quick post before I have to leave
bad player hacking and top level player hacking are two different cases that require two different approaches
see: flusha and that random guy you met on a mm who you're pretty sure is hacking

and I'll repeat that I'm not asking for the exact details of everything released, I'm asking for something other than just a banhammer and a vague reason like "aim assist" or "ESP"

what's ESP? :s

ExtraSensory Perception, basically adding info like health and class beside a player.

Thats fucking dumb. They don't require different approaches. Hackers are hackers and should be treated so whether your some high profile person or not. If you hack you should get banned, its against the rules. End of.

Every timeeee this same bullshit about releasing evidence. Every tiiiimmmeee we have the same debate.

Nothing will change. This is the way the league has decided to run. They've heard it all before, pros and cons, and you're not saying anything new botmode. If you're mad just remember:

http://i.imgur.com/b0npvRC.gif

Not really what I meant, yes, all cheaters should be banned, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise, however the level of proof necessary, I will argue, is different.

People are more likely to trust what you're saying if it already has some base in their mind and most players look up to and respect higher level players (which is sort of strange).

Imagine trying to convince someone that the president murdered someone and then imagine trying to convince someone that some person who lives in the inner city who has been in-and-out of jail murdered somebody. One of those arguments will be easier.

Another point is that these arguments only pop up when higher level players are banned so...?

Yep, I'm an american, I don't need to care ETF2L doesn't affect me.

Then why are you arguing about it? Is this your way of not caring?

I'm not trying to convince someone of anything and neither are the admins of ETF2L. They banned him because they believe he was hacking and probably have proof of this. Your analogy is wrong because the president, in this case, is ETF2L. Not the hackers.

you missed my point entirely and I said I don't need to care, not that I don't care
We've gone so far off topic at this point who cares

rereading a bit, we haven't really gone that far off topic
The AC team should release their reasoning behind banning aZN and, if they used demos as proof, release the demos.
If they cheated, they get banned, end of story.
Releasing the method shouldn't endager the activities of the AC team in any way, shape or form.
The releasing of the method is about maintaining the level of trust within the community as people's trust was broken by the higher level players that possibly cheated in their league and the trust would in turn be regained by the AC team for proving that this person was cheating.

If the AC team is truly confident in their abilities and their decision, I think it would be best if they at least released a statement specific to situations like the current one and to situations around players like baud.

Get his demos yourself. Releasing how they detected him would give other people, who want to cheat, a bible on how to avoid being detected. You say they should trust this commmunity, but the fact is I don't trust 90% of this community and neither should you simply because of the way it is and its size (in numbers) yet how small it is in fame.

tl;dr - They're not gonna release how they caught him and they can just trust so many people.

hey azn can u post a link to your whatever demos you have saved from the past 6 months
I know u have prec :D

#19
That system is completely useless.
It's like reverse music DRM. I generate the data so I can manipulate it. Instead of plugging your mouse in you just feed it data that is consistent with the manipulated packets. There are only two was to prevent that:
1. A tamper-proof mouse with authentification and that's not going to happen or
2. trusted supervision (e.g. LAN) and in that case and in that case the hardware becomes unnecessary.

About releasing evidence:
Who could benefit from it?
- All players not involved can't. No benefit.
- All cheaters with similar cheats are taught how to avoid detection. Bad.
- The AC team gets flooded with "proof" that x didn't cheat. No benefit if the AC team ignores it, bad if they have to look at it because it increases the workload significantly.

The only way a person could benefit is if:
1. X got wrongfully banned.
2. Y believes that person X got wrongfully banned.
3. Y is more knowledgable than the whole AC team combined.
4. Y has enough time to proof that the AC teams proof is wrong.
5. The AC team trusts Y more than themselves or Y's counter proof is so comprehensive and logical that they have to admit that they made a mistake.
6. Y isn't already on the AC team.

Even though Y would be a god-like AC admin, because they cared so much about anti cheat that they learned everything about it, they didn't care at all to help and join the AC team until person X got banned.
7. How did Y gain their reputation if they didn't do anything for AC so far (see 5)
8. Why did Y only start caring after X got banned?

Conclusion:
Y actually doesn't know shit about AC, Y is just another random friend of X who is 174% sure that X didn't cheat and 235% sure that they know all about AC. There will be dozens of people who think they are Y and bombard the AC team with messages. Meanwhile cheaters now have an easier time avoiding detection, the AC team is busy with the bullshit messages and can't focus on catching cheaters.
Result:
AC team mad and busy.
Friends of X still mad if not even more mad.
Cheaters are now less likely to be caught.
That's three reason totally in favor of releasing evidence.

Completely agree with you on those points. People were complaining a lot about the implementation of his idea aswell. I linked it because there are a few paragraphs in there that talk about how hacks are made and how you catch them, not because I think his idea is great. There is probably a reason Intel stopped working on the idea.

Yes, there will be those people Y but there will also be people who believe that person cheats beyond a shadow of a doubt and go to great lengths to prove it to Y (see: baud & sheep) (see: flusha and the witchhunt)

& the AC team doesn't and doesn't need to pay attention to everything the community says

Buttmode pls

I'm really gutted to see permzilla step down it seems like since he has been head admin the league has moved forwards in leaps and bounds and i hope whoever takes over from him continues the work he has done and keeps pushing the league forward

Stop with the useless double posts. You can edit your posts in case you didn't know.

At this point you're just spamming, you didn't even make a point.

Can we please ban him for a week?

the real question is who is so delusional that they spend time making frag vids of themselves cheating

No. AZN is still a really good player. He just has low confidence and feels like he needs to hack so he can be better. An ESP does not affect your skill to hit airshots so most of his frag clips are still legit. Its kind of sad that people like AZN and Baud feel like they need to hack even though they would do just fine without them.