WandumI really don't see the point in hacking, it completely removes the fun of improving.
I don't think people who cheat give a shit about improving to be honest
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[quote=Wandum]I really don't see the point in hacking, it completely removes the fun of improving.[/quote]
I don't think people who cheat give a shit about improving to be honest
I don't think people who cheat give a shit about improving to be honest
Whoever studied law in life will probably understand me better. The zero tolerence or the 100% tolerence are both wrong in general, and I believe there's something in between that WORKS. To make some of you understand, you guys know better than me that there are some states in US that applys death penalty or life in prison and others that don't. I don't wanna judge which one is better, but the states that don't apply these sentences they probably believe in rehab (or sort of), which means that someone who did something wrong can possibly come back and live in society. And even the states which death penalty or life in prison are legal, don't apply these senteces to every criminal.
But here you guys are talking about cheating on an online game in a 'small' community, which can be that guy who has always cheated in his life in a lot of alts and in every league and that guy who used an aimbot to kill bots on tr_walkway. There are many reasons for cheating but i believe that all of them are 'curable' or avoidable. The worst thing for these guys has already happened, they got caught and exposed. Of course I don't agree with cheating, but I don't think these guys deserves to be banned from the community forever as it was the worst 'crime' in tf2, specially because some/all of them weren't caught in leagues. Banning forever will just encourage cheaters to make theirs alts legit and they will probably keep cheating, which is not the goal of ban 0. My humble sugestion is to allow them to play but keep an eye on them, or ban the player in his main class for a period of time.
Whoever studied law in life will probably understand me better. The zero tolerence or the 100% tolerence are both wrong in general, and I believe there's something in between that WORKS. To make some of you understand, you guys know better than me that there are some states in US that applys death penalty or life in prison and others that don't. I don't wanna judge which one is better, but the states that don't apply these sentences they probably believe in rehab (or sort of), which means that someone who did something wrong can possibly come back and live in society. And even the states which death penalty or life in prison are legal, don't apply these senteces to every criminal.
But here you guys are talking about cheating on an online game in a 'small' community, which can be that guy who has always cheated in his life in a lot of alts and in every league and that guy who used an aimbot to kill bots on tr_walkway. There are many reasons for cheating but i believe that all of them are 'curable' or avoidable. The worst thing for these guys has already happened, they got caught and exposed. Of course I don't agree with cheating, but I don't think these guys deserves to be banned from the community forever as it was the worst 'crime' in tf2, specially because some/all of them weren't caught in leagues. Banning forever will just encourage cheaters to make theirs alts legit and they will probably keep cheating, which is not the goal of ban 0. My humble sugestion is to allow them to play but keep an eye on them, or ban the player in his main class for a period of time.
But here you guys are talking about cheating on an online game in a 'small' community, which can be that guy who has always cheated in his life in a lot of alts and in every league and that guy who used an aimbot to kill bots on tr_walkway. There are many reasons for cheating but i believe that all of them are 'curable' or avoidable. The worst thing for these guys has already happened, they got caught and exposed. Of course I don't agree with cheating, but I don't think these guys deserves to be banned from the community forever as it was the worst 'crime' in tf2, specially because some/all of them weren't caught in leagues. Banning forever will just encourage cheaters to make theirs alts legit and they will probably keep cheating, which is not the goal of ban 0. My humble sugestion is to allow them to play but keep an eye on them, or ban the player in his main class for a period of time.
now we confirmed insom never cheat in tf2. please lock this post
now we confirmed insom never cheat in tf2. please lock this post
insom is such a nice person likeable, i met him in an orange server and from that he would always invite me to pugs and say i was good, and it made me feel good. He is really funny but his sniping can get annoying sometimes. id hate to see him shunned by the community because of a stupid mistake he made.
oh and i've deleted him a couple times ( my whole friends list too ) but he would keep adding me back DONT HATE HIM HES AWESOME
insom is such a nice person likeable, i met him in an orange server and from that he would always invite me to pugs and say i was good, and it made me feel good. He is really funny but his sniping can get annoying sometimes. id hate to see him shunned by the community because of a stupid mistake he made.
