didnt know they were scheduled today? great that people wanna play and coach but i dont wanna burn people out

yeah i dunno
tf2lobby down definitely is drawing more attention to the mixes.

i would coach but im only mid open dont think i could :(

If you have experience and are kind enough / willing to teach the format you should mentor. There are so many people and we need to match the number of mentors.

dont worry shortbus theres alot of people not even mid open still coaching

They aren't.

We need to get these people playing on tf2mix.

exactly.

on a side note newbie mixes are great but they shouldn't be any noobs main source of play they need to get into #tf2mix (i have a huge irc tutorial coming soon that will help this process i hope). I do think coaches get burnt out of the mixes and that is why maybe they shouldn't be run constantly but hey that is now vick's decision :)

I like the idea of having them consistently there at the same time each week. now that it is the off season i think friday and saturday nights are perfect. lets try to give everyone a break throughout the rest of the week

Do you think newbiemix would benefit from a website? It seems like if it had an organized schedule and mentor signup/review system it could be pretty useful.

you could ask enigma to make a Newbie Mix subforum, so once they learn the basics of 6s they can move on to the recruitment. We should try to avoid splitting the community with another website :S

WHY ISNT TF2LOBBY UP HOLYSHIT

if lobby was up it wouldnt have been that bad at all. but honestly its good they were their lobbies suck ass now.

there's never going to be enough coaches. it's like a job that you don't get paid for.

just start referring people over to tf2mix, under the premise that tf2mix has people playing seriously on comp classes unlike tf2lobby

if we get a consistent schedule going i would love to coach every now and then i didnt even know it was happening last night in till late

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UunBW1h3jeI

Look, I coached a game. I have literally never played a season of ESEA. If you have played a season of ESEA in any fashion, you are qualified to coach. No eXcuses.

I will try to coach more. I need to improve my teaching/leadership skills though.

if people could announce a day before it happens i think people could coach more and would be more structured for the new guys.

this friday 9 EST. maybe ill ask for it to be on the upcoming events thing

Apparently #tf2mix is a complete shit fest as of late? The players in the newbie mix were talking about playing against basically full time pyros. Literally getting spawn camped for 15+ minutes when the other team could of clearly capped and won the game. On top of that apparently players just go mute for whole matches, not talking which generally implies they're fucking around.

I played like 4 of them yesterday just to see, and one of them was alright, the other one enigma's team got rolled badly on process and our pocket randomly off classed spy, and our scouts would change randomly. Then gullywash was just a shit fest where when it was 4-0 the enemy team just never capped last, they'd fight us win, then just back up to second and fuck around with off classes again. Hence why newbie mix players are making their own pug groups(http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tf2newbiepugs) or just going into the newbie mix mumble and playing un officials.

So #tf2mix is different from the NA 6v6 Newbie Mixes. Which of these are you talking about?

I'm talking about #tf2mix, which Vick and BD have been telling admins to send the newbie mix players to. I don't know if #tf2mix is just bad because tf2lobby recently went down, or if it was always that way, but i definitely wouldn't recommend new players who are trying to learn, to play #tf2mix in its current state.

Honestly I think pug.na should be for the better players like it used to be about a year ago, then tf2.pug should be for all those open and lower players then tf2.mix for all the newbie mix people, then pugna wont have people that barely can play and tf2mix wont have IM vs newbiemix happening

Newbie channels always need heavy moderation. Too many people mess around.

Also, tf2mix should probably ban offclassing all together. Even if pyro/heavy/sniper can be useful, new players should be focusing on getting better at the major classes.

Whenever I've played #tf2mix the pugs were generally pretty good.

I think private pug groups are also good (that's what I did when I first played TF2 and the newbie mixes stopped), but I want tf2mix to do well too because it's a really good idea.

I think we need to just start banning people from tf2mix if they are trolling. No other way around it :p

Also, the Newbie Mixes only officially run Friday and Saturday nights as of now. There were no official newbie mixes last night. Honestly, 2 nights is far more than enough work for the coaches and organizers involved and if newbies want to pug they have other resources (private PUG groups, IRC channels). Every time I've gone to the newbie mix channel when there are no official pugs going I've seen more than enough people to start pugs on pug.na or tf2mix.

In the same sentence you are using these words: "complete shit fest" + "as of late", then a few sentences later you clearly state that your sample is only 4 games from one day.

Obviously the average PUG quality will go down a notch when a major site like TF2Lobby is broken, coupled with the promotion from the guys from (newbie mixes). I am grateful of all the promotion the guys are doing for us.

If what you are seeking for is high level PUGs then I would recommend you to wait for the captain round with a bigger player pool. Or even better, wait for the next version of the PUG system, you will like it because that's probably the PUG experience you want.

I am working my hardest to promote the channel while at the same time improve / fix everything related to it. In the meantime if you see behaviors you don't like please inform politely the users first and if nothing is done on their part advise an admin. Yesterday I did hang out all day in the channel and nobody reported to me a major event like that, that needs to be reported because an admin has to pass the message.

Here's the feature / bug list I am currently working on for those who are interested: https://github.com/550/tf2ib/issues?state=open

I'm not talking about myself, i personally don't pug that much aside from private pugs with friends. Outside of my own experience, the rest of my opinion is based, off of responses from newbie mix players. Vick said that pug channel was quite good when he played in it(hence the as of late part). Yeah i'm guessing a lot of it has to do with lobby players, but I was more so responding to the fact that people are sending new players that are trying to learn the game into #tf2mix, when it's a toss up as to whether it'll be a good game or basically a lobby.

there are always going to be a couple of bad apples, but from the games i've played, i've never noticed any douchebaggery

i think your overall expectations of newer players are just a tad high

Thomas is a moron. Take that into account whenever he says or posts anything. Also he doesnt really play TF2 as much as he uses the community as a social outlet who likes to stir up drama. He is like a Snooki of comp TF2.

Ouch that's not a very polite way to argue with someone. As for not playing tf2 i play like 30-40 hours a week, and clock way to much time in MGE(though MGE is more so just for fun).

And i don't use this as a social outlet at all, in 2 years now i have 32 posts between the two comp community sites and a total of like 6-9 "controversial" posts.

And @Enigma i don't know maybe expectations are to high. I have no idea as for personal experience on cp_process yesterday when I played vs you, we more then likely could of rolled your team pretty quickly 4-5 times in a row, we instead started off classing, and messing around. Doing stuff like pushing a heavy out of last to try and fist your medic, going engi to build a level three on offense, hell at the end i got off of demo to play spy, because it had basically become a lobby.