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ESEA-Open Power Rankings Week 7
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July 10, 2013

Ques is on vacation or something this week, so our writing cast is back down to 2 this time around. Granary went pretty much as expected, but gullywash has some more interesting matchups.


1. undefated at rastlemnaia (12-0)

by London
  • Dingo
  • Wrech
  • coconut
  • pot
  • slinky
  • arctic joe

With four matches left in the season and boasting an untarnished record, undefated at rastlemnaia is experiencing some trouble in paradise. While it's surprising for this late in the season, there are some crazy roster changes in store for our uncontested number one team which have come with less than ideal timing. Ikpure will be departing on medic with Dingo moving from roamer to replace him, coconut will be moving to roamer from pocket and wrech will be putting the pocket boots on. After looking at some recent scrims, this current line-up might kill the dream of 16-0 for Pot and the boys as they have lost to teams they have never lost to previously this season. Despite all these misgivings, gullywash should go over without too many speed bumps with matches against We Kings Now and Never Stop Greeting, but it remains to be seen if this current roster is as strong as the original one.


2. Fried Green Tomatoes (10-2)

by London
  • OMZ
  • tshirts
  • Buckweet
  • mASTER
  • North^star
  • Bape

Granary week wasn't too rough for buckweet and the boys with a forfeit win from zaboomacrew and a clean 5-2 victory over the Anzaldua Peckers. Tshirts has fit in with the team nicely and they are looking like they have recovered from their slight roster shake-up. Their last couple matches of the season are going to be fun ones as they face Bretty Bueno and big hams this week on gullywash. They shouldn't have too much of a problem with big hams despite how good that team looked two weeks ago, but their second match will be a lot closer against Bretty Bueno which will be covered for Match of the Week. With a 10-2 record it would take a massive losing streak for fgt to fall out of a good seed for playoffs, but the time to relax hasn't come quite yet as an unfortunate loss can mean an inconvenient seed.


3. Dango Daikazoku (11-1)

by conductor
  • Screwball
  • Sneakypolarbear
  • testify
  • DifferentColors
  • icTus
  • reilly

Dango had some mixed results last week - on one hand they put out a dominant 5-1 showing over bretty bueno, but on the other hand they only scraped a 5-4 win over we kings now. I'll attribute the latter to the fact that the team's soldiers have recently swapped roles which has probably caused some cohesion issues. Assuming that there has been adequate time for them to adjust to the change, things should hopefully continue to go smoothly for them once again. They're matched up against Team Echelon and Animus Victoria this week. Echelon is going to be a roll, but the game against Animus will be a curious indicator to whether the former number 2 team will continue their fall from grace.


4. Animus Victoria (10-2)

by conductor
  • Cheeriss
  • blue
  • Fearless
  • Blackymonster
  • kraka
  • Noko

Another week, another Animus Victoria roster change. They have now picked up Cheeriss on medic and Fearless has once again made his return on roamer. Animus lost their second game of the season last week against pandamonium, but I'm fairly certain it was a case of Animus playing below standards rather than panda going above and beyond. The question heading into this week is whether they will continue their subpar performance or if their new pickups can stabilize their shaky play; their matches against Dango and Bretty Bueno it should be good indicators.


5. Bretty Bueno 5 out of 5 (10-2)

by London
  • soggypancake
  • aim
  • hle
  • eddeh
  • Antwan
  • vkr

Bretty Bueno had a taste of Dango last week with a 5-1 loss on granary. The match was a little one sided following some client issues which prevented hle from playing in the match - forcing their backup messiah to fill in a role he wasn't all that familiar with. This next week will pitch them against Fried Green Tomatoes and Yoshis Island. Yoshis Island has hit a steep losing streak against the other high open teams and will most likely be getting rolled on over by Bretty Bueno, but I wouldn't be surprised if they grab a round or two. Their second match is our Match of the Week against Fried Green Tomatoes which should be a fun match to watch. Looking at their schedule for the rest of the season, they should be able to secure a decent seed for playoffs as long as they don't lose all of their matches, although two losses would be enough to put them in the middle of the pack.


