I'm pretty stingy when i go out and say that i really "like" a player, but max! really is a great sniper, probably top 5 at the moment (aim wise).
now to keep his ego in check, he might be one of the least aware players ive ever played with (including me)
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I'm pretty stingy when i go out and say that i really "like" a player, but max! really is a great sniper, probably top 5 at the moment (aim wise).
now to keep his ego in check, he might be one of the least aware players ive ever played with (including me)
now to keep his ego in check, he might be one of the least aware players ive ever played with (including me)
If Sheep's today performance was his standard ( and not a one-in-a-lifetime thing ) , then Sheep by a mile. Never seen anything like that.
If Sheep's today performance was his standard ( and not a one-in-a-lifetime thing ) , then Sheep by a mile. Never seen anything like that.
It's really hard to say who the best sniper is, though it's clearly not even close to being me (but I appreciate the support, guys).
The thing with sniping is the 6v6 style has moved so far away from it you only get to see it once in a blue moon, and usually only after that particular sniper gets a crucial pick and justifies to his team "well I'm too far away from spawn, better stay on it ." That player either soon after dies and that ends that, or he chains together some nice kills and becomes the greatest sniper ever (in our eyes).
In reality there are a ton of really awesome snipers at the top level of competition. The bare-bones of sniping is really just aiming and at the top level there are many players who are really good at that (take clockwork for instance). It usually just comes down to who is hot and who makes a big shot at a big moment; but I think trying to say who is the best is a really difficult thing. Especially in 6v6, as sniping is really so situational and dependent on teammates and the like. (it's different to a degree in highlander as sniper v sniper is more of a thing, but sniper v sniper is so dumb in tf2, again it's really a fruitless argument).
In the end all you can do is come up with a list of consistently impressive snipers. Here is my short list:
Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.
It's really hard to say who the best sniper is, though it's clearly not even close to being me (but I appreciate the support, guys).
The thing with sniping is the 6v6 style has moved so far away from it you only get to see it once in a blue moon, and usually only after that particular sniper gets a crucial pick and justifies to his team "[i]well I'm too far away from spawn, better stay on it [/i]." That player either soon after dies and that ends that, or he chains together some nice kills and becomes the greatest sniper ever (in our eyes).
In reality there are a ton of really awesome snipers at the top level of competition. The bare-bones of sniping is really just aiming and at the top level there are many players who are really good at that (take clockwork for instance). It usually just comes down to who is hot and who makes a big shot at a big moment; but I think trying to say who is the best is a really difficult thing. Especially in 6v6, as sniping is really so situational and dependent on teammates and the like. (it's different to a degree in highlander as sniper v sniper is more of a thing, but sniper v sniper is so dumb in tf2, again it's really a fruitless argument).
In the end all you can do is come up with a list of consistently impressive snipers. Here is my short list:
[b]Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White[/b]
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.
The thing with sniping is the 6v6 style has moved so far away from it you only get to see it once in a blue moon, and usually only after that particular sniper gets a crucial pick and justifies to his team "[i]well I'm too far away from spawn, better stay on it [/i]." That player either soon after dies and that ends that, or he chains together some nice kills and becomes the greatest sniper ever (in our eyes).
In reality there are a ton of really awesome snipers at the top level of competition. The bare-bones of sniping is really just aiming and at the top level there are many players who are really good at that (take clockwork for instance). It usually just comes down to who is hot and who makes a big shot at a big moment; but I think trying to say who is the best is a really difficult thing. Especially in 6v6, as sniping is really so situational and dependent on teammates and the like. (it's different to a degree in highlander as sniper v sniper is more of a thing, but sniper v sniper is so dumb in tf2, again it's really a fruitless argument).
In the end all you can do is come up with a list of consistently impressive snipers. Here is my short list:
[b]Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White[/b]
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.
decaphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS-ZdwKSoN0#t=53
interp, or it didn't happen
[quote=decap][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS-ZdwKSoN0#t=53[/youtube][/quote]
interp, or it didn't happen
interp, or it didn't happen
BLoodSire Here is my short list:
Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.
Those are the exact three that stick out in my mind the most.
Syckness was also very impressive to me back when he played.
[quote=BLoodSire] Here is my short list:
[b]Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White[/b]
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.[/quote]
Those are the exact three that stick out in my mind the most.
Syckness was also very impressive to me back when he played.
[b]Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White[/b]
There are many impressive snipers, but I would say these 3 have impressed me on the most consistent basis.[/quote]
Those are the exact three that stick out in my mind the most.
Syckness was also very impressive to me back when he played.
Did Yz-50 ever have a good showing as sniper or was he mostly just a scout?
