so the etf2l grand finals are set - willy wonka's chocolate factory vs. epsilon esports. man oh man, what an exciting match that'll be! i can't wait to hear admirable cast it as kaidus goes up against the top team in europe, as knoxxx gets another crack at the team he was on for so many seasons! i sure hope nothing catastrophic gets in the way of this match being played on fair and even ground!
3:30 PM - Admirable: yo
3:30 PM - djc: when's the grand finals
3:30 PM - Admirable: Friday
3:30 PM - djc: when do i get to hear that sweet irish voice
3:30 PM - djc: what the fuck
3:30 PM - djc: friday???
3:30 PM - Admirable: yeah admins forcing WWCF to play
3:30 PM - Admirable: without KnOxXx
3:30 PM - Admirable: and whilst kaidus is visiting 2nuts in SWE
3:31 PM - Admirable: so they play Friday without practise or warmup
3:31 PM - Admirable: :D
3:31 PM - Admirable: cookye to scout
3:31 PM - Admirable: Zebbo to pocket
... oh. so there IS some contrived shit happening. well i'm sure the admins have a good and valid reason for forcing WWCF to play without their lineup on a day on which nobody plays tf2, right?? and i bet they're being reasonable and fair about it, too, because that's what level-headed neutrally-aligned people do!
3:31 PM - Admirable: admins threatening to ban them if they gave the forfeit
3:31 PM - Admirable: some ridiculous bullshit
3:32 PM - Admirable: or holding their prize money
well shucks. looks like i'm a solid 0 for 2 here. let's delve deeper!
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: jo
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: you wanna play the etf2l final
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: on friday 21:15?
17:13 - Admirable: lal
17:13 - Admirable: I should cast it really
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: the game will be 5on6
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and we prolly need mercs aswell
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so no point in casting that
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: if we give default
17:14 - Admirable: LOL
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: etf2l wont give us pricemoney
17:14 - Admirable: rip tf2
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well we got screwed over
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: with scheduling
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: nothing we can do
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: btw the pricemoney thing isnt confirmed
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: but sonny said there will be consequences
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and well
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: what else matters
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: they wont ban us from league
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: but ye
18:29 - smzii 22" u jelly? is now Online.
18:42 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so can u play friday?
18:54 - Admirable: uh
18:54 - Admirable: quite likely ye
18:55 - Admirable: would rather not :D
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: you have to
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: i really have trouble
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: to field 3 players from our roster
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: no joke
18:55 - Admirable: I better get a medal
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: cool
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so i have you
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and 2nuts
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: who will prolly stay afk in spawn
18:57 - Admirable: lol wut
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: kaidus visits him in swe
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and they wont be around
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so i get 2nuts to log on
18:58 - Admirable: I don't want to be part of some sham match
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and join server
18:58 - Admirable: fuck that shit man
18:58 - Admirable: just forfeit it
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: its etf2l final
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: blabla
18:59 - Admirable: you already played the whole fucking season
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: or they just take our money
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: asi assumed earlier
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: they dont care ads
18:59 - Admirable: no you already earned the money
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and iam telling you they dont care
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: no rules
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: ok we make one up
18:59 - Admirable: I am going to start a war on admin channel
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: headadmins
19:00 - smzii 22" u jelly?: o god
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: maybe we can move it to next week
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: or something
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: lets see
19:37 - broder Zebbosai: Game confirmed for friday btw and we ended up making a full lineup without u so hope to see u cast :D final lineup is me ryb kukkye sam salt 2nuts
20:05 - Admirable: dope :D
20:05 - Admirable: I'll be there
20:05 - Admirable: you gonna have any practise?
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: well a change happened before jason will play instead of ryb
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: cause twoonie had some craptop
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: that jason wanted to use
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: and no no warmup like even if we wanted too we cant get a game at that time
so if you're too lazy to read those chatlogs:
TL;DR: etf2l is forcing a team to play down basically three starters on a Friday and threatening to withhold money or ban them or some other nebulous nonspecific punishment if they opt to forfeit. what the fuck is that shit???? what stupid ass justification can someone possibly make for this? "oh it's christmas in 15 days you know, can't let people play matches on the week of the 16th, that's sacrilege!!!"
so the etf2l grand finals are set - willy wonka's chocolate factory vs. epsilon esports. man oh man, what an exciting match that'll be! i can't wait to hear admirable cast it as kaidus goes up against the top team in europe, as knoxxx gets another crack at the team he was on for so many seasons! i sure hope nothing catastrophic gets in the way of this match being played on fair and even ground!
3:30 PM - Admirable: yo
3:30 PM - djc: when's the grand finals
3:30 PM - Admirable: Friday
3:30 PM - djc: when do i get to hear that sweet irish voice
3:30 PM - djc: what the fuck
3:30 PM - djc: friday???