oh and i've deleted him a couple times ( my whole friends list too ) but he would keep adding me back DONT HATE HIM HES AWESOME
oh and i've deleted him a couple times ( my whole friends list too ) but he would keep adding me back DONT HATE HIM HES AWESOME
Well, like any tightly-knit comp community, threads like these get a bit long-winded on the drama side of things, but in the end we seem to get it right. Cheating in any MP game is unacceptable, and it's something to be taken seriously. Any cheater should expect their reputation to take a massive hit and to become a massive burden to their team. Pretty straightforward. I think most here appreciate the importance of keeping cheaters in check.
To follow up on your comments, eiz0, for better or worse here in NA we play in a rigid league, concerned more with a business approach to competition than, one might argue, the greater good. This allows any player in poor-standing a chance to continue playing, unless they get caught by ESEA client. Any kid worth his salt is bound to be picked up by a team eventually if they are good enough, despite reputation. You see it in CS community all the time, not to mention that almost all of the american pro sports leagues offer pretty lax penalties for first-time offenses.
There's countless examples of players who have redeemed themselves through skill, which is kinda cool when you think about it. Some people will disagree, but I think what we have in NA is decent system for a difficult problem.
Well, like any tightly-knit comp community, threads like these get a bit long-winded on the drama side of things, but in the end we seem to get it right. Cheating in any MP game is unacceptable, and it's something to be taken seriously. Any cheater should expect their reputation to take a massive hit and to become a massive burden to their team. Pretty straightforward. I think most here appreciate the importance of keeping cheaters in check.
To follow up on your comments, eiz0, for better or worse here in NA we play in a rigid league, concerned more with a business approach to competition than, one might argue, the greater good. This allows any player in poor-standing a chance to continue playing, unless they get caught by ESEA client. Any kid worth his salt is bound to be picked up by a team eventually if they are good enough, despite reputation. You see it in CS community all the time, not to mention that almost all of the american pro sports leagues offer pretty lax penalties for first-time offenses.
There's countless examples of players who have redeemed themselves through skill, which is kinda cool when you think about it. Some people will disagree, but I think what we have in NA is decent system for a difficult problem.
To follow up on your comments, eiz0, for better or worse here in NA we play in a rigid league, concerned more with a business approach to competition than, one might argue, the greater good. This allows any player in poor-standing a chance to continue playing, unless they get caught by ESEA client. Any kid worth his salt is bound to be picked up by a team eventually if they are good enough, despite reputation. You see it in CS community all the time, not to mention that almost all of the american pro sports leagues offer pretty lax penalties for first-time offenses.
There's countless examples of players who have redeemed themselves through skill, which is kinda cool when you think about it. Some people will disagree, but I think what we have in NA is decent system for a difficult problem.
gr8stalinanecdote about gatmasta
I want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.
That said, I just hope London's money crew doesn't get too much flak for this, they're cool people. While insom made a pretty dumb fuckin decision with impeccably bad timing but I think it's pretty clear he doesn't hack in TF2 and this, unlike some of those other cases, deserves to be forgotten about.
[quote=gr8stalin]anecdote about gatmasta[/quote]
I want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.
That said, I just hope London's money crew doesn't get too much flak for this, they're cool people. While insom made a pretty dumb fuckin decision with impeccably bad timing but I think it's pretty clear he doesn't hack in TF2 and this, unlike some of those other cases, deserves to be forgotten about.
I want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.
That said, I just hope London's money crew doesn't get too much flak for this, they're cool people. While insom made a pretty dumb fuckin decision with impeccably bad timing but I think it's pretty clear he doesn't hack in TF2 and this, unlike some of those other cases, deserves to be forgotten about.
There is no tf2 police.
