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Can the admins chime in and let us know which teams are headed to main and which aren't?
Can the admins chime in and let us know which teams are headed to main and which aren't?
QuesCan the admins chime in and let us know which teams are headed to main and which aren't?
They really can't right now for three reasons:
1. IM playoffs are still underway - we don't know which team is getting bumped up to Invite via winning the IM division.
2. Teams with standing IM rosters will die/reformat in the offseason.
3. Playoff Open teams need to decide whether they're going up or not - and not all of them are going to bring a new roster into IM.
There were about 7 IM teams that died mid-season. BIG BOYS just recently closed up shop and are not going to play next season under their roster. That means we have 17 remaining teams in IM. Let's say 15 of those 17 properly reformat or survive to S15. Now factor in that there will be about 1-3 teams that are cannibalized/called-up to fill out a 10 team Invite.
At this stage you're left with about 12-16 IM teams - and maybe 13 Open call-ups. There are a few ways Killing can draw the line here based on what we know now.
Both IM and Main are going to be very small, intimate divisions in which everybody knows everybody.
[quote=Ques]Can the admins chime in and let us know which teams are headed to main and which aren't?[/quote]
They really can't right now for three reasons:
1. IM playoffs are still underway - we don't know which team is getting bumped up to Invite via winning the IM division.
2. Teams with standing IM rosters will die/reformat in the offseason.
3. Playoff Open teams need to decide whether they're going up or not - and not all of them are going to bring a new roster into IM.
There were about 7 IM teams that died mid-season. BIG BOYS just recently closed up shop and are not going to play next season under their roster. That means we have 17 remaining teams in IM. Let's say 15 of those 17 properly reformat or survive to S15. Now factor in that there will be about 1-3 teams that are cannibalized/called-up to fill out a 10 team Invite.
At this stage you're left with about 12-16 IM teams - and maybe 13 Open call-ups. There are a few ways Killing can draw the line here based on what we know now.
Both IM and Main are going to be very small, intimate divisions in which everybody knows everybody.
They really can't right now for three reasons:
1. IM playoffs are still underway - we don't know which team is getting bumped up to Invite via winning the IM division.
2. Teams with standing IM rosters will die/reformat in the offseason.
3. Playoff Open teams need to decide whether they're going up or not - and not all of them are going to bring a new roster into IM.
There were about 7 IM teams that died mid-season. BIG BOYS just recently closed up shop and are not going to play next season under their roster. That means we have 17 remaining teams in IM. Let's say 15 of those 17 properly reformat or survive to S15. Now factor in that there will be about 1-3 teams that are cannibalized/called-up to fill out a 10 team Invite.
At this stage you're left with about 12-16 IM teams - and maybe 13 Open call-ups. There are a few ways Killing can draw the line here based on what we know now.
Both IM and Main are going to be very small, intimate divisions in which everybody knows everybody.
#6
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.
Edit:
For all we know every s14 IM team that was even somewhat competitive will be moving up and the new IM will be filled with the top third of last season's open and the absolute bottom of s14 IM. Considering all we are going on now is lpkane's "10+ team main" it's really hard to make any accurate speculation.
#6
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.
Edit:
For all we know every s14 IM team that was even somewhat competitive will be moving up and the new IM will be filled with the top third of last season's open and the absolute bottom of s14 IM. Considering all we are going on now is lpkane's "10+ team main" it's really hard to make any accurate speculation.
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.
Edit:
For all we know every s14 IM team that was even somewhat competitive will be moving up and the new IM will be filled with the top third of last season's open and the absolute bottom of s14 IM. Considering all we are going on now is lpkane's "10+ team main" it's really hard to make any accurate speculation.
Benk#6
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.
1. The x-y condition is dependent upon the results of IM playoffs AND the status of S15 Invite.
2. The 1-z condition is dependent upon how many Open teams actually move up. Keep in mind that there are 3+ teams each cycle that either die and/or do not promote themselves due to other issues.
Let's say you took the top 8 from IM and then the next four from Open. That gives you 12. The "new IM" would then consist of 8-9 promoted teams + the 4-5 non-playoff IM teams. IM would be only 2-3 teams bigger than Main - which may or may not be a good thing.
Would killing be ok with:
10 teams in Invite
10-12 teams in Main
13-16 teams in IM
65-90 teams in Open
...only he can answer that question.
[quote=Benk]#6
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.[/quote]
1. The x-y condition is dependent upon the results of IM playoffs AND the status of S15 Invite.
2. The 1-z condition is dependent upon how many Open teams actually move up. Keep in mind that there are 3+ teams each cycle that either die and/or do not promote themselves due to other issues.
