lot of overpriced garbage and neither is 80+ whatever an indicator of quality) so not suggesting any alternatives was a bit of a dick move, but the build looked very outdated and work-in-progress so I correctly assumed the 2600 and 1660 SUPER were going to change so a specific recommendation didn't make sense yet. After all a 65W TDP CPU and 125W TBP GPU don't call for the same PSU wattage as the 95W TDP CPU and 175W TBP GPU you've selected now.

A 860 Evo 500 GB isn't great because spending 70$ on a SATA SSD doesn't make sense when your mobo got an M.2 NVMe slot so you can get a much faster NVMe SSD for 60$, let alone 70$. That doesn't mean you have to buy a 1TB high-end NVMe SSD for 70$. The point was that you can get something much better for less or the same money, not that you should spend two and a half times as much on the SSD. You've got a 2TB HDD for mass storage so a 60$ entry-level NVMe SSD like a Crucial P1 or WB Blue SN550 for 60$ should be fine. Going up to 70$ you've got so many options that I won't even bother listing them all.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=480000000000,18000000000000&sort=price&t=0&D=1
A good place to start if you want more details:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds

And RAM is fairly simple as well. 2x8GB seems fine to me, but you could probably afford 3600 MHz CL16 instead of 3200 MHz. Or at least 3466 MHz. That's it, really.

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Looks ok.
Check the supported memory list (QVL) just in case.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX
compatibility, "Memory by RX-3X00" obviously (not 3X00G either). Use the exact part number, long ass alphanumeric code.

Would like to add to this.
If your RAM isn't on the QVL list, check with the RAM manufacturer. When I built my PC I stressed too much about my RAM not being on the list and after too much headache, ended up going with a kit that was verified on the RAM manufacturer's website and not on the MOBO QVL. Works perfectly fine, XMP and all that works aswell.

I'm wondering if I should get a 240hz monitor with this setup or wait for the next gen of Ryzen and upgrade my CPU then. Is getting 240fps even attainable consistently in TF2 without like, clear textures or something?

UserBenchmarks: Game 103%, Desk 92%, Work 98%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 87.3%
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) - 115.5%
SSD: Adata XPG SX8200 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 215.3% (boot drive)
SSD: Kingston A400 120GB - 79.6%
SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 C15 4x8GB - 83.9%
MBD: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (MS-7C02)
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 650W

CPU is OCd to 4.3ghz and GPU is OCd to +75 on both clocks.

Is that a hypothetical build or are you asking me if you're getting 240fps in TF2 instead of testing it yourself?

I mean, I've tested it but I'm not hitting it consistently esp. in pubs. I was asking if it was possible without making changes to graphics, ive hit as low as 110 in pubs before

With mastercoms medium low in 6v6 yes. In pubs, HL, or even a sufficiently poorly optimized map? No. Your best bet is Zen 3 if you care about pub fps. Ram speed gives significant gains on Ryzen in TF2. Grab some 3600 CL 16 when you upgrade.

Also why are you posting Usershillmark scores?

uh, is there a problem with userbenchmark? was the easiest way for me to get a parts list.

I just got this ram unfortunately. Thought it was pretty good with ryzen. what works best with it?

https://i.imgur.com/ptiAL1h.png

Here you see a Core i3 "beating" a 32 core thread ripper in a completely fair comparison. Ie - all is skewed towards Intel for some reason. It's not a realistic indicator for performance. You even see the site owners writing completely idiotic statements about AMD processors. So just dont go to their site or use their software.

https://i.imgur.com/uXlCPZ1.png

Right when Zen 2 came out, they decided to change all the tests to be more weighted towards Intel. That along with their clearly biased statements, scalding press releases towards any reviewer media that dares to go against them, makes it clear they arent fans of objective truth, ie fail as a benchmark and are just SEO garbage that should be avoided.

The optimal RAM you want is running at 3600MHz with as low as CAS timings as you can get, as most processors can hit that effectively without shenanigans. The absolute best RAM you can get for Ryzen is Samsung B-Die memory, but that is very expensive.

It doesn't make that much of a difference to performance to justify the cost of buying new RAM imo. You may get a couple extra frames per second. If you increase the infinity fabric speed manually I think you will achieve most of the performance you would have gotten anyway. You will need a config to hit 240fps consistently because tf2 sucks.

ah i see. is the infinity fabric speed something i can do in ryzen master?

also this ram is pretty new so I could probably sell it on ebay and buy new ram with the money so it wouldn't be that big of an investment.

Hi!

I posted here some time ago about getting a new pc and was recommended to wait for the new nvidia gpus (thanks btw). I'm thinking of getting the new rtx 3080, is buying it at launch a good idea or should I wait for third party reviews or the upcoming cpus and gpus from AMD before making a purchase? And which version should I go for, is there a big difference between MSI or EVGA for example?

Also, are the rest of my parts still good to go with a 3080?
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/user/Enzonaut/saved/#view=GWbTnQ

If you want one with an aftermarket cooler (you should, reference design is never all that great) you should definitely wait for reviews.
The difference isn't by brand, it's about the cooler and stock clockrate. There can be multiple versions with the same cooler and different clockrates. Cooler is about noise levels, overclockability and if the power consumption is fairly high (and the 3080 with its 320W definitely qualifies) then even stock performance because the boost clocks are temperature dependent. Stock clocks obviously influence performance even more directly and overclockability as well. I mean if the chip ran well at a higher frequency they would've sold it at that frequency intead of "wasting" it on a low clocked model.

760T seems needlessly expensive.
My old advice about 3900X vs 3900XT, mobo and cooler still applies.

