manaTo go back to these prize pots...
Would anyone be willing to split them up a bit more evenly? By that, I mean definitely keeping Plat's prize pot for the top 2 (and whoever else wants to pitch in), but also have smaller pots for individual players or new and upcoming teams in Open. I know from being in Open that anyone starting in their first season usually doesn't have the goal of trying to win but trying to improve, and I think that should be rewarded for playing in Open.
If we place anywhere other than dead last in Open, I will personally mail you a large quantity of noodle soup with an MSRP value of about $20.
[quote=mana]To go back to these prize pots...
Would anyone be willing to split them up a bit more evenly? By that, I mean definitely keeping Plat's prize pot for the top 2 (and whoever else wants to pitch in), but also have smaller pots for individual players or new and upcoming teams in Open. I know from being in Open that anyone starting in their first season usually doesn't have the goal of trying to win but trying to improve, and I think that should be rewarded for playing in Open.[/quote]
If we place anywhere other than dead last in Open, I will personally mail you a large quantity of noodle soup with an MSRP value of about $20.
shocka1My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.
the only hypocrisy here is that any one one of us has put far more time and money into this community than you have
i've long made peace with the fact that any season could be my last. i've accomplished what i've set out to many times over and there really isn't much in tf2 anymore that draws me in like it used to. esea gone? from a player point of view i'm perfectly okay with.
what i've been fighting for is the state of the competitive TF2 scene that i've spent thousands of hours promoting that'll almost certainly sink into mediocrity if ESEA-TF2 dies (so sorry if my posts have been a bit vitriolic)
[quote=shocka1]My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.[/quote]
the only hypocrisy here is that any one one of us has put far more time and money into this community than you have
i've long made peace with the fact that any season could be my last. i've accomplished what i've set out to many times over and there really isn't much in tf2 anymore that draws me in like it used to. esea gone? from a player point of view i'm perfectly okay with.
what i've been fighting for is the state of the competitive TF2 scene that i've spent thousands of hours promoting that'll almost certainly sink into mediocrity if ESEA-TF2 dies (so sorry if my posts have been a bit vitriolic)
shocka1enigmawhatever the "new" invite would be (main?)
you'd still be complaining
that was rhetorical, but sure...
enigmai've managed casts for seasons and can tell you that there's always a surplus of games and a shortage of people (fog, extine, etc can back me up on this)
plat and harb have casted games in the past at the expense of scrim time. demanding more to satisfy your wants is a bit hypocritical given that you just accused them of being selfish.
bottom line whatever contempt you seem to hold for the tf2 "bourgeois" is sorely misguided. the top of the scene will always exist, whether it be the players there now or the players that replace them (or one day maybe even you).
@Mana & @Enigma, you are missing the point.
My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.
Hypocrisy? There has been a huge rift between top and bottom for seasons now. Every other successful game, casual/lower level players respect and admire, aspire to be as good as, etc higher level players. This game is a paradox because of its casual pub nature. This was an attempt to bridge the rift and to inspire some real drive and competition in the open division, ideally to spark new blood for next season after a successful competition and recognition for the winners this season. If winning open and getting moved up actually meant something to people, the game might actually grow the way that it easily could.
Selfish to put up my own money to keep esea alive? Maybe, if that's how you look at it. But if that's the way you think, give me any example of a "selfless" deed? Any volunteering, charity, etc is done for selfish reasons, ie you FEEL good.
And to your point about us not contributing, harb and I have casted at least one or two im-main playoff matches for the past 3 seasons, with multiple invite games as well. I dont know about you but I have a 730-6 job and I'm out of town on weekends, so to give up part of the 2 hours a night I have free to acrim/play with my team to cast is a pretty large percentage of my free time. Anyway,go sign up for open, Ya might learn something.
[quote=shocka1][quote=enigma]whatever the "new" invite would be (main?)
you'd still be complaining[/quote]
that was rhetorical, but sure...
[quote=enigma]i've managed casts for seasons and can tell you that there's always a surplus of games and a shortage of people (fog, extine, etc can back me up on this)
plat and harb [i]have[/i] casted games in the past at the expense of scrim time. demanding more to satisfy [i]your[/i] wants is a bit hypocritical given that you just accused them of being selfish.
bottom line whatever contempt you seem to hold for the tf2 "bourgeois" is sorely misguided. the top of the scene will always exist, whether it be the players there now or the players that replace them (or one day maybe even you).[/quote]
@Mana & @Enigma, you are missing the point.
