Don't know if anyone has heard about WESA but it's been blowing up all over the CSGO community and I wanted to make a thread about it.
Basically, ESL and the CEOs of some big orgs (Fnatic, Envyus, NiP, etc) have formed WESA, which is an organization that is supposedly going to be "the FIFA for esports" aka regulating leagues, making a structure, transparency, yadadada.
At first, it looks good. It would help to structure leagues, tournaments, etc. to what the players like, and that we can have consistency for tournaments and such.
But there's some big red lights about WESA. WESA claims that it wanted to include different leagues and tournament organizers, given that WESA wants to "regulate" all the leagues and tournaments", but MLG, Gfinity, CEVO, etc. confirmed that they weren't even asked to join WESA to begin with, which is suspicious considering WESA's stance.
So what does this mean? The biggest thing on everyone's mind is that ESL is trying to make an exclusive league for CSGO. Bascially, they sign contracts with the big teams and they can only play this league or ESL events only. And if they want to play in other events that aren't ESL, they'll get fined. This is obviously bad because it's a sign that ESL is trying to monopolize the CSGO market and leave the other competitors in the dust, especially in a time where CSGO is growing big.
There's a good thread on reddit that has a lot of info on what's going on: link
Also, sources say that ESL One Cologne will lose it's major status
Don't know if anyone has heard about WESA but it's been blowing up all over the CSGO community and I wanted to make a thread about it.
Basically, ESL and the CEOs of some big orgs (Fnatic, Envyus, NiP, etc) have formed [url=http://www.eslgaming.com/article/announcing-founding-wesa-world-esports-association-2856]WESA[/url], which is an organization that is supposedly going to be "the FIFA for esports" aka regulating leagues, making a structure, transparency, yadadada.
At first, it looks good. It would help to structure leagues, tournaments, etc. to what the players like, and that we can have consistency for tournaments and such.
But there's some big red lights about WESA. WESA claims that it wanted to include different leagues and tournament organizers, given that WESA wants to "regulate" all the leagues and tournaments", but [url=https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/731185882867306496]MLG[/url], [url=https://twitter.com/TheMartinWyatt/status/731194968379949057]Gfinity[/url], [url=https://twitter.com/chris_pipher/status/731192760338784256]CEVO[/url], etc. confirmed that they weren't even asked to join WESA to begin with, which is suspicious considering WESA's stance.
So what does this mean? The biggest thing on everyone's mind is that ESL is trying to make an exclusive league for CSGO. Bascially, they sign contracts with the big teams and they can only play this league or ESL events only. And if they want to play in other events that aren't ESL, they'll get fined. This is obviously bad because it's a sign that ESL is trying to monopolize the CSGO market and leave the other competitors in the dust, especially in a time where CSGO is growing big.
There's a good thread on reddit that has a lot of info on what's going on: [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4jl88q/wesa_explained_what_is_wesa_and_why_is_it/]link[/url]
Also, [url=https://twitter.com/KevinKnocke/status/733095921454473216]sources say that ESL One Cologne will lose it's major status[/url]
that would really suck if cologne lost its major status, only having 2 majors this year would be a huge blow to the scene
that would really suck if cologne lost its major status, only having 2 majors this year would be a huge blow to the scene
if we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.
edit: last two majors have been 1 million
if we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.
edit: last two majors have been 1 million
you know the majors are 1 mil now
you know the majors are 1 mil now
Fenryrif we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.
however valve is the one funding the tournaments, mlg still isn't the same things as esl or wesa. if wesa came to being, it would be nearly entirely controlled by esl / esea / turtle entertainment (same company). mlg could not host tounrmanets that wesa members can play in (navi nip etc) without possibly paying a fee
considering valve is the one funding this anyways why is there a need for this considering the community has had nothing but a positive reaction to the mlg columbus events
also dreamhacks are esl / esea events for csgo
[quote=Fenryr]if we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.[/quote]
however valve is the one funding the tournaments, mlg still isn't the same things as esl or wesa. if wesa came to being, it would be nearly entirely controlled by esl / esea / turtle entertainment (same company). mlg could not host tounrmanets that wesa members can play in (navi nip etc) without possibly paying a fee
considering valve is the one funding this anyways why is there a need for this considering the community has had nothing but a positive reaction to the mlg columbus events
also dreamhacks are esl / esea events for csgo
How to ruin a community 101
How to ruin a community 101
Because you know, FIFA has had just incredibly track record and should be emulated other places
Because you know, FIFA has had just incredibly track record and should be emulated other places
Pendayou know the majors are 1 mil now
My bad, I should check that before I say something like that but iirc up until end of 2015 it was still 250,000 and I haven't followed cs much since then.
fade-Fenryrif we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.