The only authority over esea is esea. If they don't ban him then he's free to play and that's that. Fog decides if he can play on his servers and Enigma decides if he can post on tf.tv. Outside of that, he just needs to find five people willing to play with a guy who hacked in CS:GO. Some people see this as something that destroys his credibility in tf2 and some people don't think it's a big deal at all. The bottom line is, unless you're one of the five other people he's trying to be on a team with, or hold power with esea, then your opinion doesn't really affect much.
There is no tf2 police.
The only authority over esea is esea. If they don't ban him then he's free to play and that's that. Fog decides if he can play on his servers and Enigma decides if he can post on tf.tv. Outside of that, he just needs to find five people willing to play with a guy who hacked in CS:GO. Some people see this as something that destroys his credibility in tf2 and some people don't think it's a big deal at all. The bottom line is, unless you're one of the five other people he's trying to be on a team with, or hold power with esea, then your opinion doesn't really affect much.
The only authority over esea is esea. If they don't ban him then he's free to play and that's that. Fog decides if he can play on his servers and Enigma decides if he can post on tf.tv. Outside of that, he just needs to find five people willing to play with a guy who hacked in CS:GO. Some people see this as something that destroys his credibility in tf2 and some people don't think it's a big deal at all. The bottom line is, unless you're one of the five other people he's trying to be on a team with, or hold power with esea, then your opinion doesn't really affect much.
I still think people are forgetting why people are making a big deal out of any hacking anymore. There is no real repercussions for hacking anymore. Most hackers have 4-5 free tf2 accounts to mess around with their hacks in order to keep their main account "legit", or not vacced. To do that before free to play, you would have to spend extra money to buy tf2. While it wasn't really expensive, at least it was a small deterrent.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.
I still think people are forgetting why people are making a big deal out of any hacking anymore. There is no real repercussions for hacking anymore. Most hackers have 4-5 free tf2 accounts to mess around with their hacks in order to keep their main account "legit", or not vacced. To do that before free to play, you would have to spend extra money to buy tf2. While it wasn't really expensive, at least it was a small deterrent.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.
FzeroI still think people are forgetting why people are making a big deal out of any hacking anymore. There is no real repercussions for hacking anymore. Most hackers have 4-5 free tf2 accounts to mess around with their hacks in order to keep their main account "legit", or not vacced. To do that before free to play, you would have to spend extra money to buy tf2. While it wasn't really expensive, at least it was a small deterrent.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.
I think that doesn't apply to the EU scene.
There are repercussions for hacking. Besides the public humiliation and ostracization of being outed in a league newspost any player caught cheating here is punished by a 1 year ban, if found using an alt or re-offending later that ban is extended to 2 years. Now you might not think 1 year is not enough, but like I said before 1 year is roughly 6 seasons of competitive tf2 (3 of 6's and 3 of HL). You miss an entire era of the game, in esports where usually competitive has such a short span, a period of 1 year is a loooong time.
Also there are proper channels through which cheating can be reported, at least in EU we have the ETF2L AntiCheat team, and for pickups you can report as well to the admin team (which I am part of) which will analyse case by case. This kind of dirty laundering doesn't really have any sense of justice besides encouraging the mob mentality which is horrible imo. I don't know how ESEA cheating report works or if it only works on client (if it does that is rather inefficient) but whatever the case it is, these kind of threads could be avoided and instead report the case to the proper channels (ie: directly to Fog (server owners), admins of the irc channels, etc... and they would enforce the bans at their own discretion).
There is no way a case will be analyzed impartially and by a level-headed person after there are 10 pages of people with their pitchforks out.
[quote=Fzero]I still think people are forgetting why people are making a big deal out of any hacking anymore. There is no real repercussions for hacking anymore. Most hackers have 4-5 free tf2 accounts to mess around with their hacks in order to keep their main account "legit", or not vacced. To do that before free to play, you would have to spend extra money to buy tf2. While it wasn't really expensive, at least it was a small deterrent.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.[/quote]
I think that doesn't apply to the EU scene.