My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.[/quote]
Hypocrisy? There has been a huge rift between top and bottom for seasons now. Every other successful game, casual/lower level players respect and admire, aspire to be as good as, etc higher level players. This game is a paradox because of its casual pub nature. This was an attempt to bridge the rift and to inspire some real drive and competition in the open division, ideally to spark new blood for next season after a successful competition and recognition for the winners this season. If winning open and getting moved up actually meant something to people, the game might actually grow the way that it easily could.
Selfish to put up my own money to keep esea alive? Maybe, if that's how you look at it. But if that's the way you think, give me any example of a "selfless" deed? Any volunteering, charity, etc is done for selfish reasons, ie you FEEL good.
And to your point about us not contributing, harb and I have casted at least one or two im-main playoff matches for the past 3 seasons, with multiple invite games as well. I dont know about you but I have a 730-6 job and I'm out of town on weekends, so to give up part of the 2 hours a night I have free to acrim/play with my team to cast is a pretty large percentage of my free time. Anyway,go sign up for open, Ya might learn something.
I can't be the only one that reads threads solely for the chance that blinky has left his mark, can I?
I can't be the only one that reads threads solely for the chance that blinky has left his mark, can I?
KalkinWhat invite illuminati....
Don't play games with us, serpent!
http://imageshack.com/a/img194/387/inviteilluminati.jpg
[quote=Kalkin]What invite illuminati....[/quote]
Don't play games with us, serpent!
[img]http://imageshack.com/a/img194/387/inviteilluminati.jpg[/img]
JOEI can't be the only one that reads threads solely for the chance that blinky has left his mark, can I?
When the season starts and I stop posting everyone will be super bored again like last season. God it was awful loading the forums to see nothing. Killemdeader you're only posting public chat, and it's funny to me that you have that and looked it up. If I cared i'd go back in the logs but it's a dead issue that you lost.
Even when people are giving out free money you're trying to turn everyone into a villain. I'm not even playing invite this season i'm in main. I just want to video game with friends.
And to mana if a team truly deserves some kind of reward (lets say for example they finish 3rd and not in the top 2) then we should consider splitting the prize up. Fair is fair.
Mangachu, you of all people. Just no. I never stopped playing I just stopped posting because I had no reason too. Everyone knows what the forums do and mean.
[quote=JOE]I can't be the only one that reads threads solely for the chance that blinky has left his mark, can I?[/quote]
When the season starts and I stop posting everyone will be super bored again like last season. God it was awful loading the forums to see nothing. Killemdeader you're only posting public chat, and it's funny to me that you have that and looked it up. If I cared i'd go back in the logs but it's a dead issue that you lost.
Even when people are giving out free money you're trying to turn everyone into a villain. I'm not even playing invite this season i'm in main. I just want to video game with friends.
And to mana if a team truly deserves some kind of reward (lets say for example they finish 3rd and not in the top 2) then we should consider splitting the prize up. Fair is fair.
Mangachu, you of all people. Just no. I never stopped playing I just stopped posting because I had no reason too. Everyone knows what the forums do and mean.
blinKAnd to mana if a team truly deserves some kind of reward (lets say for example they finish 3rd and not in the top 2) then we should consider splitting the prize up. Fair is fair.
Yeah, I mean, it's just my opinion that the prize pot could be more effective if it was more than just the top 2. Someone else should figure that out since I'm already playing in Open (EDIT: by which I mean it'd be dumb if an Open player had a say in how prize pots for Open were done).
[quote=blinK]And to mana if a team truly deserves some kind of reward (lets say for example they finish 3rd and not in the top 2) then we should consider splitting the prize up. Fair is fair.[/quote]
Yeah, I mean, it's just my opinion that the prize pot could be more effective if it was more than just the top 2. Someone else should figure that out since I'm already playing in Open (EDIT: by which I mean it'd be dumb if an Open player had a say in how prize pots for Open were done).
blinKMangachu, you of all people. Just no. I never stopped playing I just stopped posting because I had no reason too. Everyone knows what the forums do and mean.
I miss the days when you didn't post then
Also 5 matches in two seasons could fit under the category of "stopped playing"
[quote=blinK]
Mangachu, you of all people. Just no. I never stopped playing I just stopped posting because I had no reason too. Everyone knows what the forums do and mean.[/quote]
I miss the days when you didn't post then
Also 5 matches in two seasons could fit under the category of "stopped playing"
? I only played half of season 14 if that's what you're asking. Otherwise I've played every season since S8. Why are YOU on my nuts now?
