People are exposed to different things at different times. I didn't know, I apologize for chastising everyone for their decisions. It'll be ok, just one team less in ESEA and we contributed (albeit now regretfully) to the season being solidified.

@27/28 GGWP thanks I was 16 and got into something I didn't understand and possibly for the wrong reasons. I am still integrating it.

Question back on topic, even though I'm sure the OG issue was resolved: do the league signup fees not cover the servers and organization required? To think of it, it does seem like it cuts close to pay employees with that amount of money, but it also could be within reason, I don't know how much they work on their TF2 leagues. As for the pug system, I doubt those things require repeated payment other than the original creation and the servers they run on.
Essentially, is the premium fee a digging for money because they have you in their pockets, multiple season subscribers of "Premium"?

I did a rough and quick calculation a few seasons back, but I doubt the numbers have changed much:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlK6UxMq1GKWdE5TUGJQNW9RenhGQUlUdHZBaElKRmc&usp=sharing

The entirety of league + subscription fees went directly into prize pot which was still further subsidized by ESEA.

Thanks, that's cool of you to have made that.
Welp, I guess it does make sense. There have to be so many players that don't care for a prizepot, I would imagine Open wouldn't have access to it and then it becomes a lot more fair? Why is the prizepot so large? Additionally, I would imagine they make their money through other means than direct player fees (sponsorships, donated resources, "ESEA Black" subscription lel), which makes me think of them not actually paying for the league from their "pocket".

It just rotates back around to that shitstorm thread about ESEA potentially not having enough for this season, where there has to be a better way than UGC or the CEVO attempt.

EDIT: But, that's for a different thread, which if others want to engage further, I'd be down to make for further discussion.

Except ESEA doesn't make a profit from TF2 at all. IIRC they're in the red from supporting it. Only reason it's still going is group size and Killing likes tf2

well they most likely make a profit overall, just not in tf2. If they were in the red then they would be forced to cut TF2.

@hooky I've used the ESEA client on dorm internet, Comcast, and Time Warner without needing port forwarding.

ZZ: client's working b0ss
lvl4: do u wanna go out with me
ZZ is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
ZZ: don't ask what it was
ZZ: i will never
ZZ: OKAY IT JUST SAID
ZZ: BOOTED FOR NOT READYING
ZZ: IN 2 MINUTE
ZZ: S
ZZ: I WAS SO SCARED