6. Bubble Buddies (9-3)

by conductor
  • braz
  • peyton
  • tophu
  • crux
  • ghostac
  • djinn

Bubble Buddies did lose both of their matches on granary, but the results were some of the more interesting ones of the week. Their first game saw them having a strong showing against rastlemania, managing to take 3 rounds - more than any other team has this season. They then proceeded to lose to Bretty Bueno 5-3 despite walking away from the game with more damage and frags. This points to some inconsistencies that I'm hoping the soapy compatriots will be able to iron out come playoffs. Bubble Buddies go up against Never Stop Greeting and Animus Victoria this week. Neither match will be easy for them, but gullywash is as good of a map as any for crux to go nuts on.


7. The Flying Circus (9-3)

by London
  • tooth
  • bsc
  • Wowzers
  • Zambler
  • monkeysuit
  • vortex

When I found out that DrDonutman had left the team, I was a little scared for how it would effect Monkey Suit and his ever changing roster. After they picked up danascully last week I breathed a little easier until I found out that dana wouldn't be playing the rest of the season with them. What this means is that they will be looking at their fourth or fifth medic for the season which has to be some sort of record. Thankfully their next matches are well within the team's purview as they will be facing two mid-open teams that they shouldn't have an issue beating. This team will most likely end the season 12-4, though it appears that they are only scheduled for fifteen matches (hello? ESEA?). As for medic replacements, it looks like tooth has jumped on board, so we'll see how long he lasts in this tumultuous position.


8. Never Stop Greeting (9-3)

by conductor
  • Dart
  • Breloom
  • Hellbent
  • kwazi
  • Let it Riot
  • Bigwill

We have yet another roster change this week with June stepping back and Breloom taking the reins. This team hasn't scrimmed in something like 2 weeks, so it's really hard to tell what kind of performance they're going to put on. If they start to take this season more seriously they have the potential to be one of the more dominant teams in open, but only time will tell. They face off against Rastlemania and Bubble Buddies this week. As is, I really don't see them putting much of a scratch in the current open favorites, but the match against Bubble Buddies should be a good one.


9. we kings now (9-3)

by conductor
  • Lydiaxa
  • drduke
  • lamb
  • dan
  • GrieVe
  • jerr0

Granary week was a bit surprising from we kings now. They took 4 rounds off of Dango Daikazoku, and had a much more convincing victory over Yoshi's Island than I ever expected them to. We kings now have begun to solidify their standing as a top ten team, but they still fall short of being a title contender. They play against rastlemania and pandamonium this week; rastlemania will be a roll, but the match against pandamonium should be an interesting sign of whether or not their match against Animus was a fluke.


10. Lzuruha Pandamonium (11-2)

by London
  • SocialistFish
  • Gravegun
  • Zander
  • Sildeezy
  • Panda
  • DZK

Well it looks like Pandamonium has really hit their stride with a big win over Animus Victoria last week 5-2, proving that they are a threat to the other playoff hopefuls. The match itself wasn't too exciting as far as granary goes, but Hippo and his fuzzy friends played well. This week they will be tested again with a match against we kings now on a map with a notoriously difficult last point to push into, and some geography that can reward more passive teams. I'm really not sure how well a super passive strategy will work against Pandamonium but it should make for an interesting matchup either way. With a 10-2 record, even losing three of their remaining four matches will mean they will most likely make playoffs, but don't be surprised if they finish the season 13-3 even 12-4.


Teams to watch:
  • Yoshis Island
  • The Anzaldua Peckers
  • Get Wrecked
  • Street Hoops eSports
  • Team Echelon

Match of the Week: Fried Green Tomatoes vs Bretty Bueno
by Conductor
  • OMZ
  • tshirts
  • Buckweet
  • mASTER
  • North^star
  • Bape

  • soggypancake
  • aim
  • hle
  • eddeh
  • Antwan
  • vkr

Bretty Bueno faces another large obstacle this week with a match against Fried Green Tomatoes. Fgt is the clear favorite coming into this match, but the game will likely be closer than most would assume. Gullywash is riddled with narrow chokepoints and the mid fights are very demo centric, and I would argue that Eddeh slightly edges out mASTER in the dm department. That being said, Fgt does have the upper hand with their scouts and soldiers, and I'm expecting that to end up winning them post uber fights. I'm going to give this game to Fried Green Tomatoes 5-3.


