in all seriousness, 6cuties got their shit pushed in by plat's huntsman.

NA = does have a LAN to play for
EU = no reason to play for, but still rolled NA@i49
AU = no reason to play for, but still won NA@i49

Conclusion; playing to get a chance to hang out with cs kids @ dallas makes you bad at game, and playing to have fun and be the best makes you good at the game.

#64,argument flawed. Last year when competition was peaking, double American final at i46.

logic 101 checkmate atheists

I don't care that mix^ off-classed, when my team played Epsilon I like to think we gave them enough of a game that they took it seriously enough to have to try hard to win. If you're winning and you're barely trying, yeah it's boring I get that and if you're losing to a team that is off-classing with huntsman snipers, you're not doing it right (you should in theory be able to win the game from that point).

My only problem with this is Platinum wants to justify his off-classing merits with the argument - "there is no incentive because the community wants to quit a league which steals from it's own customers and disrespects their community." Sorry but who are you to judge what the community wants? They've dished out thousands of pounds for you to play TF2 in Europe and spent money on ESEA even when they know they won't get a return so that you can have a LAN and prize money to play for. Every season these LANs happen, even the best teams barely make a return on their money minus travelling costs so I don't understand the "lack of incentive" without prizes?

Explain it to me. Off-classing itself in a game you're rolling? No biggie in my eyes, but justifying it because the community wants to ditch a Pay-to-play league? Yeah that needs an explanation.

Argument flawed, I present to the court evidence #54, masons verbal diarrhea.

Jk, you're right.

Ditch the league, competition dies because there's no incentive. I disagree with esea and how they operate, but they offer the best competition because theres something to strive toward and win. If you don't understand that anything I say won't help you get it. If the community wants to go to another league, go! We are only 2 teams. Pretend mixup and it quit the game and operate under that facade. If traction gains and theres something to play for, I'm sure we would play. However right now it's a bunch of whiney idiots barking up a storm with no intention to actually change anything.

It's very important for a competitive league to induce competition, this is why everyone flocked to esea in the first place. It's why esea has been by far the most competitive league worldwide year after year. Euros getting there shitstomped by the Americans at I46 was the direct catalyst to their success at I49. It's fine to have shitty leagues for everyone but it's also important to create an environment to give players who put the time in something to motivate them to be the best they can be. Europeans are fortunate to have a lot of lans they can go to, we don't have that luxury.

I wonder if anyone on b4nny's team or Mixup have had enough ESEA (LAN). So far they've been unanimous.

noobies please let me know how far the attitude of "this is too hard somebody owes it to me to teach me it" gets you in life

we have one lan, you have gxl, ets and the esea lans (afaik)

Accidental post on phone. Ill go cry now.

It's not about barking up a storm but barking up a sense of community. Many people are trying to collaborate to ensure that whatever league people migrate to has some standard (as far as servers, anti-cheat, website, which would hopefully bring in lots of good players, ensuring a standard of competition, as well). It seems that the invite players are just washing their hands of this, not wanting to take part in possibly important decisions. Instead it's a "you guys do it, it probably won't work, but if it does, we'll join after you guys make it work".

yah my goal when I first started getting into competitive tf2 was, I wanna win a bunch of money and become a professional sponsored gamer

Nice dude. Got 'em.

Go back to sucking your own dick in a corner or something.

What decisions do you need from us? Provide what esea provided with all their outdated shit fixed and incentive to play that's better than them. You preach competition, make a damn competitive league and maybe you beat esea.

Isn't that exactly what he said? Provide now, everything better (now) and I'll come when you'll have "incentive to play for me" (money). Jesus, it's been a long time since I saw somebody that entitled in tf2.

I don't get why some people are getting mad at mix, after paying a collective of $360 they can do whatever they want in their matches

it's just a game people

Platinum, I'm sure top invite players are pretty intelligent, why don't you invest some of those tf2 hours in the stock market if money is your only incentive?
I think the incentive for some people might be having fun playing and getting better at tf2 and possibly win money, without installing viruses that send their personal information to ESEA and raise their power bills in return.

Wow... Thats just rude.

What else do you want? The fucking game has been out for 6 years sorry if most of us don't want to wait for some experiment to come along to continue having fun. Don't be such a dense retard.

bahahahaha what the fuck

theres a pretty huge difference between a prize pot creating competition and playing a game to keep the lights on

I just noticed this cracker jack bit of logic. If the tf2 community leaves ESEA, that means the tf2 division also disappears since ESEA isn't going to run a 2 team division. So what your post is really saying is, "We really like winning money and a trip to dallas every 3 months, and we're pretty sure the tf2 community won't be able to organize and migrate to a new league without the invite team's instigating this migration, so we're just gonna ride this ESEA thing for as long as we can."

K that's a nice rebuttal and all but you are still implying that "most of us" define having fun by "winning money at LAN". Last time I counted, that's an option for 12 people and the tf2 community exceeds 23 players so I think you are either kind of bad at maths (and should maybe stay away from stocks after all) or your logic is flawed.

I want to go to Dallas one day and get an In-N-Out burger.

You'll make a great soccer mom.

I work 11 hours a day to make money. My tf2 time, which is limited in itself, is for tf2. I get esea is sleezy as fuck. Who is gonna step up to make something better? I sure as hell am not, are you?

Why do you think we win money? I've paid 380 min. For the past 5 seasons and the only reason I break even is because we come in second minimum. But to your other points, yes I'm not putting extra time into something that will fail, why don't you do it?