My 4770k I have at 4.1 ghz I believe right now and when streaming with NVENC my frames are mostly inconsistent and will go anywhere from 120-240+, will drop down on midfights and be pretty inconsistent which is annoying. I think I had it at 4.2 previously and it was definitely better FPS wise and stuff but it would crash occasionally so I turned it down. I think I'll keep with GPU encoding because TF2 isn't even much GPU strain anyways so I feel like that makes more sense. And are AMD releasing new GPU's around the same time as well or is 7/7 just Intel? Also, how much of a deal is hyper threading because it says that now the i5's have it in the 10th gen which seems pretty nice, would that be a big difference when compared to the 3600X which is also 6 core?

4.1 is barely an overclock considering the 4770K starts with 3.9. I'm surprised you couldn't even get 4.2 stable, the average OC is 4.5. No offense, but that doesn't exactly inspire confidence so unless you're willing to invest enough time to learn how to do it properly I wouldn't go for overclocking on the new build.
You're already using GPU encoding so CPU load from streaming obviously isn't the problem. GPU encoding doesn't cause any GPU load either though.

Fps in TF2 will always be inconsistent. A new pc will not fix that. There's also a slight problem: If you want those minimum 120 fps to become 240 you'd need a CPU that's twice as fast and there simply is none.

First lets clarify a few things: Did you mean AMD will be releasing CPUs? Because there will be no GPUs. Also I'm not sure how you got the idea that Intel would be releasing new CPUs from " the 3600XT will be released in 5 days". Intel 10th Gen/Comet Lake has already been released on April 30th. Intel made a big show out of releasing before AMD. Turns out they don't actually have enough CPUs so it's essentially a paper launch and availability is dogshit.
All of AMD's 6 cores had SMT since 2017 (and their implementation is a bit better than Intel's anyway, even if it doesn't have a fancy marketing name) so i5s getting that now so they don't get shit on in multithreaded workloads for the third year in a row only closes that gap. Still not enough to win unless they already got such a significant advantage in single threaded/clockrate that it's enough to overcome their disadvantage in SMT.

7/7 was when AMD announced new cpus last year. most likely all releases will be in september-ish aswell as for GPUs.

120fps seems a bit low. you might wanna check your temperatures to see you arent overheating or anything related to throttling in HWinfo64, or your OC may not be stable. idk if you have cleaned your pc since you got it, but worst case it can be 5 years without cleaning. might be worthwhile to give it a clean if you have bad temps or have never done it. if we are talking 6v6 (been a while since i was on ddr3 but) i felt like i got more than that at a lower clock speed.

if you havent increased core voltage at all or optimized LLC and stuff you probably have more performance on the table/stability. you either got one of the worst 4770k's known to man or you are doing something wrong. chances are you probably forgot to do something.

SMT can negatively effect your performance in tf2 (and can effect potentially security if you are intel xd), and is most useful for rendering in blender or something like that by like 10-30%. probably wont make a huge difference day to day, although Ryzens is superior.

No? Most were released on 7/7? Only the 3950X and some OEM CPUs came later.

Do you want to tell me that press release from June 16 is not an announcement and that "Expected Availability: July 7, 2020" actually means "release in september"?
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2020-06-16-amd-offers-enthusiasts-more-choice-ever-new-ryzen-3000xt-processors

Sorry was confused I guess, when I looked into it a lot of the intel 10th gen cpu's said they were pre-order only and weren't available but that probably is more to do with bad availability rather than a set new release date. And good call I'll try to clean it out and see if I can get it stable at 4.2. I know in the past I had it running at 4.2 but it was crashing, I probably just didn't test enough settings and it needed more voltage or something. Will test that out and then see how it goes, been a few years since I properly cleaned everything out when I got a new GPU.

yes most of the cpus were released on 7/7 last year. used announced/released interchangeably.