however valve is the one funding the tournaments, mlg still isn't the same things as esl or wesa. if wesa came to being, it would be nearly entirely controlled by esl / esea / turtle entertainment (same company). mlg could not host tounrmanets that wesa members can play in (navi nip etc) without possibly paying a fee
considering valve is the one funding this anyways why is there a need for this considering the community has had nothing but a positive reaction to the mlg columbus events
also dreamhacks are esl / esea events for csgo
MLG are partners with CEVO iirc and as far as leagues go, CEVO struggles to keep up to esea. I don't think with regards to LCS that is the reason why league is slowly going down in viewership, but I get where you're coming from. Overall I'd rather see the scene going but I haven't been a fan of cevo's interaction with the community in my experience at least.
[quote=Penda]you know the majors are 1 mil now[/quote]
My bad, I should check that before I say something like that but iirc up until end of 2015 it was still 250,000 and I haven't followed cs much since then.
[quote=fade-][quote=Fenryr]if we're talking about the development of cs into more of a dota/league level of esport many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months. I'd rather see a multi-million dollar prizepool that gets all sorts of coverage too since it's something definite that teams will shoot for other than "it's just another major there's gonna be another one pretty soon". Majors were helpful developing csgo from it's original, tiny playerbase but it's now got a huge playerbase and audience to move to a more developed plan.
Basically have a huge tournament to overshadow the others and make it a driving goal of cs along with smaller tournaments than having a bunch of 250,000 dollar majors with faceit and esl/esea giving equally as much money for top4 contenders.
Also: Fuck cevo with regards to cs, they don't give nearly as much proper attention to the community as esea has. Playing in a MLG tourney and a bit in regular season ages ago they had one of the worst interactions with my team along with many others, have no legitimate anticheat, awful servers with anus routing, and a lack of improvement.[/quote]
however valve is the one funding the tournaments, mlg still isn't the same things as esl or wesa. if wesa came to being, it would be nearly entirely controlled by esl / esea / turtle entertainment (same company). mlg could not host tounrmanets that wesa members can play in (navi nip etc) without possibly paying a fee
considering valve is the one funding this anyways why is there a need for this considering the community has had nothing but a positive reaction to the mlg columbus events
also dreamhacks are esl / esea events for csgo[/quote]
MLG are partners with CEVO iirc and as far as leagues go, CEVO struggles to keep up to esea. I don't think with regards to LCS that is the reason why league is slowly going down in viewership, but I get where you're coming from. Overall I'd rather see the scene going but I haven't been a fan of cevo's interaction with the community in my experience at least.
FenryrMLG are partners with CEVO iirc and as far as leagues go, CEVO struggles to keep up to esea. I don't think with regards to LCS that is the reason why league is slowly going down in viewership, but I get where you're coming from. Overall I'd rather see the scene going but I haven't been a fan of cevo's interaction with the community in my experience at least.
MLG aren't partnered with CEVO anymore.
However, CEVO are partnered with Gfinity.
[quote=Fenryr]
MLG are partners with CEVO iirc and as far as leagues go, CEVO struggles to keep up to esea. I don't think with regards to LCS that is the reason why league is slowly going down in viewership, but I get where you're coming from. Overall I'd rather see the scene going but I haven't been a fan of cevo's interaction with the community in my experience at least.[/quote]
MLG aren't partnered with CEVO anymore.
However, CEVO [i]are [/i]partnered with Gfinity.
well faze is about to leave, that was fast
well faze is about to leave, that was fast
Cologne is still a major
https://twitter.com/ESLCS/status/733122203215007745
Fenryrmany pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months.
this is incorrect, especially considering CS:GO majors are going to continue to be $1M from now on
most professionals (players, casters, production alike) would rather have multiple majors in one year, rather than that shit LoL runs or something with the international once a year, that would be (puke)
as a consumer I would much prefer to see multiple majors, even if the prizepool is less than a third of what an annual major could be
also was cluj $1M? I thought MLG was the only $1M major so far
[quote=Fenryr]many pros have said throughout streams that they'd rather have a higher prizepool tournament than just $250,000 majors each few months.[/quote]
this is incorrect, especially considering CS:GO majors are going to continue to be $1M from now on
most professionals (players, casters, production alike) would rather have multiple majors in one year, rather than that shit LoL runs or something with the international once a year, that would be (puke)
as a consumer I would much prefer to see multiple majors, even if the prizepool is less than a third of what an annual major could be
also was cluj $1M? I thought MLG was the only $1M major so far
"the FIFA for esports"
But there's some big red lights about WESA
so everything checks out then
[quote]"the FIFA for esports"[/quote]
[quote]But there's some big red lights about WESA[/quote]
so everything checks out then