The dreaded mid-open bubble has descended upon Season 14 as we just have these last two weeks to decide the final seeding for playoffs. At this point, as long as your team only has 4 losses, you technically still have a shot. With the majority of the current top 16 having very few losses its going to come down to the wire even for some 12-4 teams. It also means that a lot of the teams that have been creeping outside the top 10 will have a chance to secure a spot, but even one loss at this critical time could be enough to make or break the season. Most notably bouncing around the standings right now are Team Echelon, Street Hoops eSports, the Mad Boys, and Immortal Six. Considering most of these teams will be playing each other in the next two weeks, there will definitely be some heated competition during viaduct week.

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Awesome stuff

Awesome stuff
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You can go ahead and remove Pandamonium from the power rankings. This whole season was spent with us trying to get a ranking above 10th. We're dead fuck this game.

You can go ahead and remove Pandamonium from the power rankings. This whole season was spent with us trying to get a ranking above 10th. We're dead [u][i][b]fuck this game[/b][/i][/u].
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As far as I know icTus will be finishing the season on scout in place of sinval (he's playing this week at the very least).

Also, you missed the WL record for Bretty Bueno

As far as I know icTus will be finishing the season on scout in place of sinval (he's playing this week at the very least).

Also, you missed the WL record for Bretty Bueno
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ded

ded
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good read

good read
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good read

Also this is 10 medics in 2 seasons.

Add me to play medic for us next season, we'll be taking at least 3.

good read

Also this is 10 medics in 2 seasons.

Add me to play medic for us next season, we'll be taking at least 3.
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noob london change the avatar for Lzuruha Pandamonium

noob london change the avatar for Lzuruha Pandamonium
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GravegunYou can go ahead and remove Pandamonium from the power rankings. This whole season was spent with us trying to get a ranking above 10th. We're dead fuck this game.

but you guys accomplished that immediately

http://teamfortress.tv/articles/view/144 http://teamfortress.tv/articles/view/135

I honestly haven't been paying as much attention as I was at the beginning of the season though so sorry if you think you should be higher up or something

reillyAs far as I know icTus will be finishing the season on scout in place of sinval (he's playing this week at the very least).

Also, you missed the WL record for Bretty Bueno

changed the roster and thanks for catching that

vowelnoob london change the avatar for Lzuruha Pandamonium

my b I missed that, fixed

[quote=Gravegun]You can go ahead and remove Pandamonium from the power rankings. This whole season was spent with us trying to get a ranking above 10th. We're dead [u][i][b]fuck this game[/b][/i][/u].[/quote]

but you guys accomplished that immediately

http://teamfortress.tv/articles/view/144 http://teamfortress.tv/articles/view/135

I honestly haven't been paying as much attention as I was at the beginning of the season though so sorry if you think you should be higher up or something

[quote=reilly]As far as I know icTus will be finishing the season on scout in place of sinval (he's playing this week at the very least).

Also, you missed the WL record for Bretty Bueno[/quote]

changed the roster and thanks for catching that

[quote=vowel]noob london change the avatar for Lzuruha Pandamonium[/quote]

my b I missed that, fixed
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False alarm guys we're not dead yet. We are officially changing our name to Bring The Ruckus. Prepare your fucking anus.

False alarm guys we're not dead yet. We are officially changing our name to Bring The Ruckus. Prepare your fucking anus.
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conductormy b I missed that, fixed

They just pulled one on you conductor and changed their avatar again

[quote=conductor]
my b I missed that, fixed[/quote]

They just pulled one on you conductor and changed their avatar again
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Another mistake:
The links for The Flying Circus and Bubble Buddies both point to the opposite teams roster.

Animus links to Dango, Dango links to Fried Green, and Fried Green links to Animus.

Too be honest I'm not sure how you manage it, but heh.

Edit: I fucking figured it out. You didn't edit the links from last week.

Another mistake:
The links for The Flying Circus and Bubble Buddies both point to the opposite teams roster.

Animus links to Dango, Dango links to Fried Green, and Fried Green links to Animus.

Too be honest I'm not sure how you manage it, but heh.