But it is true that nothing zen 3 related will be released this month which was the point i was making, and most likely September time, which is what people should wait for not a zen 2 refresh, considering 3600 silicon has also improved.

buying a 3600xt for 100mhz and a increase for 25% more cost isnt worth it at all. especially considering you can buy a 3600 for an even lower price and get most the performance you would get, since they are all on better silicon now. and since zen 3 will be this year, seems a bit wasteful to spend full price on a new cpu that will be released soon. remember 2700x anniversary edition? full price but new cpus came out 3 months later, same situation here.

we are talking

3600 - 4.2ghz
3600x - 4.4ghz
3600xt - 4.5ghz

absolutely not worth it at all.

if you increase voltage/clocks keep an eye on your temperatures so you dont degrade anything. i think the max recommend voltage is 1.3? if that's too hot for you just decrease the voltage. i wouldn't be comfortable with anything over 85 personally. i think up to 1.4 is safe, as long as you have adequate cooling, which i dont think you have because we are talking dual tower coolers or 280mm AIO.

there should be some haswell overclocking tutorials somewhere on the internet. im sure linustechtips has a decent one.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. AMD released CPUs on 7/7 last year and they'll release CPUs on 7/7 this year.
I didn't even mention GPUs and both Navi 2X and Zen3 are planned for Q4 according to the roadmaps, not September, unless you know something I don't.

If he wants to wait for Zen3 he can. He could also wait for Zen4 in 2022, which will be even better.

What is your point? Should he buy a 3600 now before the price drops when the 3600XT is released? Should he wait until September?
Why buy a 3600 at all? A 1600 AF for 85$, not even half the price still gets you 3.6 GHz. The higher the performance, the worse the price to performance ratio. Hell, he could just not buy anything and leave everything as is. That's absolutely free. Oh wait, he needs a faster CPU, not whatever you think would give him the most bang for buck.

Just recommending the 3600 because it's cheaper and hoping it'll magically double his minimum fps is a bad strategy.
It does not matter how cost effective a build is when it fails to meet the original performance goal of upgrading.
That's why I was trying to figure out how much faster than a 4770K his new CPU would have to be.

Anyway, my hopes for overclocking solving his problem are very low. Going from 4.1 to 4.2 isn't going to fix the problem. Instability usually arises from voltage, not temperature so I think he's just too inexperienced and timid. Most 4770Ks should do 4.4, maybe 4.5 or even 4.6+ if he's lucky, but a non-delidded 4770K cooled by a 212 will always be thermally limited way before that. Either way it's not something that'll double the minimum fps so I don't think it's worth spending time on that for now.

Cleaning and maybe reverting to stock settings should tell us if this was a temperature/throttling problem, but otherwise he might just have to lower his expectations for the new build.

7% higher clock speeds for 37% more cost for a 3600xt isnt worth it (comparing vs 3600), and I doubt that higher performance will be make or break for 240fps in tf2 anyway. value and performance are equally important imo, especially since you can use that to buy better RAM/GPU. The newer 3600s can overclock higher at lower voltages (compared to launch day silicon) so that 7% gap can be reduced a bit if he is willing to overclock.

waiting for zen 3 is not the equivalent of waiting 2 years, and its been stated numerous times they are on track for Q3 2020. it will probably have 13+% IPC gains and higher clock speeds. Considering a "4600" is likely to be around $250-ish, i think its worth waiting for if "September launch" rumors are to be believed. If he plans to wait for new GPUs, might aswell wait for the new CPUs so the prices will drop on existing parts or if zen 3 is god tier then a 4600 is an option.

based on my past experience with broadwell, which is basically haswell, i dont the 120fps on midfights is normal. something is wrong, whether its unstable, throttling or maybe its a windows/bloat issue. perhaps i remember wrongly, but my fps was not 120 on midfights on any map, even sunshine.

he didnt increase the voltage so theres room for improvement there, as he isnt using a box cooler. he might have a potato tier processor though, who knows. unlikely to get 240fps from an OC but will hopefully fix the dips he was having. stock settings should be stable, about 3.8-3.9ghz in game hopefully. benchmark before and after see if anything changes.

