SetsulI'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.
Neither do I to be honest. It's all complicated to me. I only learned what little I know fairly recently.
I thought the "gold standard" was 3600 C16 kits for nearly £200, which supposedly work out of the box. I bought the Patriot Viper set for £145 after reading you can run it at 3600Mhz C14 with a bit of work. I was reading for a little while about ram speed and latency and how that works with Ryzen, trying to get my head around it.
Are you saying I can run it at 3733 C15 and that will be better than what I'm currently using?
[quote=Setsul]I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve.[/quote]
Neither do I to be honest. It's all complicated to me. I only learned what little I know fairly recently.
I thought the "gold standard" was 3600 C16 kits for nearly £200, which supposedly work out of the box. I bought the Patriot Viper set for £145 after reading you can run it at 3600Mhz C14 with a bit of work. I was reading for a little while about ram speed and latency and how that works with Ryzen, trying to get my head around it.
Are you saying I can run it at 3733 C15 and that will be better than what I'm currently using?
The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.
Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.
The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.
Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.
SetsulThe goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.
Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go!
[quote=Setsul]The goto are 3600 CL16 kits that work out of the box, as shown by the QVL (list of memory the mobo manufacturer tested). The gold standard among those are specific chips (Samsung B-Dies) which play a bit nicer with the Ryzen memory controller and oc a little better.
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
The "lesser" version with 16-19-19-39 timings are around 120£, the better 16-16-16-36 around 130£ if you're lucky.
The rare and elusive 15-15-15-35 (I only know of the F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) should be around 150£.
CL14 is where the price gouging starts.
Now I'm not saying that a lot of these 3600 CL16 kits won't be listed at 200£ (or even 250£, yes I'm looking at you, Corsair), just that the cheapest of them will be much cheaper.
Yes, if it can handle 3600 CL14 and 4266 CL19 it should also be able to handle 3733 CL15. Yes, that should be better than 3600 CL14 for Ryzen.[/quote]
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go!
update: i've built together my pc from the suggestions here. other than some minor gpu coil whine I love it so thanks to everyone who helped. :D
update: i've built together my pc from the suggestions here. other than some minor gpu coil whine I love it so thanks to everyone who helped. :D
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BYB4n
I would like to build a new pc for diabotical, tf2, csgo and daw production. Have a budget of about ~$600 but savings are appreciated. Already have a case and a cpu cooler(cryorig h7) that I plan to use. I would like to buy the parts soon but if I can see big performance benefit for the same price I am more than willing to wait. I'm also wondering if locking the i5 9600F at 4.1ghz has any performance benefits in game or would I just be better off leaving the turbo increase as it seems fit? Any suggestions would be appreciated :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6BYB4n
I would like to build a new pc for diabotical, tf2, csgo and daw production. Have a budget of about ~$600 but savings are appreciated. Already have a case and a cpu cooler(cryorig h7) that I plan to use. I would like to buy the parts soon but if I can see big performance benefit for the same price I am more than willing to wait. I'm also wondering if locking the i5 9600F at 4.1ghz has any performance benefits in game or would I just be better off leaving the turbo increase as it seems fit? Any suggestions would be appreciated :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgh6mg
edit: after talking with him some more about what he wants, this is the new build i came up with : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkd8Xv
This is a build i came up with for my friend. Its already a bit overbudget as i didn't think to buy a wifi card so i can't really make any upgrades beyond this point. there's also a chance he'll settle for ddr4-2400 ram because of this. Is there anything clearly wrong with my build?
other info:
no overclocking
wants to be able to play current gen games but isn't too worried about graphics, as long as he is able to run it at 60fps
budget is <420
planning on building asap
the 960 is my hand-me-down to him
[s]https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgh6mg
[/s]
edit: after talking with him some more about what he wants, this is the new build i came up with : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkd8Xv
This is a build i came up with for my friend. Its already a bit overbudget as i didn't think to buy a wifi card so i can't really make any upgrades beyond this point. there's also a chance he'll settle for ddr4-2400 ram because of this. Is there anything clearly wrong with my build?
other info:
no overclocking
wants to be able to play current gen games but isn't too worried about graphics, as long as he is able to run it at 60fps
budget is <420
planning on building asap
the 960 is my hand-me-down to him
grain_death
Firstly i know its a typo, but we are talking about the 9400f, and if you plan on "enabling multi core enhancement" or anything like that, I wouldnt hold my breath about that on a B series motherboard with a locked processor. It will boost to 3.9ghz max all core, and that is if you are under a 65W TDP, should be fine in games though.
crybaby
You should buy a Ryzen 5 1600 AF. It is basically the 2600 but its cheaper. Look for a 1600 AF or 1600 (12nm)
Having a single stick of memory really isnt worth it imo. You would be better off with 2933mhz/3000 dual channel.