? I only played half of season 14 if that's what you're asking. Otherwise I've played every season since S8. Why are YOU on my nuts now?
Why the fuck are we attacking a dude for saying "hey, if you guys don't get ex-invite folks in your team and kick open's ass, i'll give you money?"
You didn't attack your dad for saying if you get good grades you can get that video game/whatever.
Quit being fucking retarded.
Why the fuck are we attacking a dude for saying "hey, if you guys don't get ex-invite folks in your team and kick open's ass, i'll give you money?"
You didn't attack your dad for saying if you get good grades you can get that video game/whatever.
Quit being fucking retarded.
shocka1enigmawhatever the "new" invite would be (main?)
you'd still be complaining
that was rhetorical, but sure...
enigmai've managed casts for seasons and can tell you that there's always a surplus of games and a shortage of people (fog, extine, etc can back me up on this)
plat and harb have casted games in the past at the expense of scrim time. demanding more to satisfy your wants is a bit hypocritical given that you just accused them of being selfish.
bottom line whatever contempt you seem to hold for the tf2 "bourgeois" is sorely misguided. the top of the scene will always exist, whether it be the players there now or the players that replace them (or one day maybe even you).
@Mana & @Enigma, you are missing the point.
My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.
my question is, if you want coverage so bad then why don't you just shut the fuck up and stream some matches. is your computer or internet shit? ok then get some of your friends to stream and you can join them, whats your excuse? why bitch to other people if you aren't gonna do it yourself
i did chill cast/streams of various open/im matches before, no one requested it i just fired up the stream and jumped in the stv. did some solo, other times had some bro's jump in too. it's not a difficult task, but if you want coverage from tf.tv you need to get 2 casters that aren't busy and someone to do the camera work...when that happens just fucking do it yourself you whiny bitch
[quote=shocka1][quote=enigma]whatever the "new" invite would be (main?)
you'd still be complaining[/quote]
that was rhetorical, but sure...
[quote=enigma]i've managed casts for seasons and can tell you that there's always a surplus of games and a shortage of people (fog, extine, etc can back me up on this)
plat and harb [i]have[/i] casted games in the past at the expense of scrim time. demanding more to satisfy [i]your[/i] wants is a bit hypocritical given that you just accused them of being selfish.
bottom line whatever contempt you seem to hold for the tf2 "bourgeois" is sorely misguided. the top of the scene will always exist, whether it be the players there now or the players that replace them (or one day maybe even you).[/quote]
@Mana & @Enigma, you are missing the point.
My point was never to imply it is anyone's job to help out 'lower level' players. The point of my post was to point out the hypocrisy. It was to point out how much they have NOT cared about lower level players, but now they do care when they NEED them.[/quote]
my question is, if you want coverage so bad then why don't you just shut the fuck up and stream some matches. is your computer or internet shit? ok then get some of your friends to stream and you can join them, whats your excuse? why bitch to other people if you aren't gonna do it yourself
i did chill cast/streams of various open/im matches before, no one requested it i just fired up the stream and jumped in the stv. did some solo, other times had some bro's jump in too. it's not a difficult task, but if you want coverage from tf.tv you need to get 2 casters that aren't busy and someone to do the camera work...when that happens just fucking do it yourself you whiny bitch
Hey, if anyone has good stream quality and is looking to do a few casual casts, I'd love to put some content out this upcoming season!
Hey, if anyone has good stream quality and is looking to do a few casual casts, I'd love to put some content out this upcoming season!
enigmathe only hypocrisy here is that any one one of us has put far more time and money into this community than you have
red herring. you do not have to be involved in a community (example: religion) to point out the hypocrisy/contradictions of it.
enigmawhat i've been fighting for is the state of the competitive TF2 scene that i've spent thousands of hours promoting that'll almost certainly sink into mediocrity if ESEA-TF2 dies (so sorry if my posts have been a bit vitriolic)
Before CEVO's reformation, everyone throughout the forums, as well as people I talk to outside of TFTV, were claiming TF2 is a dead game. Once CEVO stepped in and created an alternative to ESEA (which everyone hated on and ranted on threads about), TF2 started to gain hope. It moved a vast majority of players (old/new) over to CEVO, which then caused a problem for ESEA's pinnacle bunch. The movement from ESEA to CEVO might be a mediocre one, but you have to start somewhere.