Like I said, why not a 1600 AF then? If the performance is irrelevant anyway?
Or a 3300X? 4.3 GHz for 120$. By your logic the 3600 is not worth it at all for TF2.
Value is only worth considering after the initial performance goal has been met. Another 50$ for the GPU budget don't increase the fps in TF2. Will another 50$ spent on RAM increase the fps by 7%?
And the 3600XT can't be overclocked? Or do you think it'll somehow overclock worse? Have you already seen reviews that aren't out yet?
Why are you acting like this is a choice only between CPUs? This isn't about another 50$ for 5% performance on a (sub) 200$ CPU purchase, this is about 50$ for 5% performance on a 1000$ build, which is absolutely worth considering.

You're also forgetting that a 3600 is not that much faster than a 4770K single threaded. The "value" of an upgrade providing 25% more fps is drastically different from one that only gets you an extra 15% fps. Like I said the cheapest course of action would be to buy nothing but that also gets him no extra fps. Yes, it's also a GPU upgrade and MT is much better, but is it really worth saving 100$ (or even 200$) and losing half the benefit for TF2? That is not your decision. Neither is it mine. That's why I want to figure out how much of an upgrade he needs before declaring which CPU is or isn't worth the money. I've only said that a 2070 Super and a 3600XT would be something he can afford, not that that is what he needs.

Of course waiting 2 years is not the same as waiting 3 months, but that's still not the same as waiting for a week either. There will always be new CPUs. Waiting for a week should be possible for all but the most impatient. Anything on the scale of months "being worth it" is very subjective.

AMD has not confirmed anything other than 2020. I don't know where you're getting September from.

Yes, congratulations on predicting that AMD will in fact continue to release CPUs between 200 and 800$. I thought they'd stop that and only release >2000$ CPUs starting with Zen3.
Do you want a cookie for predicting that there will be a 4600? I can already tell you that your prediction won't work out because it'll be the 4600X at around 250$ and the 4600 and around 200$.

I'm not sure why you think a single digit percentage overclock would somehow remove the fps dips. Is 4.1 GHz = 120 fps minimum, 4.2 GHz = 160 fps and so on how you think it works?

I appreciate the advice and stuff but I think the bad FPS has probably got something to do with my PC overheating or the overclock being messed up somehow because in the past I got pretty decent FPS and things weren't bad at all. Maybe it's just with 240hz I can notice the frames dipping moreso, I wouldn't say it goes down to 120 constantly on mids or anything either it's just sometimes I'll check net graph when it feels super stuttery on a mid and I see numbers like that. I originally set up the overclock fairly long ago when I wasn't very confident messing around with things so I can definitely go in and test it some more. I'm a bit confused about what you're recommending though Setsul, you're trying to say that waiting and getting the 3600XT is worth it right? Or at the very least waiting till it's released and then getting a then discounted 3600? And with regards to overclocking I'm not inherently against it, I just don't want to have to spend a bunch more money on a better motherboard and better cooler and all that stuff. Maybe it's possible to overclock slightly with the stock AMD coolers?
Also, I spoke to a friend who was in a similar situation who got a 3600 and some 3200mhz ram that he overclocked to 3600mhz and said his build gets really good frames definitely over 240 constantly, so I'm not too worried that a new build will be good enough. Clearly my PC is just old and hasn't been cleaned out and is probably overheating so saying it needs like +200% frames from 120 isn't really a fair comparison.

Yeah, that's why I asked

Of course it's hard to notice when it slowly builds up over the course of 5 years.

I'm saying waiting for 7/7 is worth it because even if you don't get a 3600XT the prices for the 3600(X) could still drop a bit and worst case you've "wasted" a week. Waiting for Zen3 (and new GPUs) in Q4 would get you more bang for your buck but that's obviously a lot longer than just a few days.
Which model mostly depends on how much more performance you actually need. My main worry is that a 3600 should only be about 15% faster than a 4770K single threaded (though I think it might be a bit more in TF2), which isn't that much of an upgrade.

Yes, you can get a slight overclock even with the stock cooler. The main advantage of AMD for overclocking is that you don't need a more expensive CPU or mobo and you get a stock cooler for free anyway so you can always just try it and order an aftermarket cooler later if it's not cooler or quiet enough for your taste.