SilentWings fans are good but they are expensive, try for cheaper fans like arctic 120 pwm silent fans. Pretty much do the same thing.
[quote=grain_death]
[/quote]
Firstly i know its a typo, but we are talking about the 9400f, and if you plan on "enabling multi core enhancement" or anything like that, I wouldnt hold my breath about that on a B series motherboard with a locked processor. It will boost to 3.9ghz max all core, and that is if you are under a 65W TDP, should be fine in games though.
[quote=crybaby][/quote]
You should buy a Ryzen 5 1600 AF. It is basically the 2600 but its cheaper. Look for a 1600 AF or 1600 (12nm)
Having a single stick of memory really isnt worth it imo. You would be better off with 2933mhz/3000 dual channel.
SilentWings fans are good but they are expensive, try for cheaper fans like arctic 120 pwm silent fans. Pretty much do the same thing.
#3588
B365 is limited to 2666 MHz RAM.
MCE or whatever it's called for that mobo should get you a bit more performance at the cost of increased power consumption. I'm not sure how much B365 is allowed to fiddle with the TDP though, so it might not be nearly as much as on a Z mobo that can just set the power limit to 4096W, effectively removing it.
Also since the max all core turbo is 3.9 you will get that with 5/6 cores active and 4.0 with 2-4 cores. You only get 4.1 with a single core and even TF2 uses more than 1.
Intel 10th gen announcent 27th of April, launch 30th of May, afaik. Not sure if you're willing to wait.
I'm also not convinced that the 9400F is the ideal choice. A 3600 would allow you to actually use 3200 (or higher) RAM and with that plus the fact that even with the stock cooler a 3600 should boost to 4.1 all core, more for single core and probably slightly more for everything with an H7, I doubt that the 9400F would be any faster in games. For DAW 12 threads vs 6 threads means it won't even be close.
#3589
2 sticks of RAM, always. With a mobo with 4 slots you're not even sacrificing any upgradeability so throwing away half the bandwidth by not using Dual Channel makes no sense.
The 1600 AF isn't exactly the same as the 2600, it's lower clocked, but it is a cheaper and only marginally slower option. Think 2600X vs 2600. The 1600 AF is rarely sold for the 85$ MSRP, usually 100$ instead, and the 2600 is down to 125$ from 200$ MSRP but those 25$ could still solve your budget problems.
#3588
B365 is limited to 2666 MHz RAM.
MCE or whatever it's called for that mobo should get you a bit more performance at the cost of increased power consumption. I'm not sure how much B365 is allowed to fiddle with the TDP though, so it might not be nearly as much as on a Z mobo that can just set the power limit to 4096W, effectively removing it.
Also since the max all core turbo is 3.9 you will get that with 5/6 cores active and 4.0 with 2-4 cores. You only get 4.1 with a single core and even TF2 uses more than 1.
Intel 10th gen announcent 27th of April, launch 30th of May, afaik. Not sure if you're willing to wait.
I'm also not convinced that the 9400F is the ideal choice. A 3600 would allow you to actually use 3200 (or higher) RAM and with that plus the fact that even with the stock cooler a 3600 should boost to 4.1 all core, more for single core and probably slightly more for everything with an H7, I doubt that the 9400F would be any faster in games. For DAW 12 threads vs 6 threads means it won't even be close.
#3589
2 sticks of RAM, always. With a mobo with 4 slots you're not even sacrificing any upgradeability so throwing away half the bandwidth by not using Dual Channel makes no sense.
The 1600 AF isn't exactly the same as the 2600, it's lower clocked, but it is a cheaper and only marginally slower option. Think 2600X vs 2600. The 1600 AF is rarely sold for the 85$ MSRP, usually 100$ instead, and the 2600 is down to 125$ from 200$ MSRP but those 25$ could still solve your budget problems.
I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.
Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)
Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.
If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!
I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.
Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)
Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.
If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!
zxpI'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.
Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)
Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.
If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance!
Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.
Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?
[quote=zxp]I'm posting for a friend of mine here, was hoping someone could help out by proposing a build.
