defyspacecadet your name rings true every single thought you put into this is hurting my brain please stop being such an idiot. can you even comprehend the thought of killing another human being? you keep trying to create all these stupid scenarios and false notions when in reality the person is dead. 4 cops with zero injuries that had no problem taking him down and now hes dead. good luck living with that on your conscious.
i seriously doubt your belief system would be the same if this happened to someone close to you like a family member. police brutality is real stop being so god damn naive, you're the type of person that thinks everyone else is wrong until something awful happens to you. please wake up
Right, because you know me so well. I am not some 15 year old who plays TF2 all day and posts on the boards for fun. I have been in several potentially fatal situations in my life, I have been in jail so I have first hand experience with police on this level.
If you want to go around listening to the media all day and let them determine your opinions for you, then that is your right. Never once did I say police brutality does not happen.
If this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".
Essentially most view points are simple based on what is popular at the moment. The media is a perfect example. Anything that has popular opinion is the view point media will support because they fear the backlash on a business level. Media never goes against popular opinion but they are very quick to add fuel to any fire.
I don't allow emotions or the opinions of others to make my decisions. I look at the facts and do it for myself.
[quote=defy]spacecadet your name rings true every single thought you put into this is hurting my brain please stop being such an idiot. can you even comprehend the thought of killing another human being? you keep trying to create all these stupid scenarios and false notions when in reality the person is dead. 4 cops with zero injuries that had no problem taking him down and now hes dead. good luck living with that on your conscious.
i seriously doubt your belief system would be the same if this happened to someone close to you like a family member. police brutality is real stop being so god damn naive, you're the type of person that thinks everyone else is wrong until something awful happens to you. please wake up[/quote]
Right, because you know me so well. I am not some 15 year old who plays TF2 all day and posts on the boards for fun. I have been in several potentially fatal situations in my life, I have been in jail so I have first hand experience with police on this level.
If you want to go around listening to the media all day and let them determine your opinions for you, then that is your right. Never once did I say police brutality does not happen.
If this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".
Essentially most view points are simple based on what is popular at the moment. The media is a perfect example. Anything that has popular opinion is the view point media will support because they fear the backlash on a business level. Media never goes against popular opinion but they are very quick to add fuel to any fire.
I don't allow emotions or the opinions of others to make my decisions. I look at the facts and do it for myself.
If this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".
you keep going on and on with all these asinine "what if" scenarios, there is no what if when a man is dead. thanks for proving my point of being completely thick headed. also what facts are you looking at? you have no concrete argument you're just long winded and talking out of your ass. stop droning on about the media my post was directed completely towards your thoughts and thats it.
[quote]If this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".[/quote]
you keep going on and on with all these asinine "what if" scenarios, there is no what if when a man is dead. thanks for proving my point of being completely thick headed. also what facts are you looking at? you have no concrete argument you're just long winded and talking out of your ass. stop droning on about the media my post was directed completely towards your thoughts and thats it.
defyIf this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".
you keep going on and on with all these asinine "what if" scenarios, there is no what if when a man is dead. thanks for proving my point of being completely thick headed. also what facts are you looking at? you have no concrete argument you're just long winded and talking out of your ass. stop droning on about the media my post was directed completely towards your thoughts and thats it.
That was infact, the only single "what if" thing I have said in any of my posts. Can you point out another?
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality. I did point out several facts, you on the other hand have said nothing of substance related to what happened to this guy.
[quote=defy][quote]If this guy would have pulled out a gun and accidentally shot a little kid instead of the police, you and others in the media would be the first people to point that same finger at the police and say "Why did they wait so long to get him in cuffs?".[/quote]
you keep going on and on with all these asinine "what if" scenarios, there is no what if when a man is dead. thanks for proving my point of being completely thick headed. also what facts are you looking at? you have no concrete argument you're just long winded and talking out of your ass. stop droning on about the media my post was directed completely towards your thoughts and thats it.[/quote]
That was infact, the only single "what if" thing I have said in any of my posts. Can you point out another?
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality. I did point out several facts, you on the other hand have said nothing of substance related to what happened to this guy.
SpaceCadet
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality.
The fuck are you talking about, he was on the ground with 5+ cops on top of him and he was still being choked out. How was he still a threat at that point?