PlatinumSelfish to put up my own money to keep esea alive? Maybe, if that's how you look at it. But if that's the way you think, give me any example of a "selfless" deed? Any volunteering, charity, etc is done for selfish reasons, ie you FEEL good.
There's a difference between doing something for moral reasons which result in your own happiness (i.e. You see others happy which causes you to be happy), VS, Having an agenda behind your "good" works, such as offering the once so-called "shitty" players money to keep "YOUR" league alive, mainly for your own benefit.
PlatinumAnd to your point about us not contributing, harb and I have casted at least one or two im-main playoff matches for the past 3 seasons, with multiple invite games as well. I dont know about you but I have a 730-6 job and I'm out of town on weekends, so to give up part of the 2 hours a night I have free to acrim/play with my team to cast is a pretty large percentage of my free time. Anyway,go sign up for open, Ya might learn something.
Again, I thought I cleared this up already. The 'casting' rant went off into another direction and strayed away from the main point and principle of your hypocrisy. I should have used a different example since you, along with (below) defy cannot grasp the concept of, 'using people is wrong'.
defymy question is, if you want coverage so bad then why don't you just shut the fuck up and stream some matches. is your computer or internet shit? ok then get some of your friends to stream and you can join them, whats your excuse? why bitch to other people if you aren't gonna do it yourself
Again, did you not read what I wrote above? You actually quoted it and STILL misrepresented the crux of my position. Either you are illiterate or love initiating fallacies.
defyi did chill cast/streams of various open/im matches before, no one requested it i just fired up the stream and jumped in the stv. did some solo, other times had some bro's jump in too. it's not a difficult task, but if you want coverage from tf.tv you need to get 2 casters that aren't busy and someone to do the camera work...when that happens just fucking do it yourself you whiny bitch
Sounds like TF2 is the least of your problems, mental case. Again, for the fourth time now, I never stated there is not enough footage. I pinpointed multiple instances where higher level players, such as Plat and Harb, were dismissing lower level players as essentially worthless (sometimes not even worth responding to). But now, since they actually NEED these lower level players to continue the ESEA season, they will do everything in their power to get on their (the lower level players) good side.
Do you still not understand, or should I diagram it for you? Usually angry people, such as yourself, learn better with pictures.
[quote=enigma]the only hypocrisy here is that any one one of us has put far more time and money into this community than you have[/quote]
red herring. you do not have to be involved in a community (example: religion) to point out the hypocrisy/contradictions of it.
[quote=enigma]what i've been fighting for is the state of the competitive TF2 scene that i've spent thousands of hours promoting that'll almost certainly sink into mediocrity if ESEA-TF2 dies (so sorry if my posts have been a bit vitriolic)[/quote]
Before CEVO's reformation, everyone throughout the forums, as well as people I talk to outside of TFTV, were claiming TF2 is a dead game. Once CEVO stepped in and created an alternative to ESEA (which everyone hated on and ranted on threads about), TF2 started to gain hope. It moved a vast majority of players (old/new) over to CEVO, which then caused a problem for ESEA's pinnacle bunch. The movement from ESEA to CEVO might be a mediocre one, but you have to start somewhere.
[quote=Platinum]Selfish to put up my own money to keep esea alive? Maybe, if that's how you look at it. But if that's the way you think, give me any example of a "selfless" deed? Any volunteering, charity, etc is done for selfish reasons, ie you FEEL good.[/quote]
There's a difference between doing something for moral reasons which result in your own happiness (i.e. You see others happy which causes you to be happy), VS, Having an agenda behind your "good" works, such as offering the once so-called "shitty" players money to keep "YOUR" league alive, mainly for your own benefit.
[quote=Platinum]And to your point about us not contributing, harb and I have casted at least one or two im-main playoff matches for the past 3 seasons, with multiple invite games as well. I dont know about you but I have a 730-6 job and I'm out of town on weekends, so to give up part of the 2 hours a night I have free to acrim/play with my team to cast is a pretty large percentage of my free time. Anyway,go sign up for open, Ya might learn something.[/quote]
Again, I thought I cleared this up already. The 'casting' rant went off into another direction and strayed away from the main point and principle of your hypocrisy. I should have used a different example since you, along with (below) defy cannot grasp the concept of, 'using people is wrong'.
