I think we should get a demo from this guy before everyone decides that this guy 100% hacks. I don't think we can really use logs to prove hacks. The logs do look suspicious but even I have gotten 80-90% accuracy on scout before (although pretty much in all my games I am in the 75-80% range) You need to consider that if I or any other high level scout decided to only shoot soldiers I could probably get around 90%+ accuracy. Most shots that are missed are on scouts so maybe he just focuses the soldiers really hard. Also the 100% accuracy on shotgun when he was soldier doesn't mean anything as he did a total of 322 damage with the shotgun so he probably used to to finish easy kills. I'm not saying this guy doesn't hack I just think we should only use logs to get suspicious and nothing more. We should only be using pov demos to decide or properly accuse someone of hacking.
Using log accuracy to decide whether someone hacks or not seems dubious at best. I'm sure a lot of people would come off as suspicious if that was all you used to determine someone guilt. I think i recall kensi having 100% accuracy on sniper in several games, just to give an example
yee I played against scout-who last season in ugc. honestly he's sososo terrible at soldier (could barely rocket jump) and then he would switch to sniper and magically have perfect aim? I asked nonis to do a demo review of scout-who a while back and iirc he came to the conclusion that cheats were being used.
BeaterUsing log accuracy to decide whether someone hacks or not seems dubious at best. I'm sure a lot of people would come off as suspicious if that was all you used to determine someone guilt. I think i recall kensi having 100% accuracy on sniper in several games, just to give an example
100% accuracy in 6s as I pointed out isn't exactly insane, especially if you take less than 10 shots.
1 such example for kensi since you mentioned him
http://logs.tf/491289?highlight=76561198007435997 80% accuracy really nice right?
Only 2 kills?
750 dmg?
And he has 1 headshot
looks like he only aimed for a headshot once maybe twice and the rest were either no scopes or charged body shots that and he probably took 10 or fewer shots.
Not saying this guy isn't good, but it isn't hard to get 80% accuracy if you're going for bodies and you only take 10 shots
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http://logs.tf/510956?highlight=76561198004663727
My log from a 6s scrim awhile back 72% accuracy I took 11 shots and hit 8 of them
also had 100% accuracy with shotty on engi I took 2 or 3 shots.
100% accuracy in 6s as I pointed out isn't exactly insane, especially if you take less than 10 shots.
1 such example for kensi since you mentioned him
http://logs.tf/491289?highlight=76561198007435997 80% accuracy really nice right?
Only 2 kills?
750 dmg?
And he has 1 headshot
looks like he only aimed for a headshot once maybe twice and the rest were either no scopes or charged body shots that and he probably took 10 or fewer shots.
Not saying this guy isn't good, but it isn't hard to get 80% accuracy if you're going for bodies and you only take 10 shots
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http://logs.tf/510956?highlight=76561198004663727
My log from a 6s scrim awhile back 72% accuracy I took 11 shots and hit 8 of them
also had 100% accuracy with shotty on engi I took 2 or 3 shots.
Someone who knows what they're talking about review this demo.
You can FF past all his Soldier lives because he's awful at that class.
You can FF past all his Soldier lives because he's awful at that class.
He played for my Silver UGC team as a roamer last season. Even I had troubles noticing that he was aimbotting, but after the season ended, I noticed that he was amazingly fishy. Besides, if he were that great at sniper, why wouldn't he be playing Platinum UGC Highlander? Most, if not all, of our teammates will agree that he has some sort of triggerbot/aimbot that he uses when he switches to sniper. If you're wondering as to why I didn't cut a cheater from my team: I had no idea. Honesty to god. I wish I did, so if UGC did do something, our team wouldn't get in trouble.
valkeriI lobbied against him a bit a go and when I called him out on his aim he kept saying he had played 2 seasons of invite and this was his alt. However, he refused to tell me who he was or even what team he had played on. Im just gunna assume that this is how he convices others he's not cheating
pretty sure the whole point of an alt is that you dont tell people youre an invite player. what an idiot.
pretty sure the whole point of an alt is that you dont tell people youre an invite player. what an idiot.
Not gonna lie, I thought this was about sevin of 7HUD fame for about 10 minutes and was stressing out over it. Pff.
ILLEGALELEPHANTGUNpretty sure the whole point of an alt is that you dont tell people youre an invite player. what an idiot.
hint: he was never in invite
pretty sure the whole point of an alt is that you dont tell people youre an invite player. what an idiot.[/quote]
hint: he was never in invite
BeaterUsing log accuracy to decide whether someone hacks or not seems dubious at best. I'm sure a lot of people would come off as suspicious if that was all you used to determine someone guilt. I think i recall kensi having 100% accuracy on sniper in several games, just to give an example
It depends on the context of said log. Like Comanglia mentioned, it wouldn't be hard to pull off ridiculous accuracy if you offclass to sniper for a few minutes and only shoot a couple of times. The person mentioned in OP's post has stupid accuracy across the board (for the full 24 minutes) and it doesn't seem to me like he was playing really conservatively to preserve his accuracy when he goes 24-4 in 8 mins as scout (which was more frags than what anyone in the server got with the full 24 mins). It doesn't seem too far fetched to me when his shots are far more suspicious than any high level player I've seen in lobbies (imo) and he's hitting accuracy like this.