Budget: €1400 (only for PC, monitor etc. not included)
Country: Netherlands, but down to order from any other EU countries
Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
Games: Games like Skyrim (not sure how indicative that is)
Doesn't have to be mobile or anything, not going to attend lans or similar with it.
If I'm missing something, please let me know. And of course thanks in advance![/quote]
Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.
Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?
#3592
See #3593.
Also:
zxpOverclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?
#3592
See #3593.
Also:
[quote=zxp]Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
[/quote]
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?
_KermitWill he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.
Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?
He wants to Dark Souls 3 on it as well, but doesn't have any particular new games in mind. No video editing or anything of the sorts. Just normal programming (which he could do on pretty much any machine). Based on what he told me I think he would like to play modern RPG games, so that would be the priority.
Setsul#3592
See #3593.
Also:zxpOverclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?
But suppose a game comes out in 5 years, which doesn't run silky smooth. I think then the option to overclock would be nice(?)
[quote=_Kermit]
Will he play newer RPG games? Skyrim is almost a decade old at this point and you could run it on a super cheap build. If he'll play shit like Cyberpunk 2077, when it comes out, he'd need something way better than was just built for only Skyrim tier/age games.
Also would it be used for any productivity, like DAW/Video editing?[/quote]
He wants to Dark Souls 3 on it as well, but doesn't have any particular new games in mind. No video editing or anything of the sorts. Just normal programming (which he could do on pretty much any machine). Based on what he told me I think he would like to play modern RPG games, so that would be the priority.
[quote=Setsul]#3592
See #3593.
Also:
[quote=zxp]Overclocking: Yes, but preferably not necessary to do it immediately
[/quote]
That's not how it works. If you need to overclock to get the performance you want you have to do it immediately. If you don't need to then you never need to. What could possibly a the reason that you need to overclock, but only after 6 months, if you're still playing the same game?[/quote]
But suppose a game comes out in 5 years, which doesn't run silky smooth. I think then the option to overclock would be nice(?)
Anything more specific than "modern RPG games"?
Also when is he going to build it?
So you think that when a game doesn't run silky smooth on a 5 years old CPU an extra 10% are going to save you?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't cheap out on the mobo to block any attempts at overclocking, but in the case of Intel paying 50€ extra for a K CPU, 50€ extra for a Z mobo and another 50€ for a cooler now just because maybe in 5 years they might actually be useful...
Anything more specific than "modern RPG games"?
Also when is he going to build it?
So you think that when a game doesn't run silky smooth on a 5 years old CPU an extra 10% are going to save you?
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't cheap out on the mobo to block any attempts at overclocking, but in the case of Intel paying 50€ extra for a K CPU, 50€ extra for a Z mobo and another 50€ for a cooler now just because maybe in 5 years they might actually be useful...
Lets skip out on the overclocking then, since I expected it to give a bit more of a performance boost personally (and may have wrongly informed him D:)
Not much more specific than run modern games on 60+ fps preferably. Ideally the building starts within three months or so (depending on availability of hardware atm).
Lets skip out on the overclocking then, since I expected it to give a bit more of a performance boost personally (and may have wrongly informed him D:)
Not much more specific than run modern games on 60+ fps preferably. Ideally the building starts within three months or so (depending on availability of hardware atm).
Then he should definitely wait until the end of May or whenever the Intel 10th gen launch happens. Even if he doesn't end up buying any of the new CPUs it can't hurt to wait for lower prices for the old ones.
Then he should definitely wait until the end of May or whenever the Intel 10th gen launch happens. Even if he doesn't end up buying any of the new CPUs it can't hurt to wait for lower prices for the old ones.
Hello friends :)
Budget: ~700 for pc+monitor, but any savings appreciated
Country: US
Overclocking: no? unless the gain is worth it from a $ standpoint
Games: mostly want to focus on it running+streaming tf2 well, while being able to run whatever other random games I feel like playing on occasion with decent settings
I have a family member that works at intel and I can order CPUs thru her at a heavily discounted price
The most notable options are: i3-9100F($48), i5-9500F($88), & i5-9600KF($118).
The 9500F seems like the best bang for my buck
I threw together a hypothetical pcpartpicker and I would really appreciate feedback on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPDB7T
should also note I'm debating buying a used graphics card to save some cash.
Thank you so much!!!