[quote=SpaceCadet]
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality. [/quote]
The fuck are you talking about, he was on the ground with 5+ cops on top of him and he was still being choked out. How was he still a threat at that point?
SouthpawSpaceCadet
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality.
The fuck are you talking about, he was on the ground with 5+ cops on top of him and he was still being choked out. How was he still a threat at that point?
I doubt you read anything I posted if that is all you have to say. Like I said in my other posts which you did not read. Watch the ENTIRE video and not just the 7 seconds you saw on CNN.
[quote=Southpaw][quote=SpaceCadet]
You also dodged my main point with that "asinine scenario" that could have easily been reality. [/quote]
The fuck are you talking about, he was on the ground with 5+ cops on top of him and he was still being choked out. How was he still a threat at that point?[/quote]
I doubt you read anything I posted if that is all you have to say. Like I said in my other posts which you did not read. Watch the ENTIRE video and not just the 7 seconds you saw on CNN.
SpaceCadetYou should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
Like I said before. If he was innocent (and he may well have been), then he should have taken them to court and got paid. At most, he would have been taken to the police station and detained for a few hours and let go. You can't fight or resist arrest on the spot, it is NEVER going to work and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
When the police have determined you have to be detained or arrested for whatever reason, they do not have to sit around and wait for you to decide when you want to be arrested. They have a job to do and it is dangerous and can cost a life in a moments notice. If you show resistance during the process, you are going to be forcefully detained. Go watch the whole video and face the facts, this guy resisted arrest.
Please stop with the hypothetical argument, just because someone is angry and agitated does not mean they are going to pull an invisible weapon out of thin air - Garner did not make any violent advances whatsoever.
If someone, even an officer, puts you in a chokehold, would you not do everything to get him off of you? Even if you make the argument of him resisting arrest, you can't account for the fact that the man repeatedly said that he could not breathe, (while having a banned chokehold on him) and having your head crushed into a sidewalk does not help the arrest. Even after he goes limp, the officers made no attempt to perform CPR or show no haste in calling medical assistance until too late.
After he is dead, they have the AUDACITY to talk to this man as if he was alive - telling his dead body "to help us so we can help you". The lady checked his pulse, who obviously at that moment realized he was dead.
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know why people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even indicted. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.
[quote=SpaceCadet]
You should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
Like I said before. If he was innocent (and he may well have been), then he should have taken them to court and got paid. At most, he would have been taken to the police station and detained for a few hours and let go. You can't fight or resist arrest on the spot, it is NEVER going to work and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
When the police have determined you have to be detained or arrested for whatever reason, they do not have to sit around and wait for you to decide when you want to be arrested. They have a job to do and it is dangerous and can cost a life in a moments notice. If you show resistance during the process, you are going to be forcefully detained. Go watch the whole video and face the facts, this guy resisted arrest.[/quote]
Please stop with the hypothetical argument, just because someone is angry and agitated does not mean they are going to pull an invisible weapon out of thin air - Garner did not make any violent advances whatsoever.
If someone, even an officer, puts you in a chokehold, would you not do everything to get him off of you? Even if you make the argument of him resisting arrest, you can't account for the fact that the man repeatedly said that he could not breathe, (while having a banned chokehold on him) and having your head crushed into a sidewalk does not help the arrest. Even after he goes limp, the officers made no attempt to perform CPR or show no haste in calling medical assistance until too late.
After he is dead, they have the AUDACITY to talk to this man as if he was alive - telling his [i]dead body[/i] "to help us so we can help you". The lady checked his pulse, who obviously at that moment realized he was dead.
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know [i]why[/i] people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even [i]indicted[/i]. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.
SpaceCadetRight, because you know me so well. I am not some 15 year old who plays TF2 all day and posts on the boards for fun. I have been in several potentially fatal situations in my life, I have been in jail so I have first hand experience with police on this level.
SpaceCadetYou should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
It's sad that you're not a 15 year old because maybe there would be some justification for your viewpoint. Your average 15 year old with probably display more foresight than you. And I'm also disappointed that your stint in jail did not help you have better judgement in a situation that is this obvious.
The protesters aren't complaining about the 3-5 minutes before the strangling. I don't understand why I should be so impressed that these officers were actually doing their job for a brief period of time. But it's when they crossed the line and used excessive force is what we're complaining about.