It depends on the context of said log. Like Comanglia mentioned, it wouldn't be hard to pull off ridiculous accuracy if you offclass to sniper for a few minutes and only shoot a couple of times. The person mentioned in OP's post has stupid accuracy across the board (for the full 24 minutes) and it doesn't seem to me like he was playing really conservatively to preserve his accuracy when he goes 24-4 in 8 mins as scout (which was more frags than what anyone in the server got with the full 24 mins). It doesn't seem too far fetched to me when his shots are far more suspicious than any high level player I've seen in lobbies (imo) and he's hitting accuracy like this.
fadeSomeone who knows what they're talking about review this demo.
You can FF past all his Soldier lives because he's awful at that class.
Just did, I'm sure he's cheating. Either he's got the whole triggerbot flick shot thing going on, or he's using an aimbot that requires you to be pretty close in order for it to lock on, which results in him flicking every single shot and hitting them despite bad positioning, crosshair placement, and awareness.
I think it's important to review legitimate demos to make sure you're not just seeing what you want to see, and you can look for the differences that stand out and indicate fishiness. I watched the opposing sniper(dflame)'s POV for a while for a comparison, and dflame's aim showed serious contrast. His most consistent shots were on still people, people moving in straight lines, and shots where the enemy was in plain view near his crosshair, not requiring a fast flick. There weren't any moments that looked fishy for any reason other than that they were impressive shots.
Scout Who, on the other hand, missed still players, but would flick headshot people with only half a second's warning that the person even existed. His flicks sometimes didn't make any sense, such as shooting the ground beneath the target because his target crouched, which nobody who plays this game for 19,000 hours would be dumb enough to do. People don't go prone in TF2.
You can FF past all his Soldier lives because he's awful at that class.[/quote]
Just did, I'm sure he's cheating. Either he's got the whole triggerbot flick shot thing going on, or he's using an aimbot that requires you to be pretty close in order for it to lock on, which results in him flicking every single shot and hitting them despite bad positioning, crosshair placement, and awareness.
I think it's important to review legitimate demos to make sure you're not just seeing what you want to see, and you can look for the differences that stand out and indicate fishiness. I watched the opposing sniper(dflame)'s POV for a while for a comparison, and dflame's aim showed serious contrast. His most consistent shots were on still people, people moving in straight lines, and shots where the enemy was in plain view near his crosshair, not requiring a fast flick. There weren't any moments that looked fishy for any reason other than that they were impressive shots.
Scout Who, on the other hand, missed still players, but would flick headshot people with only half a second's warning that the person even existed. His flicks sometimes didn't make any sense, such as shooting the ground beneath the target because his target crouched, which nobody who plays this game for 19,000 hours would be dumb enough to do. People don't go prone in TF2.
this guy 100% hacks i remember him from like 2 years ago hes a big rager too
Played against this dude before, was immediately suspicious because he missed literally every rocket but then went sniper and hit every shot known to man.
cheaters are gross
cheaters are gross
i was sold he hacked when i was scrimming his ugc silver team and one point he has the perfect peek and drops our medic as were pushing out and I panic and jump towards process choke (this is when they were at our second) and in the span of less then 10 seconds of dropped our med and me in the air almost at the skybox he spins around and just fucking pops me while im strafing in the air.
SnarkenHe played for my Silver UGC team as a roamer last season. Even I had troubles noticing that he was aimbotting, but after the season ended, I noticed that he was amazingly fishy. Besides, if he were that great at sniper, why wouldn't he be playing Platinum UGC Highlander? Most, if not all, of our teammates will agree that he has some sort of triggerbot/aimbot that he uses when he switches to sniper. If you're wondering as to why I didn't cut a cheater from my team: I had no idea. Honesty to god. I wish I did, so if UGC did do something, our team wouldn't get in trouble.
also it was pretty obnoxious that you would literally shit talk the person that died to him, i dont quite believe you didnt know he hacked but yeah.
EDIT: I also heard a while back scout who has some friend that codes hacks for him to bypass VAC
[quote=Snarken]He played for my Silver UGC team as a roamer last season. Even I had troubles noticing that he was aimbotting, but after the season ended, I noticed that he was amazingly fishy. Besides, if he were that great at sniper, why wouldn't he be playing Platinum UGC Highlander? Most, if not all, of our teammates will agree that he has some sort of triggerbot/aimbot that he uses when he switches to sniper. If you're wondering as to why I didn't cut a cheater from my team: I had no idea. Honesty to god. I wish I did, so if UGC did do something, our team wouldn't get in trouble.[/quote]
also it was pretty obnoxious that you would literally shit talk the person that died to him, i dont quite believe you didnt know he hacked but yeah.
EDIT: I also heard a while back scout who has some friend that codes hacks for him to bypass VAC
nonis did a whole demo review on him like he did with sun, it's not highlighted on his twitch channel though.
Basic synopsis: Super obvious triggerbot.
Basic synopsis: Super obvious triggerbot.
he has 1k hours in csgo too, betting money he hacks in that too.