Did Yz-50 ever have a good showing as sniper or was he mostly just a scout?
AndKennethDid Yz-50 ever have a good showing as sniper or was he mostly just a scout?
[quote=AndKenneth]Did Yz-50 ever have a good showing as sniper or was he mostly just a scout?[/quote]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ONJpa8aCc&t=1m14s[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ONJpa8aCc&t=1m14s[/youtube]
I dont know who's the best in the world but from the small part I have been watching EU scene I was always impressed by some snipers (flippy, tviq, greg, jukebox, cookye, even schocky altough he barely plays it)
Zerox was crazy as well, but I didn't follow comp that much during his time
I dont know who's the best in the world but from the small part I have been watching EU scene I was always impressed by some snipers (flippy, tviq, greg, jukebox, cookye, even schocky altough he barely plays it)
Zerox was crazy as well, but I didn't follow comp that much during his time
Zerox was crazy as well, but I didn't follow comp that much during his time
it's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.
it's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.
renxzenBLoodSireSheep, Jukebox, Justin White
Are they on AutoAim?
If not c'mon bloodsire, hit that invite button
all but Justin who denied the request
Sheep is actually one of the oldest AA members who still plays I can think of.
Sylvesterit's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players (unless also 6v6 players) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at (easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies) and more of a focus on you when you snipe (since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him).
Sniper v sniper can be challenging, but it's more of a nuisance, and in my experience it makes sniping in highlander it's own little mini-game. It's fun and I love it, but I would never pride myself or admire another sniper for their ability to counter-snipe, specifically when in TF2 it is so one dimensional.
It is true that there is a skill and talent to counter-sniping that you don't often see in 6v6 (anymore that is: back in the day gravelpit was all sniper v sniper, and maps like freight/yukon/follower saw a lot of sniper v sniper action), I just don't think that skill is anything particular spectacular. No one is putting the counter-snipe kill in their frag-vid, HL or not.
[quote=renxzen][quote=BLoodSire][b]Sheep, Jukebox, Justin White[/b]
[/quote]
Are they on AutoAim?
If not c'mon bloodsire, hit that invite button[/quote]
all but Justin who denied the request
Sheep is actually one of the oldest AA members who still plays I can think of.
[quote=Sylvester]it's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.[/quote]
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]).
Sniper v sniper can be challenging, but it's more of a nuisance, and in my experience it makes sniping in highlander it's own little mini-game. It's fun and I love it, but I would never pride myself or admire another sniper for their ability to counter-snipe, specifically when in TF2 it is so one dimensional.
It is true that there is a skill and talent to counter-sniping that you don't often see in 6v6 ([i]anymore that is: back in the day gravelpit was all sniper v sniper, and maps like freight/yukon/follower saw a lot of sniper v sniper action[/i]), I just don't think that skill is anything particular spectacular. No one is putting the counter-snipe kill in their frag-vid, HL or not.
[/quote]
Are they on AutoAim?
If not c'mon bloodsire, hit that invite button[/quote]
all but Justin who denied the request
Sheep is actually one of the oldest AA members who still plays I can think of.
[quote=Sylvester]it's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.[/quote]
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]).
Sniper v sniper can be challenging, but it's more of a nuisance, and in my experience it makes sniping in highlander it's own little mini-game. It's fun and I love it, but I would never pride myself or admire another sniper for their ability to counter-snipe, specifically when in TF2 it is so one dimensional.
It is true that there is a skill and talent to counter-sniping that you don't often see in 6v6 ([i]anymore that is: back in the day gravelpit was all sniper v sniper, and maps like freight/yukon/follower saw a lot of sniper v sniper action[/i]), I just don't think that skill is anything particular spectacular. No one is putting the counter-snipe kill in their frag-vid, HL or not.
Sylvesterit's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.
Meh... What Bloodsire said but also, there's no risk in running sniper full time in HL. Since you're forced to run sniper if you don't do well, well... you don't do well.
In 6s you can run a scout or soldier and even if you're a bad scout/soldier you can still do stuff like bombing, flanking, support/protect better players, spam.
You are sacrificing movement, spam and sustained damage output for that burst damage/pick. If you don't do well as sniper you are asking your team to win 5v6. It's a big risk, especially in a tournament.
[quote=Sylvester]it's cool that you can snipe in 6s but hl snipers are pretty cool too because there's this thing called countersniping
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.[/quote]
Meh... What Bloodsire said but also, there's no risk in running sniper full time in HL. Since you're forced to run sniper if you don't do well, well... you don't do well.
In 6s you can run a scout or soldier and even if you're a bad scout/soldier you can still do stuff like bombing, flanking, support/protect better players, spam.