[quote=SpaceCadet]
Right, because you know me so well. I am not some 15 year old who plays TF2 all day and posts on the boards for fun. I have been in several potentially fatal situations in my life, I have been in jail so I have first hand experience with police on this level.
[/quote]
[quote=SpaceCadet]
You should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
[/quote]
It's sad that you're not a 15 year old because maybe there would be some justification for your viewpoint. Your average 15 year old with probably display more foresight than you. And I'm also disappointed that your stint in jail did not help you have better judgement in a situation that is this obvious.
The protesters aren't complaining about the 3-5 minutes before the strangling. I don't understand why I should be so impressed that these officers were actually doing their job for a brief period of time. But it's when they crossed the line and used excessive force is what we're complaining about.
ninja'd by boppet and he said it better than I could have
ninja'd by boppet and he said it better than I could have
boppetEric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know why people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even indicted. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.
News flash, you do not need to physically touch a police officer to resist arrest. The officers had probable cause to arrest/detain this guy and he refused to comply. That is textbook resisting arrest.
Why should he have been indicted? The guy resisted arrest. What other course of action did he leave the police? Please tell me what the next step was for the police?
I am still waiting patiently for any of you to explain how this guy was NOT resisting arrest. Stop trying to act as if this guy did nothing wrong during the confrontation.
[quote=boppet]
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know [i]why[/i] people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even [i]indicted[/i]. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.[/quote]
News flash, you do not need to physically touch a police officer to resist arrest. The officers had probable cause to arrest/detain this guy and he refused to comply. That is textbook resisting arrest.
Why should he have been indicted? The guy resisted arrest. What other course of action did he leave the police? Please tell me what the next step was for the police?
[b]I am still waiting patiently for any of you to explain how this guy was NOT resisting arrest[/b]. Stop trying to act as if this guy did nothing wrong during the confrontation.
SpaceCadetboppetSpaceCadetYou should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
Like I said before. If he was innocent (and he may well have been), then he should have taken them to court and got paid. At most, he would have been taken to the police station and detained for a few hours and let go. You can't fight or resist arrest on the spot, it is NEVER going to work and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
When the police have determined you have to be detained or arrested for whatever reason, they do not have to sit around and wait for you to decide when you want to be arrested. They have a job to do and it is dangerous and can cost a life in a moments notice. If you show resistance during the process, you are going to be forcefully detained. Go watch the whole video and face the facts, this guy resisted arrest.
Please stop with the hypothetical argument, just because someone is angry and agitated does not mean they are going to pull an invisible weapon out of thin air - Garner did not make any violent advances whatsoever.
If someone, even an officer, puts you in a chokehold, would you not do everything to get him off of you? Even if you make the argument of him resisting arrest, you can't account for the fact that the man repeatedly said that he could not breathe, (while having a banned chokehold on him) and having your head crushed into a sidewalk does not help the arrest. Even after he goes limp, the officers made no attempt to perform CPR or show no haste in calling medical assistance until too late.
After he is dead, they have the AUDACITY to talk to this man as if he was alive - telling his dead body "to help us so we can help you". The lady checked his pulse, who obviously at that moment realized he was dead.
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know why people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even indicted. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.
Why should he have been indicted? The guy resisted arrest. What other course of action did he leave the police? Please tell me what the next step was for the police?
I am still waiting patiently for any of you to explain how this guy was NOT resisting arrest. He was told that he was being arrested/detained. He plainly said 2 times, Don't touch me in response. That is resisting arrest. Stop trying to act as if this guy did nothing wrong during the confrontation.
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=boppet][quote=SpaceCadet]
You should watch the whole video of this incident and not just the 10 second edit showing the takedown and choke hold. For at least 3-5 minutes ,prior to the physical stuff, the police were simply talking and giving instructions. The police were not being aggressive in any manner. This guy was getting more and more agitated as the seconds passed. When people act that way, it raises the tension level for everyone involved. He could snap and go for a weapon at any second.
Like I said before. If he was innocent (and he may well have been), then he should have taken them to court and got paid. At most, he would have been taken to the police station and detained for a few hours and let go. You can't fight or resist arrest on the spot, it is NEVER going to work and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
When the police have determined you have to be detained or arrested for whatever reason, they do not have to sit around and wait for you to decide when you want to be arrested. They have a job to do and it is dangerous and can cost a life in a moments notice. If you show resistance during the process, you are going to be forcefully detained. Go watch the whole video and face the facts, this guy resisted arrest.[/quote]
Please stop with the hypothetical argument, just because someone is angry and agitated does not mean they are going to pull an invisible weapon out of thin air - Garner did not make any violent advances whatsoever.
