Bc Reece did this
https://youtu.be/s3yEjz5jSHo

only semi related but
why do teams with 3 or 4 or even more class restricted players all restricted off their main 6v6 classes still get to play in that division? why not just move them up if they're all clearly too good to main class

Simple, no league should be able to determine who a player wishes to play on the same team with. Players who want to play with friends or to strictly have fun with "match only" teams should have that option open to them in a lower division.

The league shouldn't be able to make that impossible because an individual played in a higher Division. Class restrictions are a perfect balance for this concept and RGL is right to do it. I just wish the admins were more experienced in the scene so they can identify all the proper players who need to be restricted.

None of the restrictions come out of nowhere, they have statistical backing from logs, league experience, etc. We don't pull class restrictions out of our ass, we genuinely do a lot of research and investigation to try and validate every restriction we can. Most of the admins are involved in class restriction, a lot of times, admins with lower experience levels know better about players in lower divisions than say I would (the same affect in reverse for higher divisions). We also assist each other in looking at the logs/experiences of players when we are having a hard time deciding whether or not a player should be restricted. Sometimes we miss details and that leads to us overlooking some restrictions or being a bit too harsh. To be clear, restrictions are not set in stone and can be contested, and we acknowledge we are not perfect. I have on several occasions over the past year removed restrictions that were too harsh, or tried to work with a team to find the best situation for league stability and their enjoyment. Additionally, sometimes personal bias can really sway class restrictions in a bad way, so we try to stay as objective as possible.

TL;DR The admin staff has plenty of experience and support around them to make restrictions, they are not always absolute, and they don't just come from nowhere.

Invite/adv HL players often get restricted in lower divs off their main classes. This is mostly to prevent invite pyros, snipers, etc. from tearing up a division on those classes. I've witnessed IM/AM players get torn through by invite HL players on their respective mains, so for consistency and balance sake, HL experience can translate into a 6s class restrict.

That's all nice and I understand. I've personally found no less than 3 players in the last 2 weeks that have no restrictions placed at all but won or placed second in higher divisions. On top of that I am not trying to look and find them but coming across them randomly while doing some stats for the main division.

My last interactions with RGL admins have been so bad that I have 0 faith in anything at the moment.

Invite level teleporter and dispenser placement in lower divs must not go unchecked

Because it is a fun class, and we all know that fun isnt allowed.

yes playing against a aim-bot-stationary gun is fun, you caught them in the act!

ive heard this argument from more than 1 person and i don't really get why you need to do that in RGL. why not make a scrim only team instead of a match only team? especially in the low divisions where people clearly are still learning to play. RGL or any competitive league for that matter should be a place where everyone's trying their best on their main class. there's a reason people pugscrim all the time

Some people still enjoy a league ladder, or having set match dates, or having a league do some of the work for you by essentially scheduling a scrim twice a week. Whatever the reason why people do match-only teams, what reason is there to remove the option of allowing people to play in lower division with friends because of your own expectation of why people should be playing in a league? Removing options seems like a step backwards.

why do you have to play in a lower division just because you're playing with your friends? i think a lot of people just use playing with their friends as an excuse to play against lower level people and win without having to work as hard

Free him

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899838207640883313/958442901191421972/IMG_5595.png

Its possible some people do that but the overwhelming majority do not.

Those players could play in the higher division but a lot of times those match only teams are half filled with higher div players and half with lower div players. If they were forced to play in the upper division, they would get rolled easily in every match and it would not be fun which is the main goal of match only teams. Playing in a lower division with class restriction is the best alternative.

reece's team went 6-10 lol

I miss being able to put together match-only friend teams without getting fucked by rgl

we had the most fun tho so who really won that season?

You don't get it they deserve to win

you should be allowed to sandbag in any paid div but no one should ever be allowed to play pyro

If you're going to do a match-only team and are accepting class restrictions, that suggests it's a laidback team from the get-go. So, yes, the match-only teams don't want to work as hard as the team that scrims four days a week with a demo review on the weekends and each player having their own personal mentor. And I still don't see a compelling reason why the compromise of class restriction should be taken away because of your personal belief that people should be playing at their peak and strive to improve all the time.

I would like to mention that the first engie clip was my first match as a player ever, and our counter was a near perma heavy to reverse sweep.

https://logs.tf/2927720#76561198140668977

His entire question was really "why are people restricted from engineer but then allowed to play scout? and I agree with this question. If you are afraid that someone is going to tear up lower divs with the engi shotgun then doesn't it also make sense that they could do it with a scatter gun? Surely the reason hl engi players get banned from engi is because of their shotgun aim and not their high level building placements? Same should go for pyro as well. As in if you are going to ban someone from engi then they probably shouldn't be allowed to play pyro on account of pyro being a better shotgun class.

if u havent played against banny u shouldnt be allowed to say people have to play against banny

Tbh, the only reason the engi restriction exists is for consistency but I agree in that I don't think it affects the gameplay that much. That's in contrast to pyro/heavy/sniper where those classes have way higher skill ceilings so I think a class restriction is way more valid (we've had a lot of issues in the past in lower divs with HL players on those specific classes). Though I can see an argument for why people should be allowed to play their HL classes, it can massively hinder the development of lower level players as they never actually get to play 6s meta. It makes the game really difficult to learn/play if people spawn up HL classes instead of giving the opportunity for teams to learn the meta. To clarify, because we want lower divisions to be healthy in terms of competition/growth, and because HL gimmicks (essentially) do not work at higher levels, it's in our best interest to add restricts as to not turn players away. For example, an advanced team knows how to deal with a pyro/sniper much better than a newcomer/amatuer team (lead with and chariot scouts in fights/bomb and pressure the sniper with your projectiles).
Tl;dr the mechanics and gamesense of lower level players is not nearly adept enough to deal with offclasses, restricting allows for these players to get a sense of the actual game as they attempt to transition to higher divs.

https://i.imgur.com/LwArE29.jpeg

Pain.

At first I was a bit confused but after rereading this did answer my question nicely so thank you. I don't 100 percent agree with it but at least it is consistent/does make sense.

okay but imagine you’re getting pushed by full ad at last and your scout that spawns first isn’t allowed to play engi lol.