Hello friends :)
Budget: ~700 for pc+monitor, but any savings appreciated
Country: US
Overclocking: no? unless the gain is worth it from a $ standpoint
Games: mostly want to focus on it running+streaming tf2 well, while being able to run whatever other random games I feel like playing on occasion with decent settings
I have a family member that works at intel and I can order CPUs thru her at a heavily discounted price
The most notable options are: i3-9100F($48), i5-9500F($88), & i5-9600KF($118).
The 9500F seems like the best bang for my buck
I threw together a hypothetical pcpartpicker and I would really appreciate feedback on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WPDB7T
should also note I'm debating buying a used graphics card to save some cash.
Thank you so much!!!
A used GPU might be an option.
9600KF would be nice, but only if you can get a cheap cooler as well.
Don't get an H310 board, they're usually shit and 2 RAM slots is going to come back to haunt you when you realize that 8GB isn't quite enough for everything.
There's no reason to go for a SATA SSD when you can get NVMe.
You're really not in a position where you can drop 80$ (16% of your budget) on a fully modular 600W PSU for a 300W build just because you feel like it. At most semi-modular.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8P7CmG/evga-bq-500w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0500-k1 or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na
PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor ($88.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B365M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 570 4 GB RS XXX Video Card ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ B&H)
Monitor: BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($199.00 @ B&H)
Total: $668.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-14 13:42 EDT-0400
A used GPU might be an option.
9600KF would be nice, but only if you can get a cheap cooler as well.
Don't get an H310 board, they're usually shit and 2 RAM slots is going to come back to haunt you when you realize that 8GB isn't quite enough for everything.
There's no reason to go for a SATA SSD when you can get NVMe.
You're really not in a position where you can drop 80$ (16% of your budget) on a fully modular 600W PSU for a 300W build just because you feel like it. At most semi-modular.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8P7CmG/evga-bq-500w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0500-k1 or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZhWnMc]PCPartPicker Part List[/url]
[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vfrYcf/intel-core-i5-9500f-3-ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i59500f]Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($88.00)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gKpmP6/gigabyte-b365m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-ds3h]Gigabyte B365M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($74.98 @ Amazon)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sP8j4D/patriot-viper-elite-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2666-memory-pve48g266c6kgy]Patriot Viper Elite 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($37.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9wyV3C/hp-ex900-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy43aaabc]HP EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive[/url] ($44.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tF648d/xfx-radeon-rx-570-4gb-rs-xxx-video-card-rx-570p427d6]XFX Radeon RX 570 4 GB RS XXX Video Card[/url] ($121.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zhjJ7P/cougar-mx330-g-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g]Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($46.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3G97YJ/seasonic-s12iii-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-ssr-550gb3]SeaSonic S12III 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($54.99 @ B&H)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FBYLrH/benq-zowie-xl2411p-240-1920x1080-144hz-monitor-xl2411p]BenQ ZOWIE XL2411P 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor[/url] ($199.00 @ B&H)
[b]Total:[/b] $668.91
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by [url=https://pcpartpicker.com]PCPartPicker[/url] 2020-04-14 13:42 EDT-0400[/i]
Hi, I am very clueless about PC's but I want to buy a new pc
Budget: £900 around 1000 euro
Country: England, UK
No overclocking
Games: TF2 mostly but also run fairly demanding games like monster hunter on mid-high settings
I would want to purchase from PC partpicker but any alternative can do
I also want to prioritise a small case, a smaller case than mid tower cases for transport purposes.
Just want the best performance pc for less than a grand.
I'm very sorry that I'm not very informed about PC's at all, thanks for the help.
Hi, I am very clueless about PC's but I want to buy a new pc
Budget: £900 around 1000 euro
Country: England, UK
No overclocking
Games: TF2 mostly but also run fairly demanding games like monster hunter on mid-high settings
I would want to purchase from PC partpicker but any alternative can do
I also want to prioritise a small case, a smaller case than mid tower cases for transport purposes.
Just want the best performance pc for less than a grand.
I'm very sorry that I'm not very informed about PC's at all, thanks for the help.
you dont purchase from pc partpicker they tell you where to purchase
you dont purchase from pc partpicker they tell you where to purchase
I don't think you can buy from pcpartpicker.
Streaming yes/no?
EDIT:
A new page appeared between me reading and me replying. Not the best response time, I guess. Might be getting old.
I don't think you can buy from pcpartpicker.
Streaming yes/no?