There are repercussions for hacking. Besides the public humiliation and ostracization of being outed in a league newspost any player caught cheating here is punished by a 1 year ban, if found using an alt or re-offending later that ban is extended to 2 years. Now you might not think 1 year is not enough, but like I said before 1 year is roughly 6 seasons of competitive tf2 (3 of 6's and 3 of HL). You miss an entire era of the game, in esports where usually competitive has such a short span, a period of 1 year is a loooong time.
Also there are proper channels through which cheating can be reported, at least in EU we have the ETF2L AntiCheat team, and for pickups you can report as well to the admin team (which I am part of) which will analyse case by case. This kind of dirty laundering doesn't really have any sense of justice besides encouraging the mob mentality which is horrible imo. I don't know how ESEA cheating report works or if it only works on client (if it does that is rather inefficient) but whatever the case it is, these kind of threads could be avoided and instead report the case to the proper channels (ie: directly to Fog (server owners), admins of the irc channels, etc... and they would enforce the bans at their own discretion).
There is no way a case will be analyzed impartially and by a level-headed person after there are 10 pages of people with their pitchforks out.
After that, everyone knows that ESEA's anticheat does not work in TF2. I think when you add these two together, you get a small comp TF2 community more on edge when it comes to vac bans and cheating in general.[/quote]
I think that doesn't apply to the EU scene.
There are repercussions for hacking. Besides the public humiliation and ostracization of being outed in a league newspost any player caught cheating here is punished by a 1 year ban, if found using an alt or re-offending later that ban is extended to 2 years. Now you might not think 1 year is not enough, but like I said before 1 year is roughly 6 seasons of competitive tf2 (3 of 6's and 3 of HL). You miss an entire era of the game, in esports where usually competitive has such a short span, a period of 1 year is a loooong time.
Also there are proper channels through which cheating can be reported, at least in EU we have the ETF2L AntiCheat team, and for pickups you can report as well to the admin team (which I am part of) which will analyse case by case. This kind of dirty laundering doesn't really have any sense of justice besides encouraging the mob mentality which is horrible imo. I don't know how ESEA cheating report works or if it only works on client (if it does that is rather inefficient) but whatever the case it is, these kind of threads could be avoided and instead report the case to the proper channels (ie: directly to Fog (server owners), admins of the irc channels, etc... and they would enforce the bans at their own discretion).
There is no way a case will be analyzed impartially and by a level-headed person after there are 10 pages of people with their pitchforks out.
KanecoETF2L AntiCheat team
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works
[quote=Kaneco]ETF2L AntiCheat team[/quote]
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works
TheManWithNoNameKanecoETF2L AntiCheat team
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works
The only polemic thing I remember was the very recent ban to NiCO and that was due to scripting and it was proved that he wasn't using scripts but rather his spastic fingers with a thousand APM.
Even then I think they acted very professionally, gave the opportunity for NiCO to appeal the ban and go through the evidence with the AC team and after it was proved that he wasn't using scripts they publicly apologized in a newspost. That shows character and its really enough for me.
[quote=TheManWithNoName][quote=Kaneco]ETF2L AntiCheat team[/quote]
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works[/quote]
The only polemic thing I remember was the very recent ban to NiCO and that was due to scripting and it was proved that he wasn't using scripts but rather his spastic fingers with a thousand APM.
Even then I think they acted very professionally, gave the opportunity for NiCO to appeal the ban and go through the evidence with the AC team and after it was proved that he wasn't using scripts they publicly apologized in a newspost. That shows character and its really enough for me.
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works[/quote]
The only polemic thing I remember was the very recent ban to NiCO and that was due to scripting and it was proved that he wasn't using scripts but rather his spastic fingers with a thousand APM.
Even then I think they acted very professionally, gave the opportunity for NiCO to appeal the ban and go through the evidence with the AC team and after it was proved that he wasn't using scripts they publicly apologized in a newspost. That shows character and its really enough for me.
Kohakugr8stalinanecdote about gatmastaI want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.
I'm pretty sure it was before this megathread b/c Dekus brought it up in the thread iirc.