Edit: I fucking figured it out. You didn't edit the links from last week.
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You have pandamonium's roster wrong by the way. We were shifting players around, but we finally settled on this lineup, because it just felt right.

Socialist fish has had a somewhat successful season as roamer, but something just didn't fit. He's found his calling (no pun intended) main calling as medic.

Hippo, while a -decent- demo, has had some un-resolveable personal conflicts with certain members of our team, and we've decided to let him go. It's a sad thing to see one of the team's original members go, but we'll pull through. For now, I'll be donning the eye patch and kilt, grenade launcher in hand, and stepping in as our starting demo.

In yet another roster conundrum, Nate Rivers can no longer play tf2. For those who don't know, Nate is actually an up and coming competition barbecue chef, who has been very successful in local events on the east coast. Recently, he's sort of blown up and is getting a lot of shots at some pretty big money and camera time in some pretty high end venues. He has decided to persue his dream of becoming a tv cooking show host, and we all wish the best for him. DZK has been picked up as his replacement in the meantime, but we're hoping to pick up DM legend, TWSS, on scout as a permanent replacement.

The current lineup is as follows:

Medic: SocialistFish
Demo: Sildeezy
Scouts: DZK
Scouts: Panda
Pocket: Gravegun
Roamer: Zander

Thanks for your time and effort. See you on the battlefield!

You have pandamonium's roster wrong by the way. We were shifting players around, but we finally settled on this lineup, because it just felt right.

Socialist fish has had a somewhat successful season as roamer, but something just didn't fit. He's found his calling (no pun intended) main calling as medic.

Hippo, while a -decent- demo, has had some un-resolveable personal conflicts with certain members of our team, and we've decided to let him go. It's a sad thing to see one of the team's original members go, but we'll pull through. For now, I'll be donning the eye patch and kilt, grenade launcher in hand, and stepping in as our starting demo.

In yet another roster conundrum, Nate Rivers can no longer play tf2. For those who don't know, Nate is actually an up and coming competition barbecue chef, who has been very successful in local events on the east coast. Recently, he's sort of blown up and is getting a lot of shots at some pretty big money and camera time in some pretty high end venues. He has decided to persue his dream of becoming a tv cooking show host, and we all wish the best for him. DZK has been picked up as his replacement in the meantime, but we're hoping to pick up DM legend, TWSS, on scout as a permanent replacement.

The current lineup is as follows:

Medic: SocialistFish
Demo: Sildeezy
Scouts: DZK
Scouts: Panda
Pocket: Gravegun
Roamer: Zander

Thanks for your time and effort. See you on the battlefield!
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wrong wrong

wrong wrong
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interesting write-up. Bsc is the greatest.

interesting write-up. Bsc is the greatest.
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sildeezyPocket: Gravegun

omg gravegun actually trying

[quote=sildeezy]
Pocket: Gravegun
[/quote]
omg gravegun actually trying
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This roster will be stronger give us some more scrim time. We were getting frustrated during scrims and I felt that we had been plateauing for a while, so we decided to make the roster changes.

ps the Flying Circus link goes to the bubble buddies' roster page.

This roster will be stronger give us some more scrim time. We were getting frustrated during scrims and I felt that we had been plateauing for a while, so we decided to make the roster changes.

ps the Flying Circus link goes to the bubble buddies' roster page.
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dingo is a dece med, and wrech is a better pocket than coconut, could work out

also big panda back on scout hell yeh

dingo is a dece med, and wrech is a better pocket than coconut, could work out

also big panda back on scout hell yeh
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Pandamonium at 10th?
R u mentally deficient?

Pandamonium at 10th?
R u mentally deficient?
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By the way, I've been doing the math because my team is on the edge of that playoff bubble, and 12-4 is guaranteed playoffs unless some really wacky stuff happens. 2 or 3 11-5 teams should make it.

Again, this is if things generally hold up to the current standings. 22 teams currently control their own destiny and only one team, rastlemania, technically has clinched a playoff spot. For all intents and purposes, however, Dango, Bueno, and Animus have also clinched spots. I'd add Pandamonium to that group, and they'll all but certainly make it, but they have a really nasty last two weeks including matches against rastlemania and dango, and if they lose both of those, all it would take is a we kings now upset to put them on the 11-5 bubble.