For now I'm not recommending anything. See what's wrong with your current PC, that might already fix your problem. Then you can consider better oc (maybe delidding and/or a better cooler) vs a new build.

Yeah net graph can drop your fps more than normal, so its probaby not as bad as i assumed.

You can overclock a 3600 on a b450 tomahawk max comfortably for example. The stock coolers are a bit trash though so you probably wont get much out of it without losing your mind due to how annoying the stock cooler sounds.

You could gamble and get some cheap Samsung B-Die RAM. Generally 3200mhz cl14 indicates this. And you can use Ryzen DRAM calculator as a base to overclock your memory. B-Die is easier to overclock and better in general. I have had luck doing this and maybe your friend did this too. You can use b-die finder to see if the RAM you are looking at has b-die modules.
RAM overclocking is painful to do because you have to be sure you get no memory errors over a long period of time and the OC may not work at the end of it, so its probably easier to get the ram speed and timings you want.

But its important to keep in mind - if your current system does everything you want it to do, is there a reason to upgrade?
you might get close to 240fps with the right settings.

Q3 release for zen 3. September is the speculated release date that ive read from various sites and heard from numerous people on videos etc.

Never said that a performance goal was irrelevant. I said i weigh both performance and value equally. If theres a way to get 240fps at a cheaper cost, why not do it? Otherwise we would recommend i9 9700k 5.1ghz bin from silicon lottery and a 750ti.
And multiple people have posted 3600 benchmarks that seem to indicate that it is possible to get over 240fps in TF2, so theres no real need for anything more powerful if 240fps is the goal. That saved cost can be used for a better GPU, RAM, extra case fans or a cooler, even if it is "only" $50.

Might be the difference between a 2060 S and 2070 S, and we can all agree the stock cooler sucks. Using the B-die trick previously mentioned i easily got 7% more perf compared to stock xmp settings in TF2. And since zen 2 chips can do more than 3466, it will probably be more than that. This is a perfectly valid option.

3600XT will be lower quality silicon than a 3800xt. i dont think the majority will overclock to 4.6Ghz even. How else can a 12 core and 16 core cpu in the same lineup use the same power with near identical clock speeds? Because the 3600XT is a lower quality bin than the top chips. I doubt they would waste many good 4.7ghz 6 core chips on a 3600xt when you need 2 of them for a 3900xt. Just a prediction. But I doubt 3600xts will OC to 4.7.

How can you be so certain that they wont increase the prices for zen 3? They tried that with the navi cards last time. What's stopping them from increasing the prices this time if they have a clearly superior product? There have been no leaks about zen 3 specs or prices yet, so not possible to know this, unless there is some info im unaware about.

If we dont care about increasing minimum fps at all, surely that means a 2.4ghz dual core will feel the same as a 5ghz core i9 right? 240fps is the goal and the closer you are to it the better. i said 240fps wont be attainable so not sure where you got those numbers from. pretty sure those numbers wont "fix" the dips either.

That's a secondary source mixing speculation with what AMD said.
https://www.techpowerup.com/268650/amd-confirms-vermeer-zen-3-not-delayed-to-launch-in-2020
"AMD in an official briefing call with us confirmed that the company's "Zen 3" client processors are on-track for launch within 2020."

The way the tapeouts are scheduled means that they could release something in September. If everything goes as planned, which is never guaranteed.
The rumours were that that something would most likely be Milan (EPYC, server CPUs) and that Vermeer (Desktop CPUs) might even be delayed to 2021. AMD denied that, but only said they were on track for 2020. Because the source are the client-segment product managers it is assumed that that includes at least some client CPUs.
We still don't know when and which models exactly. Launches are always spread out over a couple of months so even if you're 100% certain that some Vermeer CPUs will be released in September that doesn't mean we'll see a 4600(X). That could very well take until December.
So stop acting like AMD confirmed a 4600 for September.

The rumours of delays were fueled by Matisse Refresh and yes, that is different from the 2700X Anniversary Edition. The AE was purely cosmetic.
Releasing actually different CPUs, no matter how minor that difference is, in the same segment within 3 months is almost unheard of. Though in this case I can definitely see it being a response to Comet Lake.