[quote=Kohaku][quote=gr8stalin]anecdote about gatmasta[/quote]
I want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure it was before this megathread b/c Dekus brought it up in the thread iirc.
I want to clarify because I was mentioned here that this is wrong because this gatmasta guy, who briefly played for pre-x6 THPS, posted a scoreboard screenshot of himself on FA but forgot to turn off his mathacks when he did it like a dumbass, and admitted to using them. I was never okay with it when people started playing with him again.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure it was before this megathread b/c Dekus brought it up in the thread iirc.
Ahaha I remember in a pug a few weeks ago I called this fucking idiot out and he had nothing to say for himself.
Incoming phrak response.
Ahaha I remember in a pug a few weeks ago I called this fucking idiot out and he had nothing to say for himself.
Incoming phrak response.
Incoming phrak response.
MagusAhaha I remember in a pug a few weeks ago I called this fucking idiot out and he had nothing to say for himself.
Incoming phrak response.
he didnt hack in tf2
[quote=Magus]Ahaha I remember in a pug a few weeks ago I called this fucking idiot out and he had nothing to say for himself.
Incoming phrak response.[/quote]
he didnt hack in tf2
Incoming phrak response.[/quote]
he didnt hack in tf2
Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?
Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?
Theft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.
Theft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.
TheManWithNoNameKanecoETF2L AntiCheat team
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works
We just ban all the baguettes and everyone is happy.
[quote=TheManWithNoName][quote=Kaneco]ETF2L AntiCheat team[/quote]
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works[/quote]
We just ban all the baguettes and everyone is happy.
let's not act like the ETF2L AntiCheat team is exactly known to be 100% accurate or that the entire community is happy with the way the AC team works[/quote]
We just ban all the baguettes and everyone is happy.
When talking about insom:
ToasterHacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?
When talking about phrakture:
ToasterI think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.
A little bit biased, don't you think??
When talking about insom:
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/quote]
When talking about phrakture:
[quote=Toaster]I think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.[/quote]
A little bit biased, don't you think??
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/quote]
When talking about phrakture:
[quote=Toaster]I think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.[/quote]
A little bit biased, don't you think??
GeknaiirWhen talking about insom:ToasterHacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?When talking about phrakture:ToasterI think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.
A little bit biased, don't you think??
I didn't really read about why phrakture got banned from all those. But so what insom got banned from pug.na and phrakture got banned from DM, Mge and pugs
so.........................................................
[quote=Geknaiir]When talking about insom:
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/quote]
When talking about phrakture:
[quote=Toaster]I think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.[/quote]
A little bit biased, don't you think??[/quote]
I didn't really read about why phrakture got banned from all those. But so what insom got banned from pug.na and phrakture got banned from DM, Mge and pugs
so.........................................................
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/quote]
When talking about phrakture:
[quote=Toaster]I think people are going too far banning him from MGE, DM, Pugs etc. I mean if I hacked on an alt nobody would care.[/quote]
A little bit biased, don't you think??[/quote]
I didn't really read about why phrakture got banned from all those. But so what insom got banned from pug.na and phrakture got banned from DM, Mge and pugs
so.........................................................
WithADanceNumberTheft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"
[quote=WithADanceNumber]Theft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.[/quote]
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"
ToasterWithADanceNumberTheft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"
Just because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...
why are you doing this
[quote=Toaster][quote=WithADanceNumber]Theft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.[/quote]
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"[/quote]
Just because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...
why are you doing this
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"[/quote]
Just because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...
why are you doing this
ckapToasterJust because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...WithADanceNumberTheft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"
why are you doing this
Wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't the honest truth.
Also i posted that cause apparently some people do not know what hacking means. Hey you learn something every day
[quote=ckap][quote=Toaster][quote=WithADanceNumber]Theft probably wasn't the word you were looking for.[/quote]
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"[/quote]
Just because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...
why are you doing this[/quote]
Wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't the honest truth.