[quote=defy]my question is, if you want coverage so bad then why don't you just shut the fuck up and stream some matches. is your computer or internet shit? ok then get some of your friends to stream and you can join them, whats your excuse? why bitch to other people if you aren't gonna do it yourself[/quote]
Again, did you not read what I wrote above? You actually quoted it and STILL misrepresented the crux of my position. Either you are illiterate or love initiating fallacies.
[quote=defy]i did chill cast/streams of various open/im matches before, no one requested it i just fired up the stream and jumped in the stv. did some solo, other times had some bro's jump in too. it's not a difficult task, but if you want coverage from tf.tv you need to get 2 casters that aren't busy and someone to do the camera work...when that happens just fucking do it yourself you whiny bitch[/quote]
Sounds like TF2 is the least of your problems, mental case. Again, for the fourth time now, I never stated there is not enough footage. I pinpointed multiple instances where higher level players, such as Plat and Harb, were dismissing lower level players as essentially worthless (sometimes not even worth responding to). But now, since they actually NEED these lower level players to continue the ESEA season, they will do everything in their power to get on their (the lower level players) good side.
Do you still not understand, or should I diagram it for you? Usually angry people, such as yourself, learn better with pictures.
someone read your post in less than a minute and -fragged you ^
someone read your post in less than a minute and -fragged you ^
I guess I don't understand why you are mad. Did I not sign your equalizer or something?
I guess I don't understand why you are mad. Did I not sign your equalizer or something?
shocka1 do you not want more money? why do you not want him to put money into open?
shocka1 do you not want more money? why do you not want him to put money into open?
Again, did you not read what I wrote above?
short answer, no because you're a colossal dumpster
[quote]Again, did you not read what I wrote above?[/quote]
short answer, no because you're a colossal dumpster
I TOO AM UPSET THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES ARE GIVING AWAY THEIR OWN MONEY AS AN INCENTIVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES!
I TOO AM UPSET THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES ARE GIVING AWAY THEIR OWN MONEY AS AN INCENTIVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES!
i don't understand why shocka is so mad invite players arent like running down open players and begging to help them.
why are you not losing your shit on IM & main players for not helping lower level players? main can help im, im can help open, etc. you fucking act like invite is the ONLY place low level folks can go for help. it's not.
and dude plat tossing $120 @ open is another way of him saying "hey i support esea and think its the league we should all be in" so take off the tin foil cap and have mom warm up some sleepy time jasmine tea so you can get a good nights sleep holy fuck.
i don't understand why shocka is so mad invite players arent like running down open players and begging to help them.
why are you not losing your shit on IM & main players for not helping lower level players? main can help im, im can help open, etc. you fucking act like invite is the ONLY place low level folks can go for help. it's not.
and dude plat tossing $120 @ open is another way of him saying "hey i support esea and think its the league we should all be in" so take off the tin foil cap and have mom warm up some sleepy time jasmine tea so you can get a good nights sleep holy fuck.
so take off the tin foil cap and have mom warm up some sleepy time jasmine tea so you can get a good nights sleep holy fuck.
http://i.imgur.com/BulsS.gif
[quote] so take off the tin foil cap and have mom warm up some sleepy time jasmine tea so you can get a good nights sleep holy fuck.[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/BulsS.gif[/img]
shocka1literally too stupid to tl;dr
Look, what IS your fucking issue?
You're saying he's using people. To what end? His prize pot? g00d j0ek. To play another season? Yeah, we'd probably all like a few more seasons of ESEA to make sure CEVO is still viable while having decent games.
He's literally saying quit being fucking shit at this game. It's been out for almost 7 fucking years, we still have people that have to get shit explained to them like a child. We have invite sandbaggers and pug teams shitting up open all the time, which is good; but they also should have the drive to actually be shitting on people at their level. I mean, I understand their point since having no dick is probably an advantage in this dumb community.
Is his wager completely plausible for somebody to attain? God yes. Is it likely? If you have a dick, a brain and some sort of hand-eye coordination, yes. Will you have to work hard for 3 months for 20 bucks? Yeah, but it'll look good.
you derailed a good thing because you're too fucking retarded to shut your mongoloid mouth.
[quote=shocka1]literally too stupid to tl;dr[/quote]
Look, what IS your fucking issue?
You're saying he's using people. To what end? His prize pot? g00d j0ek. To play another season? Yeah, we'd probably all like a few more seasons of ESEA to make sure CEVO is still viable while having decent games.