Your argument about overclocking makes no sense. What does the 3800XT have to do with this? Why does that mean a 3600XT will overclock worse than a 3600?
You also don't know how binning works. Silicon "quality" is not some one dimensional parameter. It's a combination of frequency, voltage and power consumption. There is some correlation, but a core using less power at the same frequency does not guarantee it can't reach a higher frequency.
And the trick to getting the same power consumption with more cores and near identical clock speeds is the "near".
Power consumption increases massively for Zen2 with every little bit of extra frequency when you're close to or above 4 GHz.
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15043/3950X%20PowerLoading.png
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15043/3950X%20RHP%20Freq2.png
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15043/3950X%20Power.png
A core at 4.125 GHz needs 14-15W, while at 3.875 GHz it only needs 7-7.5W. A measly 250 MHz extra double the power consumption.

About prices: This is about branding. Navi got different numbers and AMD tried to raise the prices at the same time. It didn't work.
You want the same model numbers (with a different digit for the generation obviously) to stay around the same price. You change how many cores/threads and what frequency the customer gets at that price. That's why Intel "added" HTT to the i5s instead of making i7s cheaper. That's why they added i9s to cover 400-500$ instead of letting i7s cover 300-500$. That's why a 3950X exists, which got 33% more cores and is 50% more expensive than a 3900X instead of selling the 3800X as 3750X. Because x700(X) models in AMD's naming scheme shall cover the low 300s range. That's why the 2700X is called 2700X even though it's faster than the 1800X. Because it doesn't cost 400$.
That is why I can guarantee that there will be a 4900X at around 500$ and there will be a 12 core, but I can't guarantee that they will be the same. Same for 3700(X)/3800(X) and 8 cores.

About fps:
https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/902719/tf2-benchmarks
Better comparision because the 4790K is clocked higher.
So yeah, Haswell needs somewhere between 4.4 and 5.0 GHz for 240 fps, depending on the settings. The lower end of that is definitely doable.

Can you not see the problem? If his current pc could get him 240 avg and a 3600 gets him 270 fps average, but his problem is that he gets drops to 120 how do you expect the 3600 to solve that?

You said yourself that an OC not even high enough to get 240 fps would somehow fix the dips.
I still don't know how you imagine that would work.

https://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2020/07/05083806133l.jpg

4.65 GHz all core on the 3600XT, "only" 4.6/4.55 for the 3800XT/3900XT.
No stock cooler is a bit of a bummer and with a less ridiculous cooling setup it won't go that high but it's still a massive improvement in overclockability, especially for the 3600X(T).
Very spicy I must say.

most seem to be getting 4.55GHz ish for the 3600xt at 1.3v. none hitting 4.7 apart from one golden sample afaik, which is insane considering it had difficulty hitting 4.2 all core a year ago. No bios update needed either. I didnt expect them to be this good, and is potentially a good sign that zen 3 can hit high clock speeds?

couldnt find many reviewers who benched cs:go this time. looks like roughly 10% faster than 3600x at stock speeds. Apparently it can do 3800MHz memory at 1:1 now which is pretty cool.

3800XT tends to overclock slightly higher if not the same speeds, and 3900xt has 1 good+1 bad chip, which i didnt think would happen but hey. Also would be interesting to see what percentages of chips roughly hit what clock speeds, maybe if silicon lottery does another round of binning with a large amount of processors.

3600xt has no cooler so bit lame I guess. 3600 still seems like the best value chip. I wonder how much a newer 3600X would overclock at safe voltages, if its close to 4.5 or what. not a common chip people buy so not many people report their results. No price drops from 3600(X), which is a shame i guess.

overall i was wrong which is a good thing i guess.

Did I mention the ridiculous cooling setup? For the 3600XT it was "only" 1.35V, but they pumped 1.4V into the 3800XT/3900XT and only got them to 74/84°C.
No, this doesn't mean anything for Zen3. It would be worse if it did. A new architecture with >10% higher IPC and similar clockrates is to be preferred over a refresh with something like 5% higher clockrates and virtually the same IPC.
Using the same chips for Desktops and Servers will always limit AMD's ability to tune for 4+ GHz since they absolutely need to preserve efficiency at 2-3 GHz lest 64(+) cores do not fit in the TDP anymore.