You are sacrificing movement, spam and sustained damage output for that burst damage/pick. If you don't do well as sniper you are asking your team to win 5v6. It's a big risk, especially in a tournament.
max, hugh laurie, some others.
as for 6s, sheep is fucking amazing.[/quote]
Meh... What Bloodsire said but also, there's no risk in running sniper full time in HL. Since you're forced to run sniper if you don't do well, well... you don't do well.
In 6s you can run a scout or soldier and even if you're a bad scout/soldier you can still do stuff like bombing, flanking, support/protect better players, spam.
You are sacrificing movement, spam and sustained damage output for that burst damage/pick. If you don't do well as sniper you are asking your team to win 5v6. It's a big risk, especially in a tournament.
questionIf Sheep's today performance was his standard ( and not a one-in-a-lifetime thing ) , then Sheep by a mile. Never seen anything like that.
now imagine playing against this in every single scrim and match
:/
[quote=question]If Sheep's today performance was his standard ( and not a one-in-a-lifetime thing ) , then Sheep by a mile. Never seen anything like that.[/quote]
now imagine playing against this in [i]every single scrim and match[/i]
:/
now imagine playing against this in [i]every single scrim and match[/i]
:/
powah when he is ready for the match with or without the high ping
powah when he is ready for the match with or without the high ping
BLoodSireIn my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players (unless also 6v6 players) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at (easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies) and more of a focus on you when you snipe (since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him).
my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo
[quote=BLoodSire]
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]). [/quote]
my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]). [/quote]
my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo
MaxiBLoodSireIn my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players (unless also 6v6 players) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at (easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies) and more of a focus on you when you snipe (since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him).my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.
[quote=Maxi][quote=BLoodSire]
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]). [/quote]
my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo[/quote]
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.
In my experience, and not to bring on the HL hate, but HL players ([i]unless also 6v6 players[/i]) really have no concept of how to dodge to avoid a sniper or are just to involved in other things to take the time to do it, whereas in 6v6 almost all players go into "can't headshot me" mode when they try to attack a sniper. This makes 6's sniping much harder, compounded by the fact that there are less players to shoot at ([i]easy targets like pyros, heavies, and engies[/i]) and more of a focus on you when you snipe ([i]since whenever a sniper appears in a 6v6 game the other team usually makes it their modus operandi to kill him[/i]). [/quote]
my experience is pretty much exactly the opposite, seasoned highlander players make an effort to not be easy to snipe whereas the invite players in highlander are easier to hit in comparison (mabey they forget theres always a sniper?). ive never played high level 6s, and pretty much all of my experience sniping in 6s is pugs or mixes so i could be wrong here but like i said this is just what ive seen.
the pressure to preform in 6s i imagine to be much higher though because when someone doesnt do well on sniper everyone remembers and when i dont do anything in highlander (90% of the time) nobody notices woohoo[/quote]
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.
vanillaI think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.
im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case
[quote=vanilla]
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.[/quote]
im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.[/quote]
im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case
blood, do you still have your tfc videos uploaded?
blood, do you still have your tfc videos uploaded?
It's likely my small sample size of HL at various level's was not a good indicator, but the few things I always took away from it was
1) remember to look for other snipers spawn time and shoot him first if he's good
2) no one dodges correctly
3) spies are devilspawn
this could just be my lopsided experience of playing against mostly invite 6's players versus a general pool of HL players from plat to unknown. I didn't mean to make sweeping generalizations, which I did, so that wasn't cool on my part
but I would stand by the blanket statement that sniping in 6v6 is harder than in highlander, by just the nature of the two... it's not an indictment on highlander, highlander sniping is a "freer" venue, and that makes things significantly easier, regardless of competition
kirbyblood, do you still have your tfc videos uploaded?