If someone, even an officer, puts you in a chokehold, would you not do everything to get him off of you? Even if you make the argument of him resisting arrest, you can't account for the fact that the man repeatedly said that he could not breathe, (while having a banned chokehold on him) and having your head crushed into a sidewalk does not help the arrest. Even after he goes limp, the officers made no attempt to perform CPR or show no haste in calling medical assistance until too late.
After he is dead, they have the AUDACITY to talk to this man as if he was alive - telling his [i]dead body[/i] "to help us so we can help you". The lady checked his pulse, who obviously at that moment realized he was dead.
Eric Garner NEVER attacked any of the officers and never showed a threat. He never touched any of the police officers. Even while Garner was being taken down, he still did NOT try to get away or attack any of the officers. He was never a threat was killed. The officer on the chokehold SHOULD HAVE in my opinion, pay for this. Even if he didn't mean to kill him, he made a wrong decision and there are consequences to that, such as manslaughter etc.
Also, do you know [i]why[/i] people are so angry about these cases? It's because he wasn't even [i]indicted[/i]. It's one thing to go to trial and be found not guilty. I'm sure people will be more open to that, (despite the anger it may still cause) But not being able to even ENTERTAIN THE IDEA that something wrong was done, they brush it off as a non-controversy.[/quote]
Why should he have been indicted? The guy resisted arrest. What other course of action did he leave the police? Please tell me what the next step was for the police?
[b]I am still waiting patiently for any of you to explain how this guy was NOT resisting arrest[/b]. He was told that he was being arrested/detained. He plainly said 2 times, Don't touch me in response. That is resisting arrest. Stop trying to act as if this guy did nothing wrong during the confrontation.[/quote]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
DrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
[quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
SpaceCadetDrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
I'm speechless.
[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
[b]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force.[/b] They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
I'm speechless.
Just stop posting SpaceCadet.
Just stop posting SpaceCadet.
DrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
I'm speechless.
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?
[quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
[b]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force.[/b] They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
I'm speechless.[/quote]
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?
SpaceCadetDrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
I'm speechless.
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma
Alright, stop trolling now.
[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
[b]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force.[/b] They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
I'm speechless.[/quote]
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?[/quote]
[b]Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma[/b]
Alright, stop trolling now.
Spacecadet ur brain is a spacecadet.
Spacecadet ur brain is a spacecadet.
DrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
I'm speechless.
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma
Alright, stop trolling now.
I don't understand. Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda? He was very overweight, he did have Asthma.
He was not put in a MMA style choke hold where the officer was choking him to deny him air. He was taken down by the neck which is the correct technique. There is a HUGE difference between those two things but they are both being folded into the word "choke".
[quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
[b]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force.[/b] They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
I'm speechless.[/quote]
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?[/quote]
[b]Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma[/b]
Alright, stop trolling now.[/quote]
I don't understand. Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda? He was very overweight, he did have Asthma.
He was not put in a MMA style choke hold where the officer was choking him to deny him air. He was taken down by the neck which is the correct technique. There is a HUGE difference between those two things but they are both being folded into the word "choke".
Dude don't spread bullshit about 'correct technique' you have no real life experience with any of that stuff, don't talk shit. It was correct technique, FOR A CHOKEHOLD. There's a fucking video of the cop murdering the dude. Like he could have stopped any time after the subdued him but he kept the fucking hold you moron.
I understand, most cops in our nation are good people that don't do things like this, and it's hard to get that there are some shitty policemen. I don't think the actions of the minority represent every cop, but when someone does something so fucking evil, they should be punished. But because you can't get it around your dumb head that there are both good and bad cops, you defend something that even most cops think is crap.
Seriously, grow the fuck up.
Dude don't spread bullshit about 'correct technique' you have no real life experience with any of that stuff, don't talk shit. It was correct technique, FOR A CHOKEHOLD. There's a fucking video of the cop murdering the dude. Like he could have stopped any time after the subdued him but he kept the fucking hold you moron.
