it has the same damage and accuracy as default scatter now, with only 10% less speed than default scout speed with 0 charge, and that charge only loses 25% on double jumps (and loses nothing on single jumps)
the only bad change to it was it now only holds 4 shots instead of 6, but it seems like the huge mobility gained would offset that somewhat
it has the same damage and accuracy as default scatter now, with only 10% less speed than default scout speed with 0 charge, and that charge only loses 25% on double jumps (and loses nothing on single jumps)
the only bad change to it was it now only holds 4 shots instead of 6, but it seems like the huge mobility gained would offset that somewhat
The one thing that I like about it is that it could potentially decrease the number of double jump spamming scouts that like to abuse TF2's shitty netcode
The one thing that I like about it is that it could potentially decrease the number of double jump spamming scouts that like to abuse TF2's shitty netcode
BfB+Winger tf2 has aerial combat now
BfB+Winger tf2 has aerial combat now
Maybe on Coalplant. That's it though
Maybe on Coalplant. That's it though
losing a quarter of your boost for double jumping is nothing when you can just land a 50 damage shot and get it all back
no reason to use scattergun except for midfights and if you don't have a pistol for your secondary
and all non-pistols are banned anyway
you move so, so ridiculously fast
please ban this thing
losing a quarter of your boost for double jumping is nothing when you can just land a 50 damage shot and get it all back
no reason to use scattergun except for midfights and if you don't have a pistol for your secondary
and all non-pistols are banned anyway
you move so, so ridiculously fast
please ban this thing
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you move so, so ridiculously fast
Into a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.
That being said I think the changes are dumb. What's even the point of moving slightly slower than normal speed? And what's the point of only losing a small portion of boost on jump? I think the only thing people asked for was that they could jump once without losing boost. I don't understand Valve.
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you move so, so ridiculously fast
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Into a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.
That being said I think the changes are dumb. What's even the point of moving slightly slower than normal speed? And what's the point of only losing a small portion of boost on jump? I think the only thing people asked for was that they could jump once without losing boost. I don't understand Valve.
i think granary may be a map aswell for this weapon.
i think granary may be a map aswell for this weapon.
AllealInto a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.
the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing
[quote=Alleal]Into a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.[/quote]
the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing
I think it would be good until soldiers figure out how to predict their movement. But until then, no one is going to hit you.
I think it would be good until soldiers figure out how to predict their movement. But until then, no one is going to hit you.
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you move so, so ridiculously fast
Into a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.
the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing
When you see other scouts actively dodging with the BFB it is really hard to track. First time i played against a scout with the new upgraded BFB i was not fast enough to get a decent meatshot on the scout. I guess with some practice you could get it down but it's certainly a lot trickier. The speed boost is amazing. I don't even think you need to double jump to be able to dodge well with the BFB and considering a lot of skilled scouts don't rely on double jumps to throw off their opponents i think the BFB is a straight upgrade in terms of mobility. As for the reduced ammo it is essentially a downgrade but when you can dodge and get away from the fight faster you certainly gain a bit more time to reload.
[quote=4812622][quote=Alleal][quote=4812622]
you move so, so ridiculously fast
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Into a choke point where you die. There's no utility for the speed on 5cp because you should be playing with your team. Viaduct is too small for it to matter, so that leaves Coalplant. Besides, two shots is a lot to lose.[/quote]
the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing[/quote]
When you see other scouts actively dodging with the BFB it is really hard to track. First time i played against a scout with the new upgraded BFB i was not fast enough to get a decent meatshot on the scout. I guess with some practice you could get it down but it's certainly a lot trickier. The speed boost is amazing. I don't even think you need to double jump to be able to dodge well with the BFB and considering a lot of skilled scouts don't rely on double jumps to throw off their opponents i think the BFB is a straight upgrade in terms of mobility. As for the reduced ammo it is essentially a downgrade but when you can dodge and get away from the fight faster you certainly gain a bit more time to reload.
some people have a lot of trouble hitting scouts with scatter/shotty. imagine them trying to hit bfb scouts lol.
some people have a lot of trouble hitting scouts with scatter/shotty. imagine them trying to hit bfb scouts lol.
guys soldiers still have 300 hp
guys soldiers still have 300 hp
baby face blaster got banned this season lol
anyway 4 shots is a disaster
baby face blaster got banned this season lol
anyway 4 shots is a disaster
and last time i checked if you get within range to 3 shot a buffed soldier he only has to shoot the ground twice to kill you
and last time i checked if you get within range to 3 shot a buffed soldier he only has to shoot the ground twice to kill you
mythbusters please confirm
mythbusters please confirm
4812622the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing
I did see it.