Let's say you took the top 8 from IM and then the next four from Open. That gives you 12. The "new IM" would then consist of 8-9 promoted teams + the 4-5 non-playoff IM teams. IM would be only 2-3 teams bigger than Main - which may or may not be a good thing.
Would killing be ok with:
10 teams in Invite
10-12 teams in Main
13-16 teams in IM
65-90 teams in Open
...only he can answer that question.
At least they can say like "we are planning on taking the x-y spots from IM, and the 1-z spots from open into main." Of course it wouldn't be set in stone but it would give borderline IM/Main teams an idea of what to be expecting.[/quote]
1. The x-y condition is dependent upon the results of IM playoffs AND the status of S15 Invite.
2. The 1-z condition is dependent upon how many Open teams actually move up. Keep in mind that there are 3+ teams each cycle that either die and/or do not promote themselves due to other issues.
Let's say you took the top 8 from IM and then the next four from Open. That gives you 12. The "new IM" would then consist of 8-9 promoted teams + the 4-5 non-playoff IM teams. IM would be only 2-3 teams bigger than Main - which may or may not be a good thing.
Would killing be ok with:
10 teams in Invite
10-12 teams in Main
13-16 teams in IM
65-90 teams in Open
...only he can answer that question.
I don't think 4 open teams going to main would be a good idea.
I don't think 4 open teams going to main would be a good idea.
I don't see why they would move so few teams from open up.
Basically what you suggested would be keeping the same teams moving out of open as past seasons, and simply splitting what would have been IM in half.
If the purpose is to have skill more evenly divided between divisions, that would really do nothing to ease the gap between high and low open. What I suggested in my edit seems more logical to me. That being:
9-10 team invite made of surviving invite teams, rebuilt invite teams, and two moveups from s14 IM.
~12 team Main formed by ranks 3-12 from s14 IM and 1-2 from s14 open.
~28 team IM from the bottom few teams of s14 IM and the top ~25 from s14 open, except ranks 1 and 2.
50+ team open from remaining open teams and new teams.
This way the expected "top open" would be moved to IM, hence lowering the skill ceiling of open and allowing low teams to stand a better chance.
Of course it would also be best if some judgement could be made about placing new teams with previous invite/IM experience in IM to further remove "top open", but i doubt that will happen.
I don't see why they would move so few teams from open up.
Basically what you suggested would be keeping the same teams moving out of open as past seasons, and simply splitting what would have been IM in half.
If the purpose is to have skill more evenly divided between divisions, that would really do nothing to ease the gap between high and low open. What I suggested in my edit seems more logical to me. That being:
9-10 team invite made of surviving invite teams, rebuilt invite teams, and two moveups from s14 IM.
~12 team Main formed by ranks 3-12 from s14 IM and 1-2 from s14 open.
~28 team IM from the bottom few teams of s14 IM and the top ~25 from s14 open, except ranks 1 and 2.
50+ team open from remaining open teams and new teams.
This way the expected "top open" would be moved to IM, hence lowering the skill ceiling of open and allowing low teams to stand a better chance.
Of course it would also be best if some judgement could be made about placing new teams with previous invite/IM experience in IM to further remove "top open", but i doubt that will happen.
Basically what you suggested would be keeping the same teams moving out of open as past seasons, and simply splitting what would have been IM in half.
If the purpose is to have skill more evenly divided between divisions, that would really do nothing to ease the gap between high and low open. What I suggested in my edit seems more logical to me. That being:
9-10 team invite made of surviving invite teams, rebuilt invite teams, and two moveups from s14 IM.
~12 team Main formed by ranks 3-12 from s14 IM and 1-2 from s14 open.
~28 team IM from the bottom few teams of s14 IM and the top ~25 from s14 open, except ranks 1 and 2.
50+ team open from remaining open teams and new teams.
This way the expected "top open" would be moved to IM, hence lowering the skill ceiling of open and allowing low teams to stand a better chance.
Of course it would also be best if some judgement could be made about placing new teams with previous invite/IM experience in IM to further remove "top open", but i doubt that will happen.
It may not be the best idea, but it may be nessesary to get enough teams in the division for its debut season.
I've heard chill to good may "die" and then play in open off classing. Don't know if that's true for sure, just a rumor. Either way tho, if the plan was to take the top 10 IM teams from this season and move them up to main there is a good chance some of those teams will be dead by then. Truly top open teams should be able to hang in main this first season.