It'll take a while for more comprehensive statistics but I wouldn't be surprised if the all core OCs for the 3600XT are indeed higher than for the 3800XT and 3900XT. Fewer cores, after all.

The 3600 was always going to stay the best value chip. If a faster, more expensive chip with the same architecture provides a better price to performance ratio something has gone seriously wrong with the pricing. I did mention that before.

Street prices will take a bit longer than a few hours to be affected.
Why would a newer 3600X overclock better? Where do you think the 3600XT bins are coming from?

And yes, I'm also pleasantly surprised. I didn't dare to predict this, but I try to mantain a cautious "you'll never know" stance. Because sometimes things do go very right.

I picked up a 3600XT today at microcenter and I think it does actually include a stock cooler the 'wraith thermal solution', although from what I read the 3800XT and 3900XT don't include stock coolers. Got a pretty good deal with $50 off bundle when I got a motherboard with the CPU (only options for the deal were some way overpriced one and the asus TUF x570-plus (wifi) which is a solid deal at only $140 (compared to $190 regular price). Cleaned out my old PC but didn't have any extra thermal paste to re-apply and didn't want to bother with it so I decided to treat myself and spend some extra money on just getting a whole new setup. The advice to try and overclock my 4770k was definitely the better play financially speaking cause I'm sure there's more performance to be squeezed out but at the end of the day I decided I wanted to do an upgrade. Seems like the stock boost to 4.5ghz is pretty solid but I think I'll try to overclock a bit and see what I can do with the stock cooler. Microcenter had the 3600X at $200 which is less than I was seeing it online previously ($220) so I think the release today probably will drive the prices down as people suspected. With the $50 discount from bundle slightly better performance I figured why not go for the 3600XT. All the other budget B450 and B550 motherboards were sold out online pretty much so I'm happy with this. Excited to put the best of the build together once things arrive.

I ended up never upgrading my build from 2015, and a lightning strike near my house somehow killed my pc a few nights ago. I’m trying to see if I can recover the data from my harddrive, but anyways I guess now is a good time to upgrade. I’m in college, so I won’t really be seeing my pc too often, but I’m looking for a build that could sustain games like warzone at 1080p 144hz. My family also uses my pc, but not too demanding other that my dad, which he’ll use it for virtual machine. I’m also wondering if I can just put off buying a new gpu and instead use my 960 till I can save up for a better card. However, with a new gpu, my budget ranges from $800-$1000.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWspcq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($172.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
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Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
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I am selling that exact ram kit new in packaging if you are interested in getting it cheaper. I had a ram stick go bad and had to RMA. I wasn't about to go 2 weeks without a PC so i upgraded.

https://imgur.com/a/2gGQWDW

ok i gotta know its seriously impressive

who tf is screwb's dedicated downfragger what's it like being so bored

doggo gang prob

Hello gamers, I am planning on building a PC next week :)

Here is my PC part picker: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fpcZDx

Any feedback would be appreciated! I'm planning on just playing comp TF2 though I might play some other games on the side. I might also do some artsy stuff like mapping, modelling, animating, etc.

Also looking for recommendations for a (wired) mouse. Also a keyboard as well (I'm looking for mechanical, cherry red switches, 70 prob).

Thanks!

Faster RAM would be worth it but I don't know your budget.

I'd be willing to up the price. Any recommendations for RAM?

tfw I paid 328 USD for my 3700x and they're going for 270 now
hold me bros...

#3666
Latency would be lowest at 3733 MHz but the difference is minor and there's not many of those so 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 is usually considered the gold standard. The cheapest on the motherboard's QVL are right now would be these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ywYLrH/gskill-trident-z-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M2prxr/gskill-trident-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gtzsw
Nothing wrong with going one step down to 3466 though, even 3466 MHz CL17 has the same nominal latency as the kit you picked and on top of that Ryzen already benefits from the higher frequency.

