Recently I have seen a lot of scandals regarding votes being changed, machines being toyed with, and people being refused to vote at certain places because they are not voting for a certain candidate. Why isn't this a bigger deal? Isn't messing with votes and machines highly illegal?
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Recently I have seen a lot of scandals regarding votes being changed, machines being toyed with, and people being refused to vote at certain places because they are not voting for a certain candidate. Why isn't this a bigger deal? Isn't messing with votes and machines highly illegal?
can't prove it isn't touchscreen calibration problems
can't prove it isn't touchscreen calibration problems
mass fraud and corruption?
they get one small, ineffectual case (republican planning to fake 400+ votes) and "assume" it's independent of any larger scheme. give me a break
mass fraud and corruption?
they get one small, ineffectual case (republican planning to fake 400+ votes) and "assume" it's independent of any larger scheme. give me a break
they get one small, ineffectual case (republican planning to fake 400+ votes) and "assume" it's independent of any larger scheme. give me a break
Last time I checked popular vote doesn't matter, so I doubt they'll really do anything with the systems
Last time I checked popular vote doesn't matter, so I doubt they'll really do anything with the systems
When I voted on an electronic machine it showed a paper trail of all what I voted for. I liked this because it showed that my vote wasn't being tampered with. Would be nice to see a paper-less way of verifying my vote though.
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?
When I voted on an electronic machine it showed a paper trail of all what I voted for. I liked this because it showed that my vote wasn't being tampered with. Would be nice to see a paper-less way of verifying my vote though.
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?
SakuraWhen I voted on an electronic machine it showed a paper trail of all what I voted for. I liked this because it showed that my vote wasn't being tampered with. Would be nice to see a paper-less way of verifying my vote though.
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?
One of the professors at my university (Alex Halderman) gave a talk today about election security. Right now, having a redundant paper trail (with spot checking) is the best way to verify votes.
[quote=Sakura]When I voted on an electronic machine it showed a paper trail of all what I voted for. I liked this because it showed that my vote wasn't being tampered with. Would be nice to see a paper-less way of verifying my vote though.
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?[/quote]
One of the professors at my university (Alex Halderman) gave a talk today about election security. Right now, having a redundant paper trail (with spot checking) is the best way to verify votes.
Sounds like this should be a bigger deal if this is true. Do you have a news article?[/quote]
One of the professors at my university (Alex Halderman) gave a talk today about election security. Right now, having a redundant paper trail (with spot checking) is the best way to verify votes.
I think it speaks more to money in politics. Look at the incentives of people working at polls and incentives of parties to fix votes. It's not like you get 50 years in jail if you mess up a count, and even if you did, some people would still be able to be convinced to do it for the "right" cause. No one is perfectly impartial or perfect, and it's hard to make a system that needs to be so large perfect, especially in a starkly anti-federal government policy environment.
I think it speaks more to money in politics. Look at the incentives of people working at polls and incentives of parties to fix votes. It's not like you get 50 years in jail if you mess up a count, and even if you did, some people would still be able to be convinced to do it for the "right" cause. No one is perfectly impartial or perfect, and it's hard to make a system that needs to be so large perfect, especially in a starkly anti-federal government policy environment.
cmon, when has a candidate ever lost because of vote tampering?
oh yeah, Al Gore in 2000 nvm
cmon, when has a candidate ever lost because of vote tampering?
oh yeah, Al Gore in 2000 nvm
oh yeah, Al Gore in 2000 nvm
kirbyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM
don't lie we know who you voted for.
[quote=kirby][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM[/youtube][/quote]
don't lie we know who you voted for.
don't lie we know who you voted for.
Nin2246don't lie we know who you voted for.
b4nny 2012
[quote=Nin2246]don't lie we know who you voted for.[/quote]
b4nny 2012
b4nny 2012
not having a popular vote makes the whole issue moot anyway
not having a popular vote makes the whole issue moot anyway
It doesn't matter when our congress can get unlimited donations from lobbyists representing corporations.
Thanks Supreme Court.
It doesn't matter when our congress can get unlimited donations from lobbyists representing corporations.
Thanks Supreme Court.
Thanks Supreme Court.
Foxcan't prove it isn't touchscreen calibration problems
???
we live in the year 2012. touchscreen technology is has evolved to the point of excessive ubiquity and accuracy. it's extremely unlikely that government manufactured machines designed with a single functionality in mind would be less accurate than the smart phones that you see every day.
if this IS a calibration issue then that's another issue entirely that just says a lot about the integrity, accuracy, and reliability of electronic voting.
also, obligatory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
[quote=Fox]can't prove it isn't touchscreen calibration problems[/quote]
???
we live in the year 2012. touchscreen technology is has evolved to the point of excessive ubiquity and accuracy. it's extremely unlikely that government manufactured machines designed with a single functionality in mind would be less accurate than the smart phones that you see every day.
if this IS a calibration issue then that's another issue entirely that just says a lot about the integrity, accuracy, and reliability of electronic voting.
also, obligatory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
???
we live in the year 2012. touchscreen technology is has evolved to the point of excessive ubiquity and accuracy. it's extremely unlikely that government manufactured machines designed with a single functionality in mind would be less accurate than the smart phones that you see every day.
if this IS a calibration issue then that's another issue entirely that just says a lot about the integrity, accuracy, and reliability of electronic voting.
also, obligatory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
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