It may not be the best idea, but it may be nessesary to get enough teams in the division for its debut season.
I've heard chill to good may "die" and then play in open off classing. Don't know if that's true for sure, just a rumor. Either way tho, if the plan was to take the top 10 IM teams from this season and move them up to main there is a good chance some of those teams will be dead by then. Truly top open teams should be able to hang in main this first season.
I've heard chill to good may "die" and then play in open off classing. Don't know if that's true for sure, just a rumor. Either way tho, if the plan was to take the top 10 IM teams from this season and move them up to main there is a good chance some of those teams will be dead by then. Truly top open teams should be able to hang in main this first season.
"Expected top open"? I've seen many teams in that category play the actual season and go 9-7 or 10-6.
Maybe I'm going to be wrong, but I don't see Killing moving up non-playoff teams into a higher division. That would be breaking their own fundamental rules as outlined in regards to IM and Main divisions in all games.
Why not this:
10 Invite
10-16 Main (best available IM teams willing to go up)
18-24 IM (IM survivors + promoted Open teams)
70+ Open
This layout would be more balanced in my opinion.
"Expected top open"? I've seen many teams in that category play the actual season and go 9-7 or 10-6.
Maybe I'm going to be wrong, but I don't see Killing moving up non-playoff teams into a higher division. That would be breaking their own fundamental rules as outlined in regards to IM and Main divisions in all games.
Why not this:
10 Invite
10-16 Main (best available IM teams willing to go up)
18-24 IM (IM survivors + promoted Open teams)
70+ Open
This layout would be more balanced in my opinion.
Maybe I'm going to be wrong, but I don't see Killing moving up non-playoff teams into a higher division. That would be breaking their own fundamental rules as outlined in regards to IM and Main divisions in all games.
Why not this:
10 Invite
10-16 Main (best available IM teams willing to go up)
18-24 IM (IM survivors + promoted Open teams)
70+ Open
This layout would be more balanced in my opinion.
It doesn't make sense moving the same number of people up from open when there's a new division being formed above it. Top 4 from Open to main, and 5-21 into IM. Top 10 from IM go into Main as well giving us a 10-12 team main and about a 24 team IM considering how many teams die in the off season.
edit: maybe top 2 from open instead of 4 because 3 and 4 probably wont be competitive. 2-11 for IM to Main because the top team should go to invite.
It doesn't make sense moving the same number of people up from open when there's a new division being formed above it. Top 4 from Open to main, and 5-21 into IM. Top 10 from IM go into Main as well giving us a 10-12 team main and about a 24 team IM considering how many teams die in the off season.
edit: maybe top 2 from open instead of 4 because 3 and 4 probably wont be competitive. 2-11 for IM to Main because the top team should go to invite.
edit: maybe top 2 from open instead of 4 because 3 and 4 probably wont be competitive. 2-11 for IM to Main because the top team should go to invite.
yo i know its been awhile but i also know that captains were notified if their rosters were moving up, and i was trying to get a better picture of who is going to be in the division next season.
as far as i know:
knights of grillz=going to invite
6cuties=in the poll
the sals canal/DBJ hybrid team=also in the poll?
storytime with marxist-reforming in main
rent-a-homies-in main sans nomadic
new faith church gaming-sup kev? whats going on brother?
tonights entertainment-mostly the same roster in main
baby dick gaming-some roster shakeups
playground tactics-reforming in main
down to pound-new team with dbw and some other bros.
tragedys a comin-not sure if theyre moving up but i know peyote wants to continue with the roster
from there on out i'm pretty sure the only two teams that aren't dead in IM are sharknado and trans autistic. if they do move up the winner of this season's Open thats gonna be like 10 teams or so in the division. gonna be cozy.
also have scrimmed a team with ctrlfmuffin, mr slin, waffleb and watt that was pretty good, not sure what roster theyre gonna grab.
yo i know its been awhile but i also know that captains were notified if their rosters were moving up, and i was trying to get a better picture of who is going to be in the division next season.
as far as i know:
knights of grillz=going to invite
6cuties=in the poll
the sals canal/DBJ hybrid team=also in the poll?
storytime with marxist-reforming in main
rent-a-homies-in main sans nomadic
new faith church gaming-sup kev? whats going on brother?
tonights entertainment-mostly the same roster in main
baby dick gaming-some roster shakeups
playground tactics-reforming in main
down to pound-new team with dbw and some other bros.