He's literally saying quit being fucking shit at this game. It's been out for almost 7 fucking years, we still have people that have to get shit explained to them like a child. We have invite sandbaggers and pug teams shitting up open all the time, which is good; but they also should have the drive to actually be shitting on people at their level. I mean, I understand their point since having no dick is probably an advantage in this dumb community.
Is his wager completely plausible for somebody to attain? God yes. Is it likely? If you have a dick, a brain and some sort of hand-eye coordination, yes. Will you have to work hard for 3 months for 20 bucks? Yeah, but it'll look good.
[b]you derailed a good thing because you're too fucking retarded to shut your mongoloid mouth.[/b]
squidp.s. i have a court date coming up (dui lol?)
im trying to imagine what squid looks like drunk and/or in handcuffs in a police car...
[quote=squid]p.s. i have a court date coming up (dui lol?) [/quote]
im trying to imagine what squid looks like drunk and/or in handcuffs in a police car...
i think esea restricts tf2 from growing if anything
i think esea restricts tf2 from growing if anything
poti think esea restricts tf2 from growing if anything
how does it restrict it from growing? i'm curious to hear your thinking behind it.
[quote=pot]i think esea restricts tf2 from growing if anything[/quote]
how does it restrict it from growing? i'm curious to hear your thinking behind it.
Player's perspective:
- Poor customer service
- Inflexibility
- Laggy Servers
- Very limited amount of servers available
- Often has a non-functional client
- Terrible move-up rules that usually cause major sandbagging
- Expensive
Viewer's Perspective:
- Massive delays for online games due to non-functional client, lack of DDOS protection (Every ESEA server we tried for Open finals got DDoS'd but the first private server we used never went down or lagged.)
- TF.TV twitch isn't allowed to cast LAN
- Apathy towards TF2 even during their LAN stream
I'm fairly certain ETF2L has always had more players than ESEA because all most comp TF2 players want is a cheap league to have fun in with their friends and try to win along the way.
Player's perspective:
[list]
[*] Poor customer service
[*] Inflexibility
[*] Laggy Servers
[*] Very limited amount of servers available
[*] Often has a non-functional client
[*] Terrible move-up rules that usually cause major sandbagging
[*] Expensive
[/list]
Viewer's Perspective:
[list]
[*]Massive delays for online games due to non-functional client, lack of DDOS protection (Every ESEA server we tried for Open finals got DDoS'd but the first private server we used never went down or lagged.)
[*]TF.TV twitch isn't allowed to cast LAN
[*]Apathy towards TF2 even during their LAN stream
[/list]
I'm fairly certain ETF2L has always had more players than ESEA because all most comp TF2 players want is a cheap league to have fun in with their friends and try to win along the way.
potPlayer's perspective: - Poor customer service
- Inflexibility
- Laggy Servers
- Very limited amount of servers available
- Often has a non-functional client
- Terrible move-up rules that usually cause major sandbagging
- Expensive
Viewer's Perspective:- Massive delays for online games due to non-functional client, lack of DDOS protection (Every ESEA server we tried for Open finals got DDoS'd but the first private server we used never went down or lagged.)
- TF.TV twitch isn't allowed to cast LAN
- Apathy towards TF2 even during their LAN stream
I'm fairly certain ETF2L has always had more players than ESEA because all most comp TF2 players want is a cheap league to have fun in with their friends and try to win along the way.
Whoever sees ESEA with these perspectives is pretty ignorant.
I have never experienced poor customer service.
I have never played on a laggy server.
Client was fucked up for 1 teammate, 1 time last season.
Move-up rules don't cause sandbagging.
Esea-O costs about 50 more dollars for the entire team than Cevo(not including the free premium for this season)
Why would TF.TV be allowed to steal viewers and ad revenue from ESEA stream?
Priority to the game that actually makes ESEA money is completely understandable.
[quote=pot]Player's perspective:
[list]
[*] Poor customer service
[*] Inflexibility
[*] Laggy Servers
[*] Very limited amount of servers available
[*] Often has a non-functional client
[*] Terrible move-up rules that usually cause major sandbagging
[*] Expensive
[/list]
Viewer's Perspective:
[list]
[*]Massive delays for online games due to non-functional client, lack of DDOS protection (Every ESEA server we tried for Open finals got DDoS'd but the first private server we used never went down or lagged.)