Hi again,

I'm a big idiot, I didn't check the next page of the thread so I've only seen your reply to #3630 now. I was wondering if you could check out my updated build at https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/jjoshea/saved/#view=LndK3C . I've decided to hold off on buying a new gpu right now and I might wait to see what happens with prices (of 20&30 series) when the new 30 series cards release and keep using my 970 for the next few months. You can largely ignore builds #2, #3, & #4 as I've ruled them out, the only other build I considered was #5 but it seems I came to the same conclusion you came to in a similar thread noting the extra costs of a proper cooler and mobo to go with the already $200 more 10600k.

Also, I decided to go with a b450 because I don't plan on upgrading to the new 4000series cpu's so the forwards compatibility is largely useless to me and theres no guarantee 500series boards will be compatible with 5000series cpu's (and even then I highly doubt I'd upgrade to anything before 6000 series which almost certainly won't be compatible with 500 series). Also, with your comment on RAM, I don't remember what RAM I originally had planned in the build but I'm assuming (or hoping) this g.skill 16gb 3600Mhz is good enough?

Lastly, do you have any SSD recommendations or tips? I went with this seagate 500gb one for $125 because it was a bit cheaper than the 970 evo which I think I originally planned on, without seeming like a performance downgrade since Seagate seem to be a reputable brand but I'd greatly appreciate suggestions if you have any. I'm not against spending a little more on one. Also for the record 500gb seems to be the sweet spot for me atm since I'll bring forward my current 2tb hdd to my new computer

Thank you very much for the help.

EDIT: I was also wondering if keeping my 500w psu for the next couple months with this new build (with a 970) would be safe/okay? I just think it means I can buy the computer a little sooner and also makes it so I don't run into any troubles picking a psu once I know which GPU I'm going to buy in a few months.

You can probably afford better RAM, 18-22-22-42 isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
Internally the BarraCuda 510 is more or less the same as the cheaper MP510 or MP34 and not any faster iirc.
If you want to stay in that price bracket but can afford an extra 10$ (you really should) the EX950 or Sabrent Rocket (not Q) would be faster, with the Rocket being the faster of the two.

Yes, keeping the PSU is fine. That's a 200W build without the GPU, official GPU TDPs are usually 250W or lower and I really don't think you're going to buy 2080 Ti or Titan so there's really no chance of you getting a GPU with an actual power consumption over 300W (most likely it's going to be something around 200W) so I don't see a reason why you'd need a PSU with more than 500W anyway. Yes, AMD and nVidia like to put 700W PSUs as recommended minimum for a 200W GPU and 850W for a 300W GPU because some vendors (not manufacturers, vendors that just print a logo on blank 20$ PSUs bought in bulk from whichever Chinese manufacturer had some lying around) decided that because hooking up hardware with a combined TDP of 600W doesn't make a shitty 20$ 400W PSU immediately explode they can just sell it as 600W PSU for 80$. If you buy any of those PSUs you're asking for a fire anyway even if get a "700W" (actually 450-500W) that can just about power your build.

Okay that sounds all good thanks. I will double check the brand of the PSU I have currently to make sure it isn't a bad part but I'd assume since it's lasted me 5 years so far it probably isn't. And since you mentioned the RAM, do you have any suggestions on a different pair?

Also it's almost certainly just because I am not familiar with SSD's but I'm surprised I've never heard of any of the one's you mentioned, which I'm not going to lie does worry me a bit but I'll take your word for it and look at some reviews haha.

16-16-16-36 is the gold standard (and anything better is insanely expensive), but generally lower timings are better (assuming the same frequency). Even something like 17-19-19-39 is significantly better and should still be around the same price.
Ideally look for something that's on the mobo's QVL, meaning it's guaranteed to work with those settings.

Yes, looking at reviews is the correct course of action, don't just follow my word blindly. Don't look at sequential read/write speeds though they look nice and might actually meet what was advertised but you're not buying an SSD for that. Look at random aka IOPS, the actual reason for buying an SSD and mixed read + write because that is where bad controllers shit the bed.