if i got banned from a pretty major pug group, id be kinda mad and i doubt im the only one that would if it happened to them :/

I never said it was okay that she said that. In fact, it's pretty weak that Elena let that slip and nobody should give her a pass for that. But tbh a shit flinging contest literally accomplishes nothing but stir up drama that will be forgotten in 48 hours. How about a civil presentation of her poor behavior to other admins? Let her words speak for themselves instead of debasing your platform by hurling insults. In other words don't act like you're still in middle school.

elena is a jerk, doens't let me play scout in HL mix, as if I'm good at scout. Listens to her dumb admins who make decisions based on how they feel and not logic.

I wanna play in mix with my friends from various ethnicity's but Elena perma banned me for aliasing and pug scrimming with friends :(

I got banned a while back because I added as captain and got accused of stacking teams on purpose when I didn't know literally anyone in the pug.

hey, i'm pretty sure the last thing Steve "SteveC" Chen is trying to do is remain anonymous ok???

more fucking tf2 drama gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

First, way to -frag Lange for trying to guide this community toward something almost respectable. Shame on him. I know TF.TV is supposed to be our wild-west where the vigilante justice of -frags is the only law of the land, but it's really creating this toxicity and socio-centric idea where everyone outside your clique deserves no respect, and openly insulting/shaming other people is somehow OK. People have no way to defend themselves from shame threads like this, because our community tends to latch on to whatever the most popular person said first.

Please read the post and take me seriously even if there's a gray number next to it. SteveC, Decoy, and others that are banned/whatever usually have a long history of being rude and demeaning and annoying in the channel or in the community. These tiny excerpts are selectively chosen to make their point, just as any biased news source will try to make you think as they do. Critical reading, identifying bias, and common decency should've been taught to most of us by now.

Elena has been a reasonable person in my experience, and has been pretty damn responsive to legitimate apologies and suggestions. If you go talk to her rather than shaming her on a forum, you'll probably have better results. But regardless of that, let's say she's literally Hitler and is trying to kill competitive TF2 because she's jealous of how big SteveC's wiener is. That's okay, we all have our own theories.

Here's what you can do about it:
Play in pug.nahl instead. She has no authority there. Think of it as a pug system in which she has already been impeached. You already have what you're asking for.

The backburner pyros, the constant overextending demos, the medics running quick-fix and pocketing scouts the whole game, they're making really lame pugs for everyone but the people messing around. Everyone is so proud of you for getting a lot of kills by overextending and running dumb loadouts against low-level players. We really are. But when that happens, both teams are given a negative experience because one or two people are altering the flow of the game so that it's no longer any legitimate practice.

tl;dr: they should quit fucking around in low level pugs to boost their ego and populate the dead channel they blame their behavior on

I don't think they mix for ego boosting but maybe for fun. How dumb right?

smobo you are fighting the good fight and I cannot +frag enough

If you want to fuck around for fun, you can get the same experience in pubs or lobbies, where nobody has an expectation of serious competition. It's also easier to stack teams with your friends.

If you want the competition, there's always pugscrimming, pug.nahl, or whatever. Just try not to pugscrim and berate steel level players and call them racial slurs, this time.

edit: If neither of these sounds good, my guess is that you want to mess around while everyone else is competitive, which sorta implies you're only interested in annoying other people.

what

am i the only person who doesnt actually think a person is a dirtbag in real life when i call him a dirtbag on the internet

uh huh

reddit generation checking in, guys

It's hyperbole for sure, but you've gotta admit someone who posts as abrasively as you do couldn't do so in a lot of places.

I don't mean to derail the discussion, but to the defense of Decoy: he's always been really nice to me. I have not seen evidence that he can be less than congenial.

I've never played in mix (though, I probably should) so I can't really comment on Elena. It is kind of weird to call her out on the forums without more evidence than what was here. At least she's committed to it. I'll have to check it out and see for myself, I guess.

ballin out, also everyone once in awhile all i want to do is offclass in mix however due to a large amount of sand im currently banned.

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LMAO. Thanks.

a truly mature response to the situation at hand

I've played enough mix to know that Elena isn't that awful when she isn't taking criticism or hate.
An important part of being the leader of anything, though, is learning to take criticism (or racism, or sexism, or whatever) without making yourself look bad in the process. This is something Elena has yet to learn.

it's not papasmurf?

i know nothing about the elite level pyro play in HL but whats wrong with backburner? that shit has crits built into it... ?

huntsman is viable

It leaves your entire team vulnerable to spies unless they're used to a pyro running it (aka they can spycheck on their own without a pyro jammed halfway up their ass). Some teams do run full-time backburner pyros and it's a legitimate strategy but it's one the entire team has to agree to and feel comfortable running (read: impossible in mixes).

edit: if you're running a roaming pyro with the backburner (its only real use)

Pyro usually can't do a whole lot of damage in engagements because of heavies/sentries/scouts tearing him up if he tries to close the distance, so he's delegated to a defensive role that tries to support the demo/medic centerpiece, deny bombers, and spycheck. He really can't do that if he's constantly out of ammo from the backburner's downside, or if he's constantly dead from chasing frags.

Are we talking about ElenaMorning or pyros here? I'm pretty confused at the moment.

No one joins mix to boost egos. Kind of silly to suggest they do.

Aye but don't act like you wouldn't.

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edit: smobo ily now pls let me gib you a key for your good post