https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h115uVoAio
Player's ping affects flamethrower range. The higher the ping, the lower the range. Even such minor differences as 20 are noticable in a pyro on pyro duel.
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Valve fucks up, Pyro's flamethrower is broken
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h115uVoAio
Player's ping affects flamethrower range. The higher the ping, the lower the range. Even such minor differences as 20 are noticable in a pyro on pyro duel.
Player's ping affects flamethrower range. The higher the ping, the lower the range. Even such minor differences as 20 are noticable in a pyro on pyro duel.
isnt this how its always been
its not broken, this is how projectiles work in tf2, and making the flamethrower a non-projectile isnt possible/would be broken
isnt this how its always been
its not broken, this is how projectiles work in tf2, and making the flamethrower a non-projectile isnt possible/would be broken
its not broken, this is how projectiles work in tf2, and making the flamethrower a non-projectile isnt possible/would be broken
now valve just has to add 200+ ping whenever someone spawns as pyro
now valve just has to add 200+ ping whenever someone spawns as pyro
It sort of has, took me a while to find out exactly what was causing the range differences. Still, even if it was like this for a while, it's broken as hell.
It sort of has, took me a while to find out exactly what was causing the range differences. Still, even if it was like this for a while, it's broken as hell.
How else would they make the flamethrower work? If they made it hitscan, pyro would be even dumber and it's already the dumbest class in the game. This is like complaining that rockets are broken because they are harder to aim with 90 ping than they are with 20 ping.
How else would they make the flamethrower work? If they made it hitscan, pyro would be even dumber and it's already the dumbest class in the game. This is like complaining that rockets are broken because they are harder to aim with 90 ping than they are with 20 ping.
Didn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.
Didn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.
HuckHow else would they make the flamethrower work? If they made it hitscan, pyro would be even dumber and it's already the dumbest class in the game. This is like complaining that rockets are broken because they are harder to aim with 90 ping than they are with 20 ping.
dumbest class is engineer
[quote=Huck]How else would they make the flamethrower work? If they made it hitscan, pyro would be even dumber and it's already the dumbest class in the game. This is like complaining that rockets are broken because they are harder to aim with 90 ping than they are with 20 ping.[/quote]
dumbest class is engineer
dumbest class is engineer
omniDidn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.
It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ
[quote=omni]Didn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.[/quote]
It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ
It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ
Personal Class Stats _
Time PlayedMax PointsMax KillsMax Damage Longest Life
333:21 11,586 60 61 Pyro
1577.2 hrs
1577.2 hours and u didnt fucking notice that ping affected a projectile
HoLy ShIt
Personal Class Stats _
Time PlayedMax PointsMax KillsMax Damage Longest Life
333:21 11,586 60 61 Pyro
1577.2 hrs
1577.2 hours and u didnt fucking notice that ping affected a projectile
HoLy ShIt
Time PlayedMax PointsMax KillsMax Damage Longest Life
333:21 11,586 60 61 Pyro
1577.2 hrs
1577.2 hours and u didnt fucking notice that ping affected a projectile
HoLy ShIt
why do you think even highlander players want a real lan
why do you think even highlander players want a real lan
Of course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.
Of course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.
HuckomniDidn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ
Nope, it was a different video, although this basically covers the same thing.
[quote=Huck][quote=omni]Didn't Huey Lewis make a video explaining how Ping affects Pyro? I think he's deleted it now though.[/quote]
It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ[/quote]
Nope, it was a different video, although this basically covers the same thing.
It was TMP's video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b17V2onfgQ[/quote]
Nope, it was a different video, although this basically covers the same thing.
jediflamasterOf course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.
Its not a gamebreaking bug. Thats like saying an Ethiopian soldier with 700 ping can't hit rockets because they delay for a million seconds is a game breaking bug. Of course ping matters. Thats why having LAN finals is so important for tf2.
[quote=jediflamaster]Of course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.[/quote]
Its not a gamebreaking bug. Thats like saying an Ethiopian soldier with 700 ping can't hit rockets because they delay for a million seconds is a game breaking bug. Of course ping matters. Thats why having LAN finals is so important for tf2.
Its not a gamebreaking bug. Thats like saying an Ethiopian soldier with 700 ping can't hit rockets because they delay for a million seconds is a game breaking bug. Of course ping matters. Thats why having LAN finals is so important for tf2.
jediflamasterWhat I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes
But it doesn't. net_fakelag doesn't work properly. It's pretty much exclusively meant for lag compensation testing, anything else is not guaranteed to be unaffected.
[quote=jediflamaster]What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes[/quote]
But it doesn't. net_fakelag doesn't work properly. It's pretty much exclusively meant for lag compensation testing, anything else is not guaranteed to be unaffected.
