Hildrethnumlockedour side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.
The admins fucked up the scheduling because the only reason we said we can play friday is as a last ditch compromise, otherwise they just put it to whenever epsi wanted it (ie. when we can't play AT ALL let alone with these ridiculous measures). The reason the admins fucked this up is because they conjured a new date for playoffs (sunday 15th) when the schedule clearly states they finish on the 14th. I planned my trip based around this date, meaning thursday was the only real play day that we couldn't play so we were safe from this kind of default date horseshit - apparently not.
With that in mind, it would mean we had 3 available dates (mon, tues, wed) and epsi had 3 (thurs, fri, sat) meaning there was no way we could be forced to play a day we aren't available.
And how you can just brush over ban threats like it's not the real issue is amazing. We are going to lose - we know that and we don't care. It would have been nice to play a proper final but when it became apparent that couldn't happen we'd of rather this pathetic season ended quietly rather than some awful charade of a final that we've been essentially black mailed into.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=numlocked]our side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do[/quote]
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.[/quote]
The admins fucked up the scheduling because the only reason we said we can play friday is as a last ditch compromise, otherwise they just put it to whenever epsi wanted it (ie. when we can't play AT ALL let alone with these ridiculous measures). The reason the admins fucked this up is because they conjured a new date for playoffs (sunday 15th) when the schedule clearly states they finish on the 14th. I planned my trip based around this date, meaning thursday was the only real play day that we couldn't play so we were safe from this kind of default date horseshit - apparently not.
With that in mind, it would mean we had 3 available dates (mon, tues, wed) and epsi had 3 (thurs, fri, sat) meaning there was no way we could be forced to play a day we aren't available.
And how you can just brush over ban threats like it's not the real issue is amazing. We are going to lose - we know that and we don't care. It would have been nice to play a proper final but when it became apparent that couldn't happen we'd of rather this pathetic season ended quietly rather than some awful charade of a final that we've been essentially black mailed into.
^ i dig it 2nuts
^ i dig it kaidus
^ i dig it 2nuts
^ i dig it kaidus
aw yiss, tf2 being forever plagued by shit admins 8))))))
aw yiss, tf2 being forever plagued by shit admins 8))))))
real shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great
real shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great
the masochistic legacy continues, why u do this admins???
the masochistic legacy continues, why u do this admins???
TLRreal shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great
cause EU admins will handle NA scheduling?
[quote=TLR]real shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great[/quote]
cause EU admins will handle NA scheduling?
Clearly extrapolating a couple of bad administrative decisions to a whole league and the entire team of admins without even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.
Clearly extrapolating a couple of bad administrative decisions to a whole league and the entire team of admins without even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.
martenTLRreal shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great
cause EU admins will handle NA scheduling?
They'll be asleep.
[quote=marten][quote=TLR]real shame, I'm sure american etf2l would have been just great[/quote]
cause EU admins will handle NA scheduling?[/quote]
They'll be asleep.
!admin
Now seriously, what's the point of doing that threats and saying cause its the grand finals and bla bla bla and doing this because it seems more like a div 6 Grand Final than a Premiership one. I would rather see a late Grand Final with proper line-ups from both teams and the chance to practice it to just see this entire mess
!admin
Now seriously, what's the point of doing that threats and saying cause its the grand finals and bla bla bla and doing this because it seems more like a div 6 Grand Final than a Premiership one. I would rather see a late Grand Final with proper line-ups from both teams and the chance to practice it to just see this entire mess
KanecoClearly extrapolating a couple of bad administrative decisions to a whole league and the entire team of admins without even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.
AdmirableThreatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play
[quote=Kaneco]Clearly extrapolating a couple of bad administrative decisions to a whole league and the entire team of admins without even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.[/quote]
[quote=Admirable]Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play[/quote]
kaidusHildrethnumlockedour side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.
The admins fucked up the scheduling because the only reason we said we can play friday is as a last ditch compromise, otherwise they just put it to whenever epsi wanted it (ie. when we can't play AT ALL let alone with these ridiculous measures). The reason the admins fucked this up is because they conjured a new date for playoffs (sunday 15th) when the schedule clearly states they finish on the 14th. I planned my trip based around this date, meaning thursday was the only real play day that we couldn't play so we were safe from this kind of default date horseshit - apparently not.
With that in mind, it would mean we had 3 available dates (mon, tues, wed) and epsi had 3 (thurs, fri, sat) meaning there was no way we could be forced to play a day we aren't available.
And how you can just brush over ban threats like it's not the real issue is amazing. We are going to lose - we know that and we don't care. It would have been nice to play a proper final but when it became apparent that couldn't happen we'd of rather this pathetic season ended quietly rather than some awful charade of a final that we've been essentially black mailed into.