Been ballparking a new as-i-go build. Largely gaming/streaming with modeling and simulation on the side, spent way too long looking at zen2, but higher speeds will probably be more effective for longer in the case of the former. I only intend on going forward with this if theres a decent pcie 4.0 compatible mini itx. Open to all suggestions, not too sure how Intel is shaping up these days. Spent most of my time looking @ 3700 or higher + B550 aorus pro ax. I have a 6gb 1060/psu/storage that can tide me by should time claim more of my components. Total budget when I near the end will be closer to 1500, but mostly just weeds (and waiting) outside of getting the core together.

For the core of it I'm looking at (USD) 300-350 CPU, 250 for decent OC-able mini ITX and suggestions for a white/black slick looking 2x16gb ddr4 kit (eyeballing Neo Trident Z). Current case I'm looking at is an h210i.

If i said a dumb thing please lmk, Haven't really looked or cared about components since 2014/15.
Dumb thing #1: bulk of my games are source engine and minecraft. Looking to upgrade cause im still on a i5-3550 that needs to be relieved from a lifetime of overclocking.

Not entirely sure what you mean. Clarify?

Aren't all X570/B550 PCIe 4.0 by default? Haven't seen any without at least one PCIe 4.0 x16 slot so as long as there's a single decent X570/B550 mini-ITX board you're set?

Comet Lake is a thing, prices are actually competitive as long as you don't overclock, then the street prices for K CPUs and the extra cost of Z mobos fucks everything up. Slightly faster though, unless you go beyond 8 cores. No PCIe 4.0.

Neo Trident Z seems fine. H210i isn't that small for mini-ITX, but I guess the choices are more limited if you want to use an ATX PSU.

Zen3 is officially still "end of 2020" though we don't know how much of the lineup, but there's apparently an announcement on the 8th of October so it might be worth waiting until then.

My bad, was typing this up at work and missed that while going over it. Higher clock > more cores in the long run when trying to get by years down the road. GF's rig currently has a i7 4970k that I never bothered to setup an OC and was surprised when she had a fair bit lower fps.

Any suggestions for running with Intel regardless of the current price hikes? Gonna wait for zen3 and hope intel doesnt change the socket set again and open the way up for pcie 4.0 on the next gen.

Yeah, 3800XT is slightly outside of the range you specified, but might be worth a look. Or a 3600XT.

I mean if you go for the OC and spend the money you get higher per-thread performance. Not entirely convinced it'd be better than Zen3 though.
Socket should stay for 2 years, just like it always does. Rocket Lake only partial, rest stays on Comet Lake (refresh) and I don't see them opening that can of worms where PCIe 4.0 only works with half of the CPUs.

The founders editions are not reference designs if you were refering to those

They use the reference PCB, they're made by the GPU manufacturer, I don't know what else they would be. Fancy marketing names don't change that, nor do nVidia's weird money grabbing schemes.

Unlike previously the PCBs based on reference design are different from the founders edition PCB.

Oh right, the stupid 12 pin marketing bullshit.
Yeah, not a point in favour tbh.

do you guys think pc games will actually use 8 cores soon because of the consoles and therefore I should get a 10700k, or just get the 10600k?

Wait for Zen 3/Navi 2.0 unless you don't have a computer and you NEED one now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhfE2vWXkAIpf3s?format=jpg&name=orig

I just wanted to have it done before Cyberpunk releases (Nov. 19th).

I'm skeptical Zen 3 is going to beat Comet Lake in FPS specially overclocked which is why I'm not sure I want to wait, but maybe its worth it.

On the GPU side AMD has been flailing around since Ampere, if they had anything they wouldn't be marketing Walmart tier bicycles.

The 3800xt (according to GN CPU benchmarks) does about 128fps stock. I would expect out of a comet lake CPU you will get 5.1ghz max (silicon lottery). This is about 146fps.

this info is not confirmed. but to be safe, i will lower the numbers a bit from leaks.

If Zen 3 is 10% faster in games than the current Zen 2 CPUs, then that's 141fps. A 3% difference. Comet Lake CPUs you will have to manually OC and it will consume over 250W - and you get no PCI-e Gen 4 support.

And that's a conservative 10%. Most recent leaks suggest that Zen 3 beats Comet Lake in CPU bound games. And will probably use less power. Besides October 8th isn't that far away, so if you don't need a new CPU right now, might as well wait to see. I doubt 10700Ks will go out of stock in that time.

As for RDNA 2, there is a lot of conflicting information. The most realistic thing I've seen is that it will perform about the same as a 3080 and will consume less power for the top model. I doubt we will see another Vega again, but who knows. The only way to know is wait until 28th October. I just wouldn't count RTG out just yet.

Why do you think NVIDIA increased performance so much over Turing this time for the same prices? I can tell you with some certainty that NVIDIA isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart.

Is this a good 240hz monitor? I'm kinda worried about response time since I've seen that all the IPS panels aren't "true" 1ms or it's "simulated" but idk what that really means. coming from a vg248qe 144hz.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0845QFDVM&ie=UTF8&th=1

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Yes, how dare they not release new GPUs within 5 days of nVidia releasing one! It is an outrage!

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Just to add: Iirc the "official" AMD numbers were 10-12% for INT, 50% for FP, 17% average.
And that's before even considering that even the engineering samples seem to be higher clocked than even the Matisse Refresh (XT) CPUs.
If AMD delivers what they promised, beating Comet Lake is very doable.

ok so lets theoretically say that im receiving a best buy gift card for 1800~ dollars because my pc broke. Whats the best option to get my moneys worth?

wait until the pandemic is over