EDIT:
A new page appeared between me reading and me replying. Not the best response time, I guess. Might be getting old.
yeah streaming, i did not see new page sorry
yeah streaming, i did not see new page sorry
matty stop apologising stand up for urself king
matty stop apologising stand up for urself king
Hope you're not in a hurry, at this rate we might be here for a while.
When did you plan on building it? If you can wait until the Comet Lake launch at the end of May do so.
Just so you've got something to work with in case you are in a hurry, assuming you'll use GPU encoding for streaming:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GXGHL2
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RY7ZPn
Just as a sort of baseline. Especially the SSD is just a suggestion, nothing wrong with 256/512 GB SSD + 1/2 TB HDD or even 1 TB SSD. Didn't check the mobo QVL (just google it) for the RAM, you should probably do that for the 3600 build, it tends to be a bit picky. 3600 MHz, CL16 (again, google) if you can find a cheap one but it's not really necessary.
I've got no idea which build is better. 3600 should be a tiny bit better for Monster Hunter, but you'll be limited by the GPU anyway. TF2 no idea. 9600 is higher clocked but with the slower RAM I'd have to guess which one is faster. Could get 3600 MHz RAM for the 9600 as well but because Intel are bastards they limit you to 2666 MHz unless you buy a Z370/Z390 (overclocking) motherboard. 30 quid more for the mobo and another +30 for the RAM and it's not really working out with the budget anymore. Dropping down to a cheaper GPU and the 3600 build definitely wins in Monster Hunter. Could get a 9500F instead (cheaper) to make it work but that's lower clocked so I'd have to guess that it's still faster in TF2 than the 3600 but only by a tiny bit (and it's still more expensive than the 3600, both the CPU itself and the mobo). Also getting an overclocking mobo for a locked CPU that can't be overclocked is weird as fuck.
Could also throw the 3600X into the ring, but again it's only a tiny bit faster so it doesn't really feel like it'd be worth it. Yeah, best performance <900£ and all that but I don't know what you're going to do with storage situation, different case maybe (not that small tbh even though it's µATX, mostly there to see how the budget works out), maybe a different PSU, RAM that's actually on the QVL is probably going to be a bit more expensive as well and then the budget's already gone and the 3600X doesn't fit anymore.
Choices, choices...
Not very helpful I know, but I'm not really feeling like weighing the pros and cons right now because if you are able to wait I'd have to redo it all after the 10600 is available.
Also forgot how many fps you want in Monster Hunter (which one exactly anyway?) and on what resolution.
Hope you're not in a hurry, at this rate we might be here for a while.
When did you plan on building it? If you can wait until the Comet Lake launch at the end of May do so.
Just so you've got something to work with in case you are in a hurry, assuming you'll use GPU encoding for streaming:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GXGHL2
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RY7ZPn
Just as a sort of baseline. Especially the SSD is just a suggestion, nothing wrong with 256/512 GB SSD + 1/2 TB HDD or even 1 TB SSD. Didn't check the mobo QVL (just google it) for the RAM, you should probably do that for the 3600 build, it tends to be a bit picky. 3600 MHz, CL16 (again, google) if you can find a cheap one but it's not really necessary.
I've got no idea which build is better. 3600 should be a tiny bit better for Monster Hunter, but you'll be limited by the GPU anyway. TF2 no idea. 9600 is higher clocked but with the slower RAM I'd have to guess which one is faster. Could get 3600 MHz RAM for the 9600 as well but because Intel are bastards they limit you to 2666 MHz unless you buy a Z370/Z390 (overclocking) motherboard. 30 quid more for the mobo and another +30 for the RAM and it's not really working out with the budget anymore. Dropping down to a cheaper GPU and the 3600 build definitely wins in Monster Hunter. Could get a 9500F instead (cheaper) to make it work but that's lower clocked so I'd have to guess that it's still faster in TF2 than the 3600 but only by a tiny bit (and it's still more expensive than the 3600, both the CPU itself and the mobo). Also getting an overclocking mobo for a locked CPU that can't be overclocked is weird as fuck.
Could also throw the 3600X into the ring, but again it's only a tiny bit faster so it doesn't really feel like it'd be worth it. Yeah, best performance <900£ and all that but I don't know what you're going to do with storage situation, different case maybe (not that small tbh even though it's µATX, mostly there to see how the budget works out), maybe a different PSU, RAM that's actually on the QVL is probably going to be a bit more expensive as well and then the budget's already gone and the 3600X doesn't fit anymore.