It's just a lobby, but it's on Lakeside (which is really good for it) and I'm still pretty confident I could have done more with a scattergun. I had to ditch a lot of fights because I missed my first shot, and I could almost never kill the heavy. I think anything short of a completely wide open area will see the scattergun as the better option.
I did, however, enjoy making the engineer's life hell, because I could run in and out of mini sentry range fast enough to kill people.
[quote=4812622]
the bfb isn't about running forward slightly faster
it's about being like 20% better at dodging
which is HUGE as a scout
and yeah losing two shots is a big downside but i feel like the speed boost needs to be seen to be believed because it seems kinda underwhelming on paper but it's actually amazing[/quote]
[url=http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/109865]I did see it.[/url]
It's just a lobby, but it's on Lakeside (which is really good for it) and I'm still pretty confident I could have done more with a scattergun. I had to ditch a lot of fights because I missed my first shot, and I could almost never kill the heavy. I think anything short of a completely wide open area will see the scattergun as the better option.
I did, however, enjoy making the engineer's life hell, because I could run in and out of mini sentry range fast enough to kill people.
mand last time i checked if you get within range to 3 shot a buffed soldier he only has to shoot the ground twice to kill you
That matches perfectly with scouts only having to press spacebar twice to take minimal damage.
[quote=m]and last time i checked if you get within range to 3 shot a buffed soldier he only has to shoot the ground twice to kill you[/quote]
That matches perfectly with scouts only having to press spacebar twice to take minimal damage.
man if only soldier had another weapon he could two shot the scout with when its in the air
man if only soldier had another weapon he could two shot the scout with when its in the air
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AllealI did see it.
It's just a lobby, but it's on Lakeside (which is really good for it) and I'm still pretty confident I could have done more with a scattergun. I had to ditch a lot of fights because I missed my first shot, and I could almost never kill the heavy. I think anything short of a completely wide open area will see the scattergun as the better option.
I did, however, enjoy making the engineer's life hell, because I could run in and out of mini sentry range fast enough to kill people.
yeah, i'd imagine it wouldn't be as good in higlander because you can't really use cac, milk, or bonk with it, even the pocket pistol is crippling when you have to rely on your secondary so much
[quote=Alleal][url=http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/109865]I did see it.[/url]
It's just a lobby, but it's on Lakeside (which is really good for it) and I'm still pretty confident I could have done more with a scattergun. I had to ditch a lot of fights because I missed my first shot, and I could almost never kill the heavy. I think anything short of a completely wide open area will see the scattergun as the better option.
I did, however, enjoy making the engineer's life hell, because I could run in and out of mini sentry range fast enough to kill people.[/quote]
yeah, i'd imagine it wouldn't be as good in higlander because you can't really use cac, milk, or bonk with it, even the pocket pistol is crippling when you have to rely on your secondary so much
It'll work for a passive scout well, hang around the combo and cover the opposite side of the Pocket and build the speed boost. Then on pushes barrel in like Usain Bolt and get a couple of shots onto the other demo.
Also, can we please not ban stuff right away when Valve changes weapon values? I'd really like to see "new" items become obsolete through adaptation for once.
It'll work for a passive scout well, hang around the combo and cover the opposite side of the Pocket and build the speed boost. Then on pushes barrel in like Usain Bolt and get a couple of shots onto the other demo.
Also, can we please not ban stuff right away when Valve changes weapon values? I'd really like to see "new" items become obsolete through adaptation for once.