Also i posted that cause apparently some people do not know what hacking means. Hey you learn something every day
The defenition of hacking.
verb
gerund or present participle: hacking
1.
cut with rough or heavy blows.
"I watched them hack the branches"
synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw; More
kick wildly or roughly.
"he had to race from his line to hack the ball into the stand"
2.
gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
"they hacked into the bank's computer"[/quote]
Just because the example involved a bank doesn't mean...
why are you doing this[/quote]
Wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't the honest truth.
Also i posted that cause apparently some people do not know what hacking means. Hey you learn something every day
Toaster shut the fuck up, you have literally no fucking clue as to what you're talking about and your differing responses in both threads makes you out to be a huge idiotic hypocrite. "I didn't read" isn't an excuse, it's just fucking idiocy. And hacking isn't theft in this context. You aren't stealing anything when you aimbot or wallhack in a first person shooter.
Toaster shut the fuck up, you have literally no fucking clue as to what you're talking about and your differing responses in both threads makes you out to be a huge idiotic hypocrite. "I didn't read" isn't an excuse, it's just fucking idiocy. And hacking isn't theft in this context. You aren't stealing anything when you aimbot or wallhack in a first person shooter.
Toaster please. Every message you post just makes you seem like more of a retarded 11 year old. You refuse to heed any advice given to you ever. You're already the laughing stock of the community, just stop posting.
ToasterHacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?
Toaster please. Every message you post just makes you seem like more of a retarded 11 year old. You refuse to heed any advice given to you ever. You're already the laughing stock of the community, just stop posting.
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, [b]if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/b][/quote]
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, [b]if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/b][/quote]
ToasterHacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a height of idiocity that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?
Anyway, as far as I know, at least insom didn't make some bullshit badly fabricated excuse like phrakture did with his little brother or whoever hacking on his alt account. I commend him for that but ideally both of them would get temporary bans. We all know that isn't happening unless they're caught on client which also won't happen soooo tough titties.
[quote=Toaster]Hacking is dumb and should not be tolerated. Even though you hack in different games still should not be tolerated I don't know insom that well, played a few pugs with him and he seemed like a good and legit player. Hacking even though you're "circle jerk of friends" told you not to and you still went on and did it knowing the consequences is a [b]height of idiocity[/b] that I cannot comprehend. Further due I think a 1 year ban from pug.na is completely fair and thanks to fog for taking actions. I will end it with this, if you know you have a bad reputation (like me) why would you do something that will derail you more down?[/quote]
Anyway, as far as I know, at least insom didn't make some bullshit badly fabricated excuse like phrakture did with his little brother or whoever hacking on his alt account. I commend him for that but ideally both of them would get temporary bans. We all know that isn't happening unless they're caught on client which also won't happen soooo tough titties.
Anyway, as far as I know, at least insom didn't make some bullshit badly fabricated excuse like phrakture did with his little brother or whoever hacking on his alt account. I commend him for that but ideally both of them would get temporary bans. We all know that isn't happening unless they're caught on client which also won't happen soooo tough titties.
I don’t need Your Attitude, I Have One Of My Own
****I'm not weird! I'm gifted****
The Next Time You Think You're Perfect, Try Walking On Water
Not going to make this a sissy fight but everything I say right or wrong is a laughing stock right?
You make me laugh
I don’t need Your Attitude, I Have One Of My Own
****I'm not weird! I'm gifted****
The Next Time You Think You're Perfect, Try Walking On Water
Not going to make this a sissy fight but everything I say right or wrong is a laughing stock right?
You make me laugh
****I'm not weird! I'm gifted****
The Next Time You Think You're Perfect, Try Walking On Water
Not going to make this a sissy fight but everything I say right or wrong is a laughing stock right?
You make me laugh
Mystify people with your intelligence, and if u cant do that, mystify them with your B.S
Mystify people with your intelligence, and if u cant do that, mystify them with your B.S
As an older more mature young adult your job is to...make fun of the little kids!
As an older more mature young adult your job is to...make fun of the little kids!
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