I understand, most cops in our nation are good people that don't do things like this, and it's hard to get that there are some shitty policemen. I don't think the actions of the minority represent every cop, but when someone does something so fucking evil, they should be punished. But because you can't get it around your dumb head that there are both good and bad cops, you defend something that even most cops think is crap.
Seriously, grow the fuck up.
SpaceCadetDrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremySpaceCadetDrJeremyYou have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.
You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
I'm speechless.
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma
Alright, stop trolling now.
I don't understand. Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda? He was very overweight, he did have Asthma.
He was not put in a MMA style choke hold where the officer was choking him to deny him air. He was taken down by the neck which is the correct technique. There is a HUGE difference between those two things but they are both being folded into the word "choke".
You really can't be this stupid
He didn't fucking die from "being overweight and having asthma" - face the fucking facts and acknowledge that he was put into a chokehold, which was ruled a homocide.
Read the first line of this article.
Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda?
[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=DrJeremy]
You have to be kidding or really, really, really dumb
-He should have been indicted because he used an illegal technique of excessive, lethal force to kill an unarmed, non-threatening person - hands up, then on the ground, and yelling "I can't breathe"
-There are so many other things that could have been done - handcuffs, pepper spray, baton, taser, or actually talking it out and explaining what the fuck is going on or not being a pig tryin to meet the quota
-No one is saying he should or should not have resisted arrest, but that Eric Garner did not pose enough of a threat to warrant lethal force - especially at the stage where he clearly verbally communicated that he could not breathe
You have to be braindead to actually think lethal force is the only course of option that could have possibly been taken. Seriously.[/quote]
[b]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force.[/b] They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
I'm speechless.[/quote]
Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma does not make what the police did "lethal force".
Would you say the same for someone getting tazered who had a bad heart?[/quote]
[b]Just because the guy died from being overweight and having asthma[/b]
Alright, stop trolling now.[/quote]
I don't understand. Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda? He was very overweight, he did have Asthma.
He was not put in a MMA style choke hold where the officer was choking him to deny him air. He was taken down by the neck which is the correct technique. There is a HUGE difference between those two things but they are both being folded into the word "choke".[/quote]
You really can't be this stupid
He didn't fucking die from "being overweight and having asthma" - face the fucking facts and acknowledge that he was put into a chokehold, which was ruled a homocide.
[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/eric-garner-death-ruled-homicide-medical-examiner-article-1.1888808]Read the first line of this article.[/url]
Are the facts and the truth not fitting into your agenda?
spacecadet needs a lobotomy
spacecadet needs a lobotomy
or a dick in his ass, then he can blame himself for dressing too sexy
or a dick in his ass, then he can blame himself for dressing too sexy
this thread gives me a headache
this thread gives me a headache
SpaceCadetYou have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.
So angrily proclaiming that you've done nothing wrong and pulling your arm away when a cop tries to grab it counts as resisting arrest and probably means that, at any moment, you are liable to pull out a concealed firearm and start blasting indiscriminately, but when the medical examiner states that the actions of the police lead directly to a man's death it somehow doesn't count as deadly force in your view?
They used force and someone died as a result. That is about as simple as it gets. In what fucking universe could it be considered anything other than deadly force?
Even if it wasn't actually a chokehold (which it most certainly was) it doesn't matter cause the police were also pressing him against the ground so he couldn't breath regardless
"He died because of 'compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,' according to medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/01/eric-garners-death-was-a-homicide-says-new-york-city-medical-examiner/)
[quote=SpaceCadet]You have to be braindead to think that what the police were doing was using lethal force. They were physically restraining a person resisting arrest.[/quote]
So angrily proclaiming that you've done nothing wrong and pulling your arm away when a cop tries to grab it counts as resisting arrest and probably means that, at any moment, you are liable to pull out a concealed firearm and start blasting indiscriminately, but when the medical examiner states that the actions of the police lead directly to a man's death it somehow doesn't count as deadly force in your view?
They used force and someone died as a result. That is about as simple as it gets. In what fucking universe could it be considered anything other than deadly force?
Even if it wasn't actually a chokehold (which it most certainly was) it doesn't matter cause the police were also pressing him against the ground so he couldn't breath regardless
"He died because of 'compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,' according to medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/01/eric-garners-death-was-a-homicide-says-new-york-city-medical-examiner/)