The absurd speed is something that is going to be hard to counter. The double jump "penalty" isn't something that makes it that much worse because i would hope that at the competitive level you could hit few shots that get you right back up to that ridiculous speed. It is essentially (after you get it to full boost) trading 2 shots for untouchable speed.
The absurd speed is something that is going to be hard to counter. The double jump "penalty" isn't something that makes it that much worse because i would hope that at the competitive level you could hit few shots that get you right back up to that ridiculous speed. It is essentially (after you get it to full boost) trading 2 shots for untouchable speed.
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yeah, i'd imagine it wouldn't be as good in higlander because you can't really use cac, milk, or bonk with it, even the pocket pistol is crippling when you have to rely on your secondary so much
I can't really say since I just run regular pistol and wrap assassin in hl lobbies (I don't really play actual hl). But if it's not as useful in a situation that promotes its strengths I don't think it would be useful in 6s, where a lot is working against it.
My beef with it is the fake downsides. They should just make it a speed boost that resets on double jump in exchange for 2 shots, and default speed is regular. That's basically what it is now, minus the reset. They just obfuscated the actual meaning so it didn't sound as bald.
Also it's a fun gun
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yeah, i'd imagine it wouldn't be as good in higlander because you can't really use cac, milk, or bonk with it, even the pocket pistol is crippling when you have to rely on your secondary so much[/quote]
I can't really say since I just run regular pistol and wrap assassin in hl lobbies (I don't really play actual hl). But if it's not as useful in a situation that promotes its strengths I don't think it would be useful in 6s, where a lot is working against it.
My beef with it is the fake downsides. They should just make it a speed boost that resets on double jump in exchange for 2 shots, and default speed is regular. That's basically what it is now, minus the reset. They just obfuscated the actual meaning so it didn't sound as bald.
Also it's a fun gun
im expecting everybody who is blindly saying its amazing to turn in their bfb frag videos by friday as proof
im expecting everybody who is blindly saying its amazing to turn in their bfb frag videos by friday as proof
okay yes mason you like to be exceedingly condescending to people
pls put on the brakes a bit
okay yes mason you like to be exceedingly condescending to people
pls put on the brakes a bit
mim expecting everybody who is blindly saying its amazing to turn in their wrangler frag videos by friday as proof
that's how retarded you sound.
[quote=m]im expecting everybody who is blindly saying its amazing to turn in their wrangler frag videos by friday as proof[/quote]
that's how retarded you sound.
ok drploxo ur first kiddo
ok drploxo ur first kiddo
i remember in a frag movie someone getting like a propane nightmares level airshot with the wrangler rockets but i cant remember what movie/who it was
i remember in a frag movie someone getting like a propane nightmares level airshot with the wrangler rockets but i cant remember what movie/who it was
mok drploxo ur first kiddo
I get it, you like to sound intelligent.
But it's obvious that the weapon is considerably stronger than it's former form. Considering the downsides have been all but nullified, it's only disadvantage is -2 shots.
Similar to the hellstorm that was the Shortstop, it's really damn good and worth running.
You can stop trying to be up to the par of a psuedo-intellectual anytime.
[quote=m]ok drploxo ur first kiddo[/quote]
I get it, you like to sound intelligent.
But it's obvious that the weapon is considerably stronger than it's former form. Considering the downsides have been all but nullified, it's only disadvantage is -2 shots.
Similar to the hellstorm that was the Shortstop, it's really damn good and worth running.
You can stop trying to be up to the par of a psuedo-intellectual anytime.
GOLDEN_NINJA_WARRIORi remember in a frag movie someone getting like a propane nightmares level airshot with the wrangler rockets but i cant remember what movie/who it was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NWrZVybyiU4#t=178
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8owwf1ttzgh42nk/Menn%20at%20Work%20-%20Final.mp4 @ 1:30
[quote=GOLDEN_NINJA_WARRIOR]i remember in a frag movie someone getting like a propane nightmares level airshot with the wrangler rockets but i cant remember what movie/who it was[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NWrZVybyiU4#t=178
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8owwf1ttzgh42nk/Menn%20at%20Work%20-%20Final.mp4 @ 1:30