Choices, choices...
Not very helpful I know, but I'm not really feeling like weighing the pros and cons right now because if you are able to wait I'd have to redo it all after the 10600 is available.
Also forgot how many fps you want in Monster Hunter (which one exactly anyway?) and on what resolution.
I am not fussy about other games, monster hunter (ultimate) was just an example. I'm mainly going to be playing tf.
I'm just going to buy 1 tb ssd as main storage. Can you recommend which one?
As well do I not need a cpu fan?
I think i'd rather get the amd build over the intel one as you mention i need to get the overclocking motherboard to remove the ram speed limit for intel
but the amd build gives a warning of
*Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
is this a big issue?
I plan to build in may hopefully
I am not fussy about other games, monster hunter (ultimate) was just an example. I'm mainly going to be playing tf.
I'm just going to buy 1 tb ssd as main storage. Can you recommend which one?
As well do I not need a cpu fan?
I think i'd rather get the amd build over the intel one as you mention i need to get the overclocking motherboard to remove the ram speed limit for intel
but the amd build gives a warning of
*Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
is this a big issue?
I plan to build in may hopefully
the MAX motherboards should be 3rd gen compatible out of the box so nothing to worry. Might be a slightly outdated bios but it will work.
3600 comes with a heatsink and fan in the box. It can be loud so buying an inexpensive air cooler isnt the worst idea. Maybe a cryorig h7 or Scythe Mugen 5. Should fit in that case.
a common SSD is a WD blue. Its inexpensive but it is only sata (imo not that big of a deal). There is an intel 660p 1tb version also. If you want the best, a samsung 960/970 EVO is what you want.
the MAX motherboards should be 3rd gen compatible out of the box so nothing to worry. Might be a slightly outdated bios but it will work.
3600 comes with a heatsink and fan in the box. It can be loud so buying an inexpensive air cooler isnt the worst idea. Maybe a cryorig h7 or Scythe Mugen 5. Should fit in that case.
a common SSD is a WD blue. Its inexpensive but it is only sata (imo not that big of a deal). There is an intel 660p 1tb version also. If you want the best, a samsung 960/970 EVO is what you want.
#3606
See #3607.
Honestly I'm still not sure which "monster hunter (ultimate)" you mean.
SSD is just about how fast an SSD you "need"/want. WD Blue SN550 1TB seems to be a bit cheaper than the 660p right now so that's fine. Anything significantly faster and therefore more expensive would push you over 900£.
#3606
See #3607.
Honestly I'm still not sure which "monster hunter (ultimate)" you mean.
SSD is just about how fast an SSD you "need"/want. WD Blue SN550 1TB seems to be a bit cheaper than the 660p right now so that's fine. Anything significantly faster and therefore more expensive would push you over 900£.
I'm looking to switch from Ryzen to Intel for clock speed. Ryzen just wasn't cutting it in Valorant and TF2 pubs. I need new CPU + cooler, motherboard and RAM. I already have a buyer for my old parts. I was thinking i5 9600k and overclocking to 5GHz. I'm looking to be able to stream TF2, CSGO, and Valorant. I don't need anything fancy for mobo, was happy with my budget Gigabyte Ryzen board. I have a 750W PSU. Budget is ~CAD$600 before tax. Any suggestions?
I'm looking to switch from Ryzen to Intel for clock speed. Ryzen just wasn't cutting it in Valorant and TF2 pubs. I need new CPU + cooler, motherboard and RAM. I already have a buyer for my old parts. I was thinking i5 9600k and overclocking to 5GHz. I'm looking to be able to stream TF2, CSGO, and Valorant. I don't need anything fancy for mobo, was happy with my budget Gigabyte Ryzen board. I have a 750W PSU. Budget is ~CAD$600 before tax. Any suggestions?
Which Ryzen CPU are you switching from?
Why not a 9600KF?
You're not going to get to 5 GHz with a budget mobo. Not like Z390 budget mobos are a thing anyway.
On the other hand without going trash tier with unheatsinked VRMs (have fun with those) I can't find any Z390 mobos for less than 200 CAD which places 9600K(F) + mobo + RAM + cooler for 600 CAD firmly in the "not happening" category.
Also I wouldn't recommend buying a 9600K(F) which uses thermal paste two weeks before the 10600K is released, which is supposedly based on the 10 core Comet Lake die and therefore soldered.