I don't, Kirby. There was one Jh made and he had it on his youtube but he took it down much to my sadness :[
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun
It's likely my small sample size of HL at various level's was not a good indicator, but the few things I always took away from it was
1) remember to look for other snipers spawn time and shoot him first if he's good
2) no one dodges correctly
3) spies are devilspawn
this could just be my lopsided experience of playing against mostly invite 6's players versus a general pool of HL players from plat to unknown. I didn't mean to make sweeping generalizations, which I did, so that wasn't cool on my part
but I would stand by the blanket statement that sniping in 6v6 is harder than in highlander, by just the nature of the two... it's not an indictment on highlander, highlander sniping is a "freer" venue, and that makes things significantly easier, regardless of competition
[quote=kirby]blood, do you still have your tfc videos uploaded?[/quote]
I don't, Kirby. There was one Jh made and he had it on his youtube but he took it down much to my sadness :[
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun
1) remember to look for other snipers spawn time and shoot him first if he's good
2) no one dodges correctly
3) spies are devilspawn
this could just be my lopsided experience of playing against mostly invite 6's players versus a general pool of HL players from plat to unknown. I didn't mean to make sweeping generalizations, which I did, so that wasn't cool on my part
but I would stand by the blanket statement that sniping in 6v6 is harder than in highlander, by just the nature of the two... it's not an indictment on highlander, highlander sniping is a "freer" venue, and that makes things significantly easier, regardless of competition
[quote=kirby]blood, do you still have your tfc videos uploaded?[/quote]
I don't, Kirby. There was one Jh made and he had it on his youtube but he took it down much to my sadness :[
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun
MaxivanillaI think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case
High level highlander players are definitely not idiots, and they don't intentionally walk into sightlines or move super predictably. However, since there are 50% more players running around on the other team on similarly sized maps, it just means that you'll generally have more opportunities. In 6s, there's not only fewer players, but they are positioned much more carefully because even the smallest amount of damage can make a difference in the upcoming fights. So yeah, snipers in both formats are there to get picks during stalemates, but there's always a lot more action going on during stalemates in highlander than in 6s.
Edit: Not to mention that pushing/holding last in 5cp with 6v6 is VERY different than pushing/holding last on payload in 9v9.
[quote=Maxi][quote=vanilla]
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.[/quote]
im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case[/quote]
High level highlander players are definitely not idiots, and they don't intentionally walk into sightlines or move super predictably. However, since there are 50% more players running around on the other team on similarly sized maps, it just means that you'll generally have more opportunities. In 6s, there's not only fewer players, but they are positioned much more carefully because even the smallest amount of damage can make a difference in the upcoming fights. So yeah, snipers in both formats are there to get picks during stalemates, but there's always a lot more action going on during stalemates in highlander than in 6s.
Edit: Not to mention that pushing/holding last in 5cp with 6v6 is VERY different than pushing/holding last on payload in 9v9.
I think 6s players in general would be easier to snipe, but only until they know there's a sniper on the field. After that, they (the good ones) will dodge much more unpredictably, and will take very good care to avoid the sightlines. The latter especially makes a difference because then the sniper only gets like one or two good opportunities to hit shots, so he REALLY has to make them count, whereas in highlander, you generally can just take shots continuously since there is almost always a target.[/quote]
im really out of my element here and you make a good point but from what ive seen in the recent games is that they are trying to get picks in or out of last where the conditions arent much different than highlander. Also i understand there isnt alot of respect for highlander around here which is why i dont usually post here but you make it sound like people just stand in sightlines waiting to get shot which isnt usually the case[/quote]
High level highlander players are definitely not idiots, and they don't intentionally walk into sightlines or move super predictably. However, since there are 50% more players running around on the other team on similarly sized maps, it just means that you'll generally have more opportunities. In 6s, there's not only fewer players, but they are positioned much more carefully because even the smallest amount of damage can make a difference in the upcoming fights. So yeah, snipers in both formats are there to get picks during stalemates, but there's always a lot more action going on during stalemates in highlander than in 6s.
Edit: Not to mention that pushing/holding last in 5cp with 6v6 is VERY different than pushing/holding last on payload in 9v9.
BLoodSireI don't, Kirby. There was one Jh made and he had it on his youtube but he took it down much to my sadness :[
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun
Damn, that sucks. Your TFC were neato. Sniping in TFC was something else. I always wondered, if you could have sniping work in TF2 like it did in TFC (hold m1, release to shoot), would you?
When you start streaming again, you should see if there are any servers that aren't full of bots and play a few rounds.
[quote=BLoodSire]I don't, Kirby. There was one Jh made and he had it on his youtube but he took it down much to my sadness :[
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun[/quote]
Damn, that sucks. Your TFC were neato. Sniping in TFC was something else. I always wondered, if you could have sniping work in TF2 like it did in TFC (hold m1, release to shoot), would you?
When you start streaming again, you should see if there are any servers that aren't full of bots and play a few rounds.
I still have some tfc demos, and I plan to start up streaming again since I'm back from vaca, so I might load up tfc and take a look at them soon. 2 of the demos I have were from when they called me a cheater and I had to submit them, so those could be fun[/quote]
Damn, that sucks. Your TFC were neato. Sniping in TFC was something else. I always wondered, if you could have sniping work in TF2 like it did in TFC (hold m1, release to shoot), would you?
When you start streaming again, you should see if there are any servers that aren't full of bots and play a few rounds.
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