Start from Meatshot vol. 5 and work from there. It's worth the read.

people got banned

people whined about those bans

more people got banned

everyone's a shitlord

tf2 is dead

no lan = no incentive to play

4 teams make LAN, only 2 have a really good chance at winning (altho upsets do happen, see Blight).

I can see how that would be shitty for them but its only going to be temporary. CEVO is looking at LAN options. TF2 will be fine.

only a matter of time before this thread mysteriously disappears too

june got banned

hellbent got banned

forums exploded

more people got banned

mix^ defends esea

everyone else mostly wants CEVO

people argue about lan

-Already knew about ESEA mining for bitcoins a while ago.
-Lawsuit for faulty ESEA client remaining on hardware after uninstall; people comparing to it malware, spyware, etc.
-People getting banned for 10 years after attacking ESEA/Ikpane or showing dissatisfaction.
-Anger thread. Possibility of a new league NA ETF2L, UGC, or CEVO starts to surface here.
-People considering other league choices.
-Nahanni abandoning ESEA as AG sponsor.
-Possibility of an ETF2L for NA
-Nahanni in favor of a CEVO league for TF2 (ETF2L withdraws for CEVO)
-Why not CEVO?
-People still want to stay with ESEA.
-Pyyyour on pro-ESEA support. (Now plenty of arguing over lans/$$$/stability in that thread).

tldr fuck esea, thank you based nahanni/cevo; powertrips for days, ppl being banned for nothing

People are saying ESEA is scummy and we need to leave it, others are saying we need it for the LAN and really nothing else (cause we host all of our own stats/servers/pugs/forums anyways)

People are saying we don't need LANs, all of the Invite players are saying they need it for motivation to keep playing(like endgame for an MMORPG), but a significant portion of the population says we don't need it to play TF2, the others are saying without an endgame the game will die

People are saying why do we need an endgame if we're never going to make it there, others are saying what the fuck the endgame is pretty awesome and at some point you too might actually get there but who really knows

People are saying ESEA is the only way to keep having a LAN, others are saying CEVO could certainly host one in the future

I completely agree, it was a shitty tongue-in-cheek joke.

MustardOverlord also got banned, he posted a thread directly challenging enigma's PSA.

people ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.

no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)

european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.

Wow, Jerry can say "Fuck you lpkane, lick my taint." and doesn't get banned, I say nothing close to that and get axed.

Laurens getting the b4nny pipe

link?

thread was removed

you can google the cached version of it if you want tho

http://puu.sh/5q3p7

there was a really big thread with a lot of really funny enigma photoshops that got deleted

It was funny, because Mustard specifically said that everyone was "too much of a pussy" to test enigma and that he was going to be the one to bring up the june ban in public, and the thread was gone in literally less than a minute.

wtffff i knew that the psa thread was deleted but i didn't click on it wtf why did june get banned and did enigma seriously ban people for mentioning it? WHAT IS THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I JUST WANNA PLAY VIDEO GAMES

rip flippers.

we lost our brother to a elfkiller from the hours of 2:02 AM to 2:43 AM on the Eve of Saturday for angering big brother Enigma. Luckily after 20 minutes of CPR by squid, flippers was resurrected into the realm of the unbanned.

lol u got banned? whatd u say

Everybody look at flippers, he was banned for a little bit!!!

chill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ford_video_scandal

I think the first LAN was season 5 or 6 right?? Before that i don't really think anyone had an issue with the championships not being on LAN regardless of CEVO-P or ESEA invite. I think during the time TF2 was really entering it's prime and there was a lot of excitement and interest in the game...the LAN scene really meant something. Hell season 6 probably had the biggest upset ever and that would have been incredible to have been apart of in person. The reality is that we will probably never see that happen again when the same 2 teams have been going back and forth for the past 3 years. While i have respect for the skill and dedication plat and b4nny have invested into the game and their teams, why is LAN still such a big factor? For them i'm sure LAN is awesome, knowing you are still one of the best and will come away with some (hopefully) profit. Do you really need LAN to tell you that? If you can stomp a fellow invite team off-classing online...or 5-0 roll a 3/4 seed on normal classes...what difference will LAN really prove? Wouldn't it be easier to just play online and actually make a nice profit other than a mediocre one? Is it even worth it anymore for the 3rd & 4th seeds...realistically knowing you won't get above 3rd & 4th place? Maybe if you get community funding, but in essence it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think our community goes above and beyond supporting the game to keep LAN's going, but it's not their responsibility by any means.

I honestly don't see how the competitive scene would die without ESEA LAN. It's not like TF2 gets remotely near any attention as the major competitive games out there right now. If the term endgame is being brought up, it's not the ESEA LAN...the real endgame imo are the international LAN's. i46/i49 were absolutely amazing to watch...i49 was probably the most enjoyable LAN event I've ever watched for TF2. All 4 top teams were totally capable of winning - that's something that would be awesome to be apart of. I wouldn't mind, however, hearing a real POV from someone like enigma/plat/b4nny...maybe i'm missing something.

I was simply saying LANs are valuable to the community ESEA or otherwise. ESEA just seemed easier for NA cause it already exists -- it's not something additional we have to create.

You said it yourself. The LAN events are enjoyable. Not necessary though I agree.

[edit] er it depends on what your definition of necessary is. i think it is unnecessary if all you want to do is keep playing TF2, but i think it's necessary in the sense that it makes top level TF2 more interesting

also...playing for profit? does anyone really do that in this game?

slin i wasn't quoting you to agree/disagree with you - it was more to base what i wrote as an open question as to why top invite players want LAN vs online. Sorry for the confusion. It's really just my thoughts written down..i'm not saying any which way is the right way so i would hope no one takes offense to what i wrote. Just posting as a legitimate question to someone willing to give a legitimate answer.

gotcha.

but yea do you mean a pov of this discussion or a pov of the event? cause i think tyrone has one somewhere about i46 talking about what the experience was like etc. numlocked has one too.

http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0018/vGP3g17313.jpg