I'm not brushing-over threatening bans on people for not playing because if it were true it'd be the most baseless decision in TF2, you can't ban teams over something that has no rule to re-enforce it as a bannable offence. I brush it off because I could not believe ETF2L admins would even threaten bans for forfeiting a match, it just sounds absurd in my mind. If it is true then someone somewhere has made a horrible representation of themselves.
Also I was not aware the deadline dates had been changed, I assumed they ran from 8th-14th like everything else with the option to extend beyond that if necessary.
[quote=kaidus][quote=Hildreth][quote=numlocked]our side of the story is:
mike has been a typical first year uni student and hasn't started his first assignment which was due on Wednesday. I ask everyone if we can play monday or tuesday and mike says he can't play because he has to get this work done. gear is late at uni (I think) almost every wednesday, so we can't play then either. every other day until the 20th of december we're free after that
edit: afaik, kaidus isn't free until the 22nd of December after this thursday (or at least what he told me), and I'm not free after the 20th as I go back home for christmas without my pc, so the admins weren't left with much choice other than a date which we could all do[/quote]
From reading this as far as I can tell no team is fully available until after Christmas, so it isn't like the admins delaying it beyond the normal deadline would make a difference. I can't really see how this is the ETF2L admin's fault or specifically Permzilla's like some people are alluding to, feels like the responsibility is on the players here.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play is a strange one a I can't quite grasp, but the whole scheduling issue is wholly down to the players, unless there is some other evidence that is withstanding.[/quote]
The admins fucked up the scheduling because the only reason we said we can play friday is as a last ditch compromise, otherwise they just put it to whenever epsi wanted it (ie. when we can't play AT ALL let alone with these ridiculous measures). The reason the admins fucked this up is because they conjured a new date for playoffs (sunday 15th) when the schedule clearly states they finish on the 14th. I planned my trip based around this date, meaning thursday was the only real play day that we couldn't play so we were safe from this kind of default date horseshit - apparently not.
With that in mind, it would mean we had 3 available dates (mon, tues, wed) and epsi had 3 (thurs, fri, sat) meaning there was no way we could be forced to play a day we aren't available.
And how you can just brush over ban threats like it's not the real issue is amazing. We are going to lose - we know that and we don't care. It would have been nice to play a proper final but when it became apparent that couldn't happen we'd of rather this pathetic season ended quietly rather than some awful charade of a final that we've been essentially black mailed into.[/quote]
I'm not brushing-over threatening bans on people for not playing because if it were true it'd be the most baseless decision in TF2, you can't ban teams over something that has no rule to re-enforce it as a bannable offence. I brush it off because I could not believe ETF2L admins would even threaten bans for forfeiting a match, it just sounds absurd in my mind. If it is true then someone somewhere has made a horrible representation of themselves.
Also I was not aware the deadline dates had been changed, I assumed they ran from 8th-14th like everything else with the option to extend beyond that if necessary.
i never heard of permzilla before, is that a bad thing?
i never heard of permzilla before, is that a bad thing?
enlaneKanecowithout even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.
Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play
What has one argument to do with the other? I mentioned we didnt hear their official response, which is true, even if they did do that we still didn't hear the official response.
Also, there are 20+ volunteers on etf2l staff, as far as I know what we saw posted here could well have been an off the record unnoficial response from an admin on a bad day, lets show a bit of respect for the 20+ people donating their time to our scene and not bash a whole league because of 1 person.
[quote=enlane][quote=Kaneco]without even hearing their side is the best thing to do in this case.[/quote]
[quote]Threatening to ban or punish teams for forfeiting when they can't play[/quote][/quote]
What has one argument to do with the other? I mentioned we didnt hear their official response, which is true, even if they did do that we still didn't hear the official response.
Also, there are 20+ [b]volunteers[/b] on etf2l staff, as far as I know what we saw posted here could well have been an off the record unnoficial response from an admin on a bad day, lets show a bit of respect for the 20+ people donating their time to our scene and not bash a whole league because of 1 person.
I'd take everything from the OP with a pinch of salt. SonnyBlack just told me he did not threaten to ban anyone. Now, I do not know what was said but I'd wait for an official response from the ETF2L admins and keep the pitch forks locked in until then.
Also, why is nobody talking about the fact that wwcf wanted to forfeit the grand final? djc's introduction is nice and has potential for a great storyline but the following chatlogs could also be replaced with "oh wait, but wwcf actually have no intention of playing and just forfeit the match. gg"
I'd take everything from the OP with a pinch of salt. SonnyBlack just told me he did not threaten to ban anyone. Now, I do not know what was said but I'd wait for an official response from the ETF2L admins and keep the pitch forks locked in until then.