3:30 PM - Admirable: yeah admins forcing WWCF to play
3:30 PM - Admirable: without KnOxXx
3:30 PM - Admirable: and whilst kaidus is visiting 2nuts in SWE
3:31 PM - Admirable: so they play Friday without practise or warmup
3:31 PM - Admirable: :D
3:31 PM - Admirable: cookye to scout
3:31 PM - Admirable: Zebbo to pocket
... oh. so there IS some contrived shit happening. well i'm sure the admins have a good and valid reason for forcing WWCF to play without their lineup on a day on which nobody plays tf2, right?? and i bet they're being reasonable and fair about it, too, because that's what level-headed neutrally-aligned people do!
3:31 PM - Admirable: admins threatening to ban them if they gave the forfeit
3:31 PM - Admirable: some ridiculous bullshit
3:32 PM - Admirable: or holding their prize money
well shucks. looks like i'm a solid 0 for 2 here. let's delve deeper!
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: jo
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: you wanna play the etf2l final
17:09 - smzii 22" u jelly?: on friday 21:15?
17:13 - Admirable: lal
17:13 - Admirable: I should cast it really
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: the game will be 5on6
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and we prolly need mercs aswell
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so no point in casting that
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: if we give default
17:14 - Admirable: LOL
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: etf2l wont give us pricemoney
17:14 - Admirable: rip tf2
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well we got screwed over
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: with scheduling
17:14 - smzii 22" u jelly?: nothing we can do
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: btw the pricemoney thing isnt confirmed
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: but sonny said there will be consequences
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and well
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: what else matters
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: they wont ban us from league
17:34 - smzii 22" u jelly?: but ye
18:29 - smzii 22" u jelly? is now Online.
18:42 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so can u play friday?
18:54 - Admirable: uh
18:54 - Admirable: quite likely ye
18:55 - Admirable: would rather not :D
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: you have to
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: i really have trouble
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: to field 3 players from our roster
18:55 - smzii 22" u jelly?: no joke
18:55 - Admirable: I better get a medal
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: cool
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so i have you
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and 2nuts
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: who will prolly stay afk in spawn
18:57 - Admirable: lol wut
18:57 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: kaidus visits him in swe
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and they wont be around
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: so i get 2nuts to log on
18:58 - Admirable: I don't want to be part of some sham match
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and join server
18:58 - Admirable: fuck that shit man
18:58 - Admirable: just forfeit it
18:58 - smzii 22" u jelly?: well
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: its etf2l final
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: blabla
18:59 - Admirable: you already played the whole fucking season
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: or they just take our money
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: asi assumed earlier
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: they dont care ads
18:59 - Admirable: no you already earned the money
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: and iam telling you they dont care
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: no rules
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: ok we make one up
18:59 - Admirable: I am going to start a war on admin channel
18:59 - smzii 22" u jelly?: headadmins
19:00 - smzii 22" u jelly?: o god
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: maybe we can move it to next week
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: or something
19:04 - smzii 22" u jelly?: lets see
19:37 - broder Zebbosai: Game confirmed for friday btw and we ended up making a full lineup without u so hope to see u cast :D final lineup is me ryb kukkye sam salt 2nuts
20:05 - Admirable: dope :D
20:05 - Admirable: I'll be there
20:05 - Admirable: you gonna have any practise?
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: well a change happened before jason will play instead of ryb
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: cause twoonie had some craptop
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: that jason wanted to use
20:06 - broder Zebbosai: and no no warmup like even if we wanted too we cant get a game at that time
so if you're too lazy to read those chatlogs:
[b]TL;DR:[/b] etf2l is forcing a team to play down basically three starters on a Friday and threatening to withhold money or ban them or some other nebulous nonspecific punishment if they opt to forfeit. what the fuck is that shit???? what stupid ass justification can someone possibly make for this? "oh it's christmas in 15 days you know, can't let people play matches on the week of the 16th, that's sacrilege!!!"
permzilla became head admin. bullshit started happening. i see a pattern...
permzilla became head admin. bullshit started happening. i see a pattern...
I knew that zebbo guy was up to something
I knew that zebbo guy was up to something
literally just trying to play some tf2
literally just trying to play some tf2
That's some fucked up shit yo.
That's some fucked up shit yo.
Well in fairness I've only heard the WWCF side of the story. Would love to hear from Epsilon and the admins involved.
Well in fairness I've only heard the WWCF side of the story. Would love to hear from Epsilon and the admins involved.
djccan't let people play matches on the week of the 16th, that's sacrilege!!!"
The founding fathers would have never allowed this. I call for the separation of church and ETF2L.
[quote=djc]can't let people play matches on the week of the 16th, that's sacrilege!!!"[/quote]
The founding fathers would have never allowed this. I call for the separation of church and ETF2L.
Wow, that's some class A bullshit.
Wow, that's some class A bullshit.
AdmirableWell in fairness I've only heard the WWCF side of the story. Would love to hear from Epsilon and the admins involved.
yeah it'd be great to hear from the admins, they can explain why every season they try to fuck over one team. this is about the fourth time i've heard a story of the admins doing everything they can to fuck over one of the finals teams.