I have seen him play before and spectated him, even recorded a few demos of his rockets blatantly flying outwards of 40+ degrees away from where his crosshair is. I know what lag compensation is, and that wasn't it. He once rang for a team during a scrim as scout/sniper, and during a demo review afterwards with my team we all completely called him out when spectating him of his blatant cheats. I don't understand how this guy has been getting away with it for SO long with his hacks be so unbelievably obvious.
seraphi'm still waiting for axiomatic to come.
why would he? he hasn't lost to this guy
why would he? he hasn't lost to this guy
visual representation how scout who aims with sniper
red line = path of crosshair
red line = path of crosshair
http://imgur.com/g0gPwqb
Bob_Marleyvisual representation how scout who aims with sniper
red line = path of crosshair
http://imgur.com/g0gPwqb
u forgot that he tracks and doesnt shoot
red line = path of crosshair
http://imgur.com/g0gPwqb[/quote]
u forgot that he tracks and doesnt shoot
Bob_Marleyvisual representation how scout who aims with sniper
red line = path of crosshair
http://imgur.com/g0gPwqb
sometimes i hope i can reach this level of visual prowess
red line = path of crosshair
http://imgur.com/g0gPwqb[/quote]
sometimes i hope i can reach this level of visual prowess
When I scrimmed his team a few times last season I was pretty sure he was hacking. When you play against him, especially on sniper, he hits some insane shots really inconsistently. Having scrimmed his team probably 15-20 times over the course of about a month, he would have games where he basically did nothing and then he'd have games where he was hitting every shot and doing supremely well. Hell he would even have unbelievable variance on his skill across just lives in individual games. His gamesense also doesn't really seem to fit with his aim. He will stand in really terrible positions as sniper or will be completely caught out as scout but then he'll hit every shot to make up for it.
Obviously some demo reviews are in order, but seeing as he never is able to present demos to people when they ask for them I feel like we might be stuck reviewing a crappy STV demo, which makes proving things a lot harder.
Obviously some demo reviews are in order, but seeing as he never is able to present demos to people when they ask for them I feel like we might be stuck reviewing a crappy STV demo, which makes proving things a lot harder.
Troopo I don't understand how this guy has been getting away with it for SO long with his hacks be so unbelievably obvious.
Once again, this is an issue. We had this exact issue with the "Flares that Care" fiasco. Once someone speaks out publicly, all of a sudden, EVERYONE knew what was going on?
I won't let this de-rail, but I want to respond to this quote. If people don't submit solid evidence of something to a league, or atleast, get 100% full concrete proof to show to the public, DON'T expect anything to happen.
Once again, this is an issue. We had this exact issue with the "Flares that Care" fiasco. Once someone speaks out publicly, all of a sudden, EVERYONE knew what was going on?
I won't let this de-rail, but I want to respond to this quote. If people don't submit solid evidence of something to a league, or atleast, get 100% full concrete proof to show to the public, DON'T expect anything to happen.
i remember i used to play with this guy like 2 or 3 years ago in lobbies and he always seemed really inconsistent
i had a theory but didnt want to sound as autistic as him
i had a theory but didnt want to sound as autistic as him
I would like to point out that he was a member of Plat team Tree Forest 2 which is a team that had their own Hacker Fiasco when it was discovered that one of their leaders has non vacdetectable hacks. From the looks of it, Seven left the team the day after I made the post on UGC.
Very interesting
Very interesting
DoctorMiggyI would like to point out that he was a member of Plat team Tree Forest 2 which is a team that had their own Hacker Fiasco when it was discovered that one of their leaders has non vacdetectable hacks. From the looks of it, Seven left the team the day after I made the post on UGC.
Very interesting
Scout Who was added to Tree Forest as a backup. He was removed when multiple people approached Tree Forest's leaders, letting them know that Scout Who is a known cheater. I know they also cut another backup when people expressed concern about his legitimacy. Not out of fear of getting banned, but out of respect for the other teams in the league.
Dreadnought especially is a respectable guy who unfortunately associates himself with Heavy Whuppins. There's no conspiracy, just one moron on the team and a lot of bad luck.
TomRutoGet good. Get LMAOBOX.
Please stop giving them free advertising for the sake of a terrible joke.
Very interesting[/quote]
Scout Who was added to Tree Forest as a backup. He was removed when multiple people approached Tree Forest's leaders, letting them know that Scout Who is a known cheater. I know they also cut [url=https://www.ugcleague.com/players_page_details.cfm?player_id=76561198064693752]another backup[/url] when people expressed concern about his legitimacy. Not out of fear of getting banned, but out of respect for the other teams in the league.
Dreadnought especially is a respectable guy who unfortunately associates himself with Heavy Whuppins. There's no conspiracy, just one moron on the team and a lot of bad luck.
[quote=TomRuto]Get good. Get LMAOBOX.[/quote]
Please stop giving them free advertising for the sake of a terrible joke.
Played on his team, and nobody had any clue that he was hacking until viaduct. He didn't trigger bot on scout, so we assumed he was just really good when he off classed to sniper, but I always had my suspicions. Good job figuring this all out, and rip to his moment of glory.