Also, why is nobody talking about the fact that wwcf wanted to forfeit the grand final? djc's introduction is nice and has potential for a great storyline but the following chatlogs could also be replaced with "oh wait, but wwcf actually have no intention of playing and just forfeit the match. gg"
what exactly is the problem with wwcf wanting to forfeit the match if they can't field their starting lineup and have to play with an inactive player and people changing classes? r u srs.
what exactly is the problem with wwcf wanting to forfeit the match if they can't field their starting lineup and have to play with an inactive player and people changing classes? r u srs.
CanFoI'd take everything from the OP with a pinch of salt. SonnyBlack just told me he did not threaten to ban anyone. Now, I do not know what was said but I'd wait for an official response from the ETF2L admins and keep the pitch forks locked in until then.
Also, why is nobody talking about the fact that wwcf wanted to forfeit the grand final? djc's introduction is nice and has potential for a great storyline but the following chatlogs could also be replaced with "oh wait, but wwcf actually have no intention of playing and just forfeit the match. gg"
They want to forfeit because they can't play with their starting roster but ETF2L won't let them, you mean
[quote=CanFo]I'd take everything from the OP with a pinch of salt. SonnyBlack just told me he did not threaten to ban anyone. Now, I do not know what was said but I'd wait for an official response from the ETF2L admins and keep the pitch forks locked in until then.
Also, why is nobody talking about the fact that wwcf wanted to forfeit the grand final? djc's introduction is nice and has potential for a great storyline but the following chatlogs could also be replaced with "oh wait, but wwcf actually have no intention of playing and just forfeit the match. gg"[/quote]
They want to forfeit because they can't play with their starting roster but ETF2L won't let them, you mean
@ nobody mentioned sonnyblack in any way?
- we wanted to forfeit cuz we cant field a roster and rules only allow 2 mercs, but ye will be entertaining playing 5v6 with 2 mercs
@ nobody mentioned sonnyblack in any way?
- we wanted to forfeit cuz we cant field a roster and rules only allow 2 mercs, but ye will be entertaining playing 5v6 with 2 mercs
i don't understand why they can't forfeit if they want to...
i don't understand why they can't forfeit if they want to...
is anyone else hungry right now?
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damn yo im glad we have killing
damn yo im glad we have killing
yeah killing is such a great admin
http://i.imgur.com/aMcuv5A.gif
yeah killing is such a great admin
[img]http://i.imgur.com/aMcuv5A.gif[/img]
You think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.
You think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.
defyis anyone else hungry right now?
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2tdh01lXb1qilr2fo1_500.gif
not gonna lie my mouth is watering
[quote=defy]is anyone else hungry right now?
[img]http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2tdh01lXb1qilr2fo1_500.gif[/img][/quote]
not gonna lie my mouth is watering
CanFoYou think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.
you're right this route has gone much better than a default would.
[quote=CanFo]You think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.[/quote]
you're right this route has gone much better than a default would.
CanFoYou think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.
5v6 against the best team in Europe they sure stand a chance of having a close game dont they sure seems like a good use of my time if I was going to play it
[quote=CanFo]You think forfeiting the most important match of the season is fine? Let's just agree to disagree then. I don't think the end of a season could be any more anti-climatic than ending with a default win and that is not exactly what spectators/sponsors want to see.[/quote]
5v6 against the best team in Europe they sure stand a chance of having a close game dont they sure seems like a good use of my time if I was going to play it
So what's the issue with delaying it into next year? I understand why people can't in the lead up to christmas, but can't it be delayed even further? It's the last game of the season; it's not like it's going to affect others games is it? Or is that just dumb?
So what's the issue with delaying it into next year? I understand why people can't in the lead up to christmas, but can't it be delayed even further? It's the last game of the season; it's not like it's going to affect others games is it? Or is that just dumb?
as far as I can ascertain, the root cause of this blow up is that 2nuts is too sexy?
as far as I can ascertain, the root cause of this blow up is that 2nuts is too sexy?
HaydnSo what's the issue with delaying it into next year? I understand why people can't in the lead up to christmas, but can't it be delayed even further? It's the last game of the season; it's not like it's going to affect others games is it? Or is that just dumb?
honestly seeing how this went down now we are all just happy to get it over with and i think that applies for epsilon aswell
cu on Friday the 13th matchtime 21:15
[quote=Haydn]So what's the issue with delaying it into next year? I understand why people can't in the lead up to christmas, but can't it be delayed even further? It's the last game of the season; it's not like it's going to affect others games is it? Or is that just dumb?[/quote]
honestly seeing how this went down now we are all just happy to get it over with and i think that applies for epsilon aswell
cu on Friday the 13th matchtime 21:15