tragedys a comin-not sure if theyre moving up but i know peyote wants to continue with the roster
from there on out i'm pretty sure the only two teams that aren't dead in IM are sharknado and trans autistic. if they do move up the winner of this season's Open thats gonna be like 10 teams or so in the division. gonna be cozy.
also have scrimmed a team with ctrlfmuffin, mr slin, waffleb and watt that was pretty good, not sure what roster theyre gonna grab.
as far as i know:
knights of grillz=going to invite
6cuties=in the poll
the sals canal/DBJ hybrid team=also in the poll?
storytime with marxist-reforming in main
rent-a-homies-in main sans nomadic
new faith church gaming-sup kev? whats going on brother?
tonights entertainment-mostly the same roster in main
baby dick gaming-some roster shakeups
playground tactics-reforming in main
down to pound-new team with dbw and some other bros.
tragedys a comin-not sure if theyre moving up but i know peyote wants to continue with the roster
from there on out i'm pretty sure the only two teams that aren't dead in IM are sharknado and trans autistic. if they do move up the winner of this season's Open thats gonna be like 10 teams or so in the division. gonna be cozy.
also have scrimmed a team with ctrlfmuffin, mr slin, waffleb and watt that was pretty good, not sure what roster theyre gonna grab.
london_callingsnip
what is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night
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what is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night
what is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night
Queslondon_callingsnipwhat is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night
sakura said he got a message telling him he was moved up. i think the crunchy bunch roster is on the cusp.
new playground is going to be myself, insom, lambert, antwan, puff, and xep.
[quote=Ques][quote=london_calling]snip[/quote]
what is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night[/quote]
sakura said he got a message telling him he was moved up. i think the crunchy bunch roster is on the cusp.
new playground is going to be myself, insom, lambert, antwan, puff, and xep.
what is the playground roster looking like?
also pey hasn't been notified about a move up unless that happened today/last night[/quote]
sakura said he got a message telling him he was moved up. i think the crunchy bunch roster is on the cusp.
new playground is going to be myself, insom, lambert, antwan, puff, and xep.
im making a main team, msg me on steam for deets
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im making a main team, msg me on steam for deets
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are we getting moved up? killing?
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067
are we getting moved up? killing?
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067
cabinare we getting moved up?
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067
as far as i know, you guys should be going up.
[quote=cabin]are we getting moved up?
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067[/quote]
as far as i know, you guys should be going up.
http://play.esea.net/teams/66067[/quote]
as far as i know, you guys should be going up.
How many teams will there even be in IM then next season? If Invite is 10 and Main is 10, what's the number for IM? I know CSGO has like 40 teams in IM but that's because there are way more teams.
How many teams will there even be in IM then next season? If Invite is 10 and Main is 10, what's the number for IM? I know CSGO has like 40 teams in IM but that's because there are way more teams.
first season of im in tf2 had 16
first seasons of main in cs all had 24
first season of im in tf2 had 16
first seasons of main in cs all had 24
first seasons of main in cs all had 24
At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
ParagonAt least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??
[quote=Paragon]At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.[/quote]
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??
yo kevkev msg me if your team dies i need a good black scout
yo kevkev msg me if your team dies i need a good black scout
london_callingParagonAt least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.
[quote=london_calling][quote=Paragon]At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.[/quote]
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??[/quote]
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??[/quote]
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.
ParagonAt least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?
[quote=Paragon]At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.[/quote]
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?
ScholarParagonAt least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?
AFAIK at least a few of the upper open teams are already scrimming IM teams, I'm not entirely convinced that the top of open is that far below at least some of the IM teams
[quote=Scholar][quote=Paragon]At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.[/quote]
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?[/quote]
AFAIK at least a few of the upper open teams are already scrimming IM teams, I'm not entirely convinced that the top of open is that far below at least some of the IM teams
so 12 new industs? why not earn your spot by playing IM?[/quote]
AFAIK at least a few of the upper open teams are already scrimming IM teams, I'm not entirely convinced that the top of open is that far below at least some of the IM teams
Paragonlondon_callingParagonAt least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.
so you guys and pots team? i think i like that idea actually.
[quote=Paragon][quote=london_calling][quote=Paragon]At least top two seeds in open confirmed for main as well.[/quote]
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??[/quote]
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.[/quote]
so you guys and pots team? i think i like that idea actually.
who confirmed this? killing? kalkin??[/quote]
Confirmed by killing via steam message with crespi.[/quote]
so you guys and pots team? i think i like that idea actually.
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