I'll probably make another thread highlighting some of the more interesting schedule quirks moving forward (for instance, if the standings hold true, we kings now will not make the playoffs), but I just wanted to throw some of the preliminary stuff I've seen into this thread because more people will see it probably.

By the way, I've been doing the math because my team is on the edge of that playoff bubble, and 12-4 is guaranteed playoffs unless some really wacky stuff happens. 2 or 3 11-5 teams should make it.

Again, this is if things generally hold up to the current standings. 22 teams currently control their own destiny and only one team, rastlemania, technically has clinched a playoff spot. For all intents and purposes, however, Dango, Bueno, and Animus have also clinched spots. I'd add Pandamonium to that group, and they'll all but certainly make it, but they have a really nasty last two weeks including matches against rastlemania and dango, and if they lose both of those, all it would take is a we kings now upset to put them on the 11-5 bubble.

I'll probably make another thread highlighting some of the more interesting schedule quirks moving forward (for instance, if the standings hold true, we kings now will not make the playoffs), but I just wanted to throw some of the preliminary stuff I've seen into this thread because more people will see it probably.
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ToastyTHTPandamonium at 10th?
R u mentally deficient?

the only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.

[quote=ToastyTHT]Pandamonium at 10th?
R u mentally deficient?[/quote]


the only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.
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london_callingthe only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.

Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.

[quote=london_calling]
the only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.[/quote]

Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.
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sildeezyThe current lineup is as follows:

Alright thanks for letting me know the new roster, I updated it

I fixed the links too - I forgot to change those from last week, my bad (again)

[quote=sildeezy]The current lineup is as follows:[/quote]

Alright thanks for letting me know the new roster, I updated it

I fixed the links too - I forgot to change those from last week, my bad (again)
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tooth is the best medic i've ever played with

tooth is the best medic i've ever played with
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triplemintlondon_callingthe only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.
Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.

Don't kid yourself

Considering that animus victoria is realistically far from a top 3 team and that pandamonium played us when I was in washington and we had brad pocketing, these aren't exactly red flags that pot's team is about to lose.

[quote=triplemint][quote=london_calling]
the only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.[/quote]

Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.[/quote]

Don't kid yourself

Considering that animus victoria is realistically far from a top 3 team and that pandamonium played us when I was in washington and we had brad pocketing, these aren't exactly red flags that pot's team is about to lose.
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triplemintlondon_callingthe only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.
Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.

they are playing rastlemnaia on viaduct FYI. have fun with arctic joe and pot on that shitfest of a map.

[quote=triplemint][quote=london_calling]
the only team they've beaten that was any good was animus victoria. they have plenty of time to prove that they should be higher playing dango and pot's team next week. don't be fucking rude.[/quote]

Pandamonium has only been scheduled against two power ranking teams, both of whom they beat convincingly. They haven't lost on 5cp all season.

Call me crazy, but I think pandamonium just be the team to spoil rastlemnaia's perfect season.[/quote]

they are playing rastlemnaia on viaduct FYI. have fun with arctic joe and pot on that shitfest of a map.
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pot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.

pot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.
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Mr_Owlpot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.

lol

[quote=Mr_Owl]pot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.[/quote]

lol
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Mr_Owlpot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.

i agree, considering that they were consistently beating the lower half of IM nearly all season in scrims its pretty safe to say that even teams in the top 5 of open would have a hard time even taking rounds off of them.

[quote=Mr_Owl]pot's team isn't going to lose. The gap between them and every other team in open is larger than many people seem to think, even with the roster changes. wrech is more than capable of filling in admirably for them.

I think that if Never Stop Greeting had made it a priority to win open this season, they could challenge (or if Animus had kept a steady roster, maybe), but the guys on rastle pretty much eat sleep and breath tf2 and just aren't going to lose to anyone in this open season.[/quote]

i agree, considering that they were consistently beating the lower half of IM nearly all season in scrims its pretty safe to say that even teams in the top 5 of open would have a hard time even taking rounds off of them.
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bsctooth is the best medic i've ever played with

doesn't quite drop you like slipz did, huh? :D

[quote=bsc]tooth is the best medic i've ever played with[/quote]
doesn't quite drop you like slipz did, huh? :D
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