can't blame the player for cheating?
lol

cheating in games (especially at high level) is probably the worst thing.
so fuck cheaters. kick'em out, don't let them come back.
i agree with you when you say that admins should issue "proper punishment", but i think we should definitely blame players for cheating.
being a (AC) admin isn't the easiest of positions to be in and i am definitely less harsh when i judge admins, as opposed to judging cheaters.
don't get me wrong though, because i do realise that it's much up to AC staff to keep leagues clean and fun for (legit) players.. but fuck cheaters

vac bans are game specific
source: i've been hacking in ugc/lobbies for the past year and then hopping on CSGO for the same games

woah DON'T hack

hacking IS wrong

Is this like the dare equivalent to anti hacking or something

Perhaps I worded that a little badly for my meaning if you missed it. What I was referring to was that "players" in general will always be the same and there will be cheaters among the player population. That is what I mean by not blaming players. Naturally, the actual cheaters are pieces of shit.

That's actually quite sad.

Someone should code a toggleable 'cheat' for him that doesn't actially do anything... the placebo effect will probably help him just as much as +15% accuracy on his shotty does.

ahh ok, thanks for clarifying

We believe everyone should be given a second chance. There are people who are banned, return after a year and are clean. Most don't return, but still.

I agree repeat offenders need harsher punishments, I'll look into it.

There's a lot of misconceptions every time I see these threads. No-life wall of text incoming.

#1 Releasing evidence
No reputable league or game company would ever release evidence on a players ban. It just isn't done. Ever. Is the average player competent or unbiased enough to be able to review such evidence accurately? The material is always extremely technical, we're not talking Youtube videos with bad editing and effects here, or ignorant comments like "that shot was bs". More importantly, cheats and anti-cheats is a constant cat and mouse game. Cheats improve, AC adapts. If cheaters are aware of the methods used for catching them, they will adapt. I've always referred to this as a double edged sword, because a player has no way whatsoever to defend himself after a ban. Nonetheless this is entirely necessary for the overall good of the league. The majority of people asking to see evidence do so to satisfy their curiosity, which is not the best of reasons.

#2 "But he's bad" "but he was on lan"
Some people assume cheaters are bad at the game, which can be incorrect. When common players think of cheaters they might imagine a very young person that do it blatantly in pubs with ragehacks, not developing their game sense and positioning/aim because of the extra help they get, but could you imagine a competent competitive player with just a simple % increase in his accuracy? Players skill is entirely irrelevant for an AC admin because it's actual technical evidence that is used. It can be done on any class (medic with esp for example) and it shouldn't matter if the player is high profile or, excuse the term, a nobody. Public backlash should never be a factor, and every case should be treated equally. A cheater doesn't necessarily cheat 24/7. It can be utilized on a random pub or on a crucial moment in an official where you need a medic pick, just to give an example. A person can go 0-20 while cheating and stats and logs are entirely irrelevant.

#3 "but he/she isn't Vacced?"
briefly looking at most of the the cheat forums in my bookmarks while writing this, i'm seeing 20+ public cheats that remain undetected, one famously being undetected and used since 2011. Keep in mind that these are public forum (ie script kiddie sites), and this doesn't account for private ones. Valve is really pushing AC into cs:go due to the dev support and how prevalent it is in destroying players experience in matchmaking. Only relying on VAC for a game like tf2 is just not realistic for a competitive league. Heck, even the donator version of LMAOBOX (biggest commercial cheat in tf2) remained undetected for a long long time through regular patches, although the creator now forces you to utilize a burner steam account to avoid his customers complaining about getting a VAC ban.

#4 "Vac is game specific"
Yes. Sort of. Doesn't hurt anyone if I talk about this because a banned cheater can do nothing to prevent it. A ban in cs:source for example carries into tf2 because of utilizing the same game engine and some cheats are usable for both games, so Valve simply included most Source games together, exception being cs:go and Goldsrc games. You can't directly tell on a users profile what game a VAC applies to, but every items that's not bought in the store is queued to be removed from their inventory, usually within 24 hours. Sidenote: I really think Valve should consider showing what game a VAC applies to, because players suffer from a lot of scrutiny and currently you can even get a VAC ban for joining a custom achievement server in CoD:mw2. 300 games currently have VAC implemented and it's unfair to a player that gets one ban to be possibly scrutinized from the players of all these games.

tl;dr it's saturday night and I bothered to write all this. AMA.

Please do. I believe in 2nd chances but not 3rd chances. People who cheat in etf2l are lucky enough to be allowed to play in the league again just a year later (for most other games that would never be allowed) Someone like baud gets a 2nd chance and gets to play on a decent team in prem and still decides to hack and throw it away. We shouldn't let him do the same thing next year (this isnt just about baud its about everyone who hacks after coming back)

heh boomeh hacked about 4 times before finally leaving

what a nice guy though

what makes you think he ever left?

Oh god, it's all lining up now...

YOU'RE BOOMEH!

Lazybear you're such a beast

In my opinion , Baud is not hacking at all and I think that the admin's decision can be questionned. Indeed , according to the plenty of mistakes that the etf2l admins have made in the past ,stop saying that they always hold the thruth. Moreover , banning baud for using an "aim assist" is an other way to say "we ban him because he's good but we haven't got any valid reasons to ban him". On the etf2l website when the "ban article" was realised , I read a lot of people who were saying in their messages, after watching baud's videos, that his crosshair was shaking a lot (don't really knwo the exact word to say what i mean :D) (+ the stereotypes about french people were also pleasant to read :)). This is due to his high sensitivity. Furthemore , Baud went to a french lan with e-shock before his ban so , please stop saying "come to a lan to prove that you are not cheating".
Also this ban reminds me of quad/nico/tviq'one :)

quad was banned by league admins not anti cheat admins
nico was a mistake and one of a kind in that aspect
tviq never was banned

I made a mistake about tviq I apologize :D
But according to all the discussions about baud's ban , what about giving more proofs instead of simply saying aim assist?

jesus christ, the admins have explained themselves numerous times that they're not going to release the proof. it would just make it easier for other hackers to avoid bans.

Refer to my post about aim assist before you make up assumptions. Also, TviQ was never banned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E3zrwUxOo20
CLEARLY HACKING THO AND NOT APRIL FOOLS JOKE

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Quad was banned during D2Ms regime as Head Admin, now I have it on record that Perm "Pehmzilla" Zilla said he aspires to be like D2M and cites him as the main reason why he joined the AC team.

It's also understood that Permzilla followed Baud in several public servers to catch him in the devious act, he then later found out that baud actually has a wrist band by following him to LAN events, this actually helped his aim to be smoother than normal thus assisting his aim.

I for one am happy that we have such a dedicated head admin again, god bless Perm.

beavern also got banned my shitty league admins not by an ac team

ax

why bump this?