But it doesn't. net_fakelag doesn't work properly. It's pretty much exclusively meant for lag compensation testing, anything else is not guaranteed to be unaffected.
jediflamasterOf course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.
im a pyro main and i find it dumb that people who arent pyro mains and who understand how cripplingly stupid the class is dont give a shit when something works exactly how it should in a source engine game
if ~20+ ping is keeping u from killing people on pyro in tf2 im not sure how u manage to tie ur own shoes
[quote=jediflamaster]Of course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.[/quote]
im a pyro main and i find it dumb that people who arent pyro mains and who understand how cripplingly stupid the class is dont give a shit when something works exactly how it should in a source engine game
if ~20+ ping is keeping u from killing people on pyro in tf2 im not sure how u manage to tie ur own shoes
im a pyro main and i find it dumb that people who arent pyro mains and who understand how cripplingly stupid the class is dont give a shit when something works exactly how it should in a source engine game
if ~20+ ping is keeping u from killing people on pyro in tf2 im not sure how u manage to tie ur own shoes
jediflamasterOf course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.
We care about game breaking bugs. This isn't a game breaking bug. This isn't an issue unless you have 100+ ping, at which point all the other projectile classes become extremely hard to play.
Besides, any change that makes pyro better is a bad change.
[quote=jediflamaster]Of course I knew ping affected projectiles. What I didn't figure out until recently is ping affecting projectile lifetimes, call me stupid all you want, I still find it dumber that barely any of you cares about a game breaking bug.[/quote]
We care about game breaking bugs. This isn't a game breaking bug. This isn't an issue unless you have 100+ ping, at which point all the other projectile classes become extremely hard to play.
Besides, any change that makes pyro better is a bad change.
We care about game breaking bugs. This isn't a game breaking bug. This isn't an issue unless you have 100+ ping, at which point all the other projectile classes become extremely hard to play.
Besides, any change that makes pyro better is a bad change.
Why are we ignoring that he brings up an extremely valid point? The flamethrower having shorter reach with higher ping is very stupid and very fixable and has nothing to do with how easy or hard the pyro or any other class is to play.
if you watch the video there is clearly something wrong
AyRIt's not that the range of the flame particles is reduced, it's that you're missing cos you aren't compensating for the higher ping enough (probably). Flamethrower range itself isn't affected but other things are
you didn't watch the video
Why are we ignoring that he brings up an extremely valid point? The flamethrower having shorter reach with higher ping is very stupid and very fixable and has nothing to do with how easy or hard the pyro or any other class is to play.
if you watch the video there is [i]clearly[/i] something wrong
[quote=AyR]It's not that the range of the flame particles is reduced, it's that you're missing cos you aren't compensating for the higher ping enough (probably). Flamethrower range itself isn't affected but other things are[/quote]
you didn't watch the video
if you watch the video there is [i]clearly[/i] something wrong
[quote=AyR]It's not that the range of the flame particles is reduced, it's that you're missing cos you aren't compensating for the higher ping enough (probably). Flamethrower range itself isn't affected but other things are[/quote]
you didn't watch the video
yea i don't get why ping should affect how far a projectile travels (which the video clearly proves, he did not move at all, just pressed a bind)
hopefully net_fakelag is broken like somebody mentioned.
yea i don't get why ping should affect how far a projectile travels (which the video clearly proves, he did not move at all, just pressed a bind)
hopefully net_fakelag is broken like somebody mentioned.
hopefully net_fakelag is broken like somebody mentioned.
No, ping shouldn't affect projectile lifetime. That should be fixed if it is simple and doesn't break anything bigger.
No, this isn't gamebreaking. It barely affects anything.
No, ping shouldn't affect projectile lifetime. That should be fixed if it is simple and doesn't break anything bigger.
No, this isn't gamebreaking. It barely affects anything.
No, this isn't gamebreaking. It barely affects anything.
Cole
what happened with the negative 24 frags
[quote=Cole][/quote]
what happened with the negative 24 frags
what happened with the negative 24 frags
Lets face it, if a bug like this happened on a 6v6 class the community would go nuts about how gamebreaking it is, because its pyro, nobody cares. I personally think that its not gamebreaking, but its also not a negligible bug either. Everyone is just underreacting because pyro, just like they would overreact if it was for example medic.
Lets face it, if a bug like this happened on a 6v6 class the community would go nuts about how gamebreaking it is, because its pyro, nobody cares. I personally think that its not gamebreaking, but its also not a negligible bug either. Everyone is just underreacting because pyro, just like they would overreact if it was for example medic.
I think we are reacting appropriately because anyone who isn't retarded understands that higher ping = delayed projectiles.
I think we are reacting appropriately because anyone who isn't retarded understands that higher ping = delayed projectiles.
If this is such a big issue you should consider not playing on servers where your ping is fuckballs high.
If this is such a big issue you should consider not playing on servers where your ping is fuckballs high.
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