[*]TF.TV twitch isn't allowed to cast LAN
[*]Apathy towards TF2 even during their LAN stream
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I'm fairly certain ETF2L has always had more players than ESEA because all most comp TF2 players want is a cheap league to have fun in with their friends and try to win along the way.[/quote]
Whoever sees ESEA with these perspectives is pretty ignorant.
I have never experienced poor customer service.
I have never played on a laggy server.
Client was fucked up for 1 teammate, 1 time last season.
Move-up rules don't cause sandbagging.
Esea-O costs about 50 more dollars for the entire team than Cevo(not including the free premium for this season)
Why would TF.TV be allowed to steal viewers and ad revenue from ESEA stream?
Priority to the game that actually makes ESEA money is completely understandable.
Whoever sees ESEA with these perspectives is pretty ignorant.
You can't call someone's view ignorant and then go on spouting incorrect information for 5 minutes.
I have never experienced poor customer service.
That's a good sample size. Have you ever needed Killing/Kalkin to do anything for you? I know multiple people that have had one or more admins tell them to essentially "deal with it"
Refunds are non-existent even for legitimate reasons.
St. Patrick is still banned.
I have never played on a laggy server.
You either live in Chicago/Dallas or have been incredibly lucky. Most people I have played with have had issues with ping and lag outs. One of my matches had to change servers because the server was so awful
Client was fucked up for 1 teammate, 1 time last season.
You're either trolling me or have the worst memory of anyone I have encountered.
Open finals have been delayed by a day+ for 2 seasons straight
Your own teammate couldn't play a match because of client
IM finals were played off client because of client not being updated (CEVO client doesn't need to update every time TF2 is updated)
I know it was an anomaly but after the two week delay at the start of the season there was no compensation from ESEA for people who paid for premium right before their scheduled match time.
Move-up rules don't cause sandbagging.
Budsquad was going to play in IM if it weren't for ESEA's moveup rules. It would be silly to assume it was the only reason but it is one of the big reasons.
Esea-O costs about 50 more dollars for the entire team than Cevo(not including the free premium for this season)
Again, wtf? $21 for premium + $10 for the entry fee x 6 = 186 vs $15 x 6 which is only 90
Why would TF.TV be allowed to steal viewers and ad revenue from ESEA stream?
Priority to the game that actually makes ESEA money is completely understandable.
That's not relevant to the point of my post which was about all the ways ESEA's hampering TF2's growth
[quote]Whoever sees ESEA with these perspectives is pretty ignorant.[/quote]
You can't call someone's view ignorant and then go on spouting incorrect information for 5 minutes.
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I have never experienced poor customer service.[/quote]
That's a good sample size. Have you ever needed Killing/Kalkin to do anything for you? I know multiple people that have had one or more admins tell them to essentially "deal with it"
Refunds are non-existent even for legitimate reasons.
St. Patrick is still banned.
[quote]I have never played on a laggy server.[/quote]
You either live in Chicago/Dallas or have been incredibly lucky. Most people I have played with have had issues with ping and lag outs. One of my matches had to change servers because the server was so awful
[quote]Client was fucked up for 1 teammate, 1 time last season.[/quote]
You're either trolling me or have the worst memory of anyone I have encountered.
Open finals have been delayed by a day+ for 2 seasons straight
Your own teammate couldn't play a match because of client
IM finals were played off client because of client not being updated (CEVO client doesn't need to update every time TF2 is updated)
I know it was an anomaly but after the two week delay at the start of the season there was no compensation from ESEA for people who paid for premium right before their scheduled match time.
[quote]Move-up rules don't cause sandbagging.[/quote]
Budsquad was going to play in IM if it weren't for ESEA's moveup rules. It would be silly to assume it was the only reason but it is one of the big reasons.
[quote]Esea-O costs about 50 more dollars for the entire team than Cevo(not including the free premium for this season)[/quote]
Again, wtf? $21 for premium + $10 for the entry fee x 6 = 186 vs $15 x 6 which is only 90
[quote]Why would TF.TV be allowed to steal viewers and ad revenue from ESEA stream?
Priority to the game that actually makes ESEA money is completely understandable.
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That's not relevant to the point of my post which was about all the ways ESEA's hampering TF2's growth
If someone wants to pay money to open players when it might help keep a league alive, COOL.
If someone wants to pay money to open players when it might help keep a league alive, COOL.