[quote=Admirable]Well in fairness I've only heard the WWCF side of the story. Would love to hear from Epsilon and the admins involved.[/quote]
yeah it'd be great to hear from the admins, they can explain why every season they try to fuck over one team. this is about the fourth time i've heard a story of the admins doing everything they can to fuck over one of the finals teams.
awwwe yeeeee
the drama returns
awwwe yeeeee
the drama returns
So much bullshit has been affecting TF2 lately. I mean, we're one of the smaller esports and we just wanna play games, not have to deal with malware, undercover bullshit, and now denied prize pots and all this. Just vidya, please. ;_;
So much bullshit has been affecting TF2 lately. I mean, we're one of the smaller esports and we just wanna play games, not have to deal with malware, undercover bullshit, and now denied prize pots and all this. Just vidya, please. ;_;
http://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.
http://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.
Hildrethhttp://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.
a very fair and rational analysis and i agree with it all.
so where does the irrationality come in that leads to "if you don't play the grand finals on this date you can't field your team on, we're going to punish you severely"?
[quote=Hildreth]http://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.[/quote]
a very fair and rational analysis and i agree with it all.
so where does the irrationality come in that leads to "if you don't play the grand finals on this date you can't field your team on, we're going to punish you severely"?
our side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do
our side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do
Tis in no way epsis fault. I don't trust they gave 100% to make it happen on other days, but they had their reasons to not play other days same as we had ours. How we ended up here is down to really poor administration and nothing else.
Tis in no way epsis fault. I don't trust they gave 100% to make it happen on other days, but they had their reasons to not play other days same as we had ours. How we ended up here is down to really poor administration and nothing else.
just pointing out one thing withholding prizemoney is just an assumption
the part about the ban actually got brought up though
just pointing out one thing withholding prizemoney is just an assumption
the part about the ban actually got brought up though
Just another stop on the way to future permzilla team fortress 2 HL league.
Just another stop on the way to future permzilla team fortress 2 HL league.
djcHildrethhttp://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.
a very fair and rational analysis and i agree with it all.
so where does the irrationality come in that leads to "if you don't play the grand finals on this date you can't field your team on, we're going to punish you severely"?
So that some form of game can be played I assume, not much of a justification but that is I am guessing the reasoning behind it.
[quote=djc][quote=Hildreth]http://etf2l.org/matches/45745/
The match comments say:
1) Epsilon can't play until Thursday onwards.
2) WWF can't play on Thursday or Sunday.
Saturday and Friday only days left according to match comments - so a weekend default date is only option according to what is posted.
However since it's a Grand Final, and it is a one off match I can't see why an extension couldn't be granted to play any day from the week of 16th-19th. A strange decision indeed, perhaps there is another underlying reason why this can't be done after Sunday.[/quote]
a very fair and rational analysis and i agree with it all.
so where does the irrationality come in that leads to "if you don't play the grand finals on this date you can't field your team on, we're going to punish you severely"?[/quote]
So that some form of game can be played I assume, not much of a justification but that is I am guessing the reasoning behind it.
So the only issue with playing sunday onwards is that kaidus is in sweden? For a whole week? Im probably not seeing the issue but why not just play from 2nuts house then? inb4 "laptop is bad", cmon, I trust 2nuts can hustle a pc from somewhere...
So the only issue with playing sunday onwards is that kaidus is in sweden? For a whole week? Im probably not seeing the issue but why not just play from 2nuts house then? inb4 "laptop is bad", cmon, I trust 2nuts can hustle a pc from somewhere...
u wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo
u wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo
numlockedour side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.
[quote=numlocked]our side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do[/quote]
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.
skeejSo the only issue with playing sunday onwards is that kaidus is in sweden? For a whole week? Im probably not seeing the issue but why not just play from 2nuts house then? inb4 "laptop is bad", cmon, I trust 2nuts can hustle a pc from somewhere...
according to etf2l playoffs have to be done by December 14th so sunday isnt even a possible option to play
[quote=skeej]So the only issue with playing sunday onwards is that kaidus is in sweden? For a whole week? Im probably not seeing the issue but why not just play from 2nuts house then? inb4 "laptop is bad", cmon, I trust 2nuts can hustle a pc from somewhere...[/quote]
according to etf2l playoffs have to be done by December 14th so sunday isnt even a possible option to play
2nutsu wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo
come play from my house with kaidus, computers and victory blunts will be standing by
[quote=2nuts]u wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo[/quote]
come play from my house with kaidus, computers and victory blunts will be standing by
skeej2nutsu wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo
come play from my house with kaidus, computers and victory blunts will be standing by
we can vape victory blunts no need to go to smelly holland
[quote=skeej][quote=2nuts]u wanna go skeej?
i aint no hustler anymo[/quote]
come play from my house with kaidus, computers and victory blunts will be standing by[/quote]
we can vape victory blunts no need to go to smelly holland