The way I see it you've got 2 problems:
1. For streaming you'd definitely want to choose the 6c/12t 10600K over the 6c/6t 9600K.
2. You can't even afford a 9600K if you want a good mobo, RAM and cooler. It'd be a bit pointless if you cheap out and end up getting all of 10% more fps for 600 CAD.
Which Ryzen CPU are you switching from?
Why not a 9600KF?
You're not going to get to 5 GHz with a budget mobo. Not like Z390 budget mobos are a thing anyway.
On the other hand without going trash tier with unheatsinked VRMs (have fun with those) I can't find any Z390 mobos for less than 200 CAD which places 9600K(F) + mobo + RAM + cooler for 600 CAD firmly in the "not happening" category.
Also I wouldn't recommend buying a 9600K(F) which uses thermal paste two weeks before the 10600K is released, which is supposedly based on the 10 core Comet Lake die and therefore soldered.
The way I see it you've got 2 problems:
1. For streaming you'd definitely want to choose the 6c/12t 10600K over the 6c/6t 9600K.
2. You can't even afford a 9600K if you want a good mobo, RAM and cooler. It'd be a bit pointless if you cheap out and end up getting all of 10% more fps for 600 CAD.
wait for 10th gen intel thats coming out soon if you can, as they have increased clock speeds and lower prices for the CPUs. Should be about a month or so when they come out.
Cooler - try a big dual tower cooler for more overclocking capacity. Noctua NH-D15 is the best but is a bit more expensive. Therefore good alternatives are the be quiet! dark rock pro 4 and the scythe fuma coolers (no need to worry as these coolers are compatible with lga 1200)
You can get a water cooler if you like for slightly better overclocks - the arctic freezer 2 does well according to gamers nexus. But you must realise this extra performance comes with pump noise and potential pump failure, which is hard to know.
wait for 10th gen intel thats coming out soon if you can, as they have increased clock speeds and lower prices for the CPUs. Should be about a month or so when they come out.
Cooler - try a big dual tower cooler for more overclocking capacity. Noctua NH-D15 is the best but is a bit more expensive. Therefore good alternatives are the be quiet! dark rock pro 4 and the scythe fuma coolers (no need to worry as these coolers are compatible with lga 1200)
You can get a water cooler if you like for slightly better overclocks - the arctic freezer 2 does well according to gamers nexus. But you must realise this extra performance comes with pump noise and potential pump failure, which is hard to know.
hmmm, thanks for the info guys. I am currently running a 2600x with stock cooler + Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 1.35v (advertised for ryzen and was plug and play 3200) on a Gigabyte 450M DS3H. It’s just not cutting it for me, I never see it stay at 4.2 for long. Usually sits just above 4, sometimes 4.1 when gaming. I have the right stuff enabled in bios and use PBO when gaming. Should I try a thermal paste + cooler upgrade? At this point I’m putting all plans on hold. Not sure if it’s worth so much for such a minuscule upgrade. Do I just suck it up, get a nice cooler and hope it stays at 4.2 and spend my money on a nice QHD 144hz monitor?
On that note, are these monitors good choices? Any other recommendation in the CAD$400-$500 price range?
Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA Series Curved 27" Gaming WQHD Monitor Dark Grey https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07H2MXZ37/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2rcVEb9NBN2W5
LG 27GL83A-B 27-Inch Screen Led-Lit 14700510,Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YGZL8XF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HscVEb9K46CA9
hmmm, thanks for the info guys. I am currently running a 2600x with stock cooler + Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 1.35v (advertised for ryzen and was plug and play 3200) on a Gigabyte 450M DS3H. It’s just not cutting it for me, I never see it stay at 4.2 for long. Usually sits just above 4, sometimes 4.1 when gaming. I have the right stuff enabled in bios and use PBO when gaming. Should I try a thermal paste + cooler upgrade? At this point I’m putting all plans on hold. Not sure if it’s worth so much for such a minuscule upgrade. Do I just suck it up, get a nice cooler and hope it stays at 4.2 and spend my money on a nice QHD 144hz monitor?
On that note, are these monitors good choices? Any other recommendation in the CAD$400-$500 price range?
Samsung LC27JG52QQNXZA Series Curved 27" Gaming WQHD Monitor Dark Grey https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07H2MXZ37/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2rcVEb9NBN2W5
LG 27GL83A-B 27-Inch Screen Led-Lit 14700510,Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YGZL8XF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HscVEb9K46CA9