uhm...you were able to switch teams after the game was over (UGC lower bracket final)

should probably return all the items, odds went from 70-30 to almost 80-20 already

lol ya you can raise and switch bets

cherry is offline right now

I keep track of bet updates and everyone who modified their bet after the match started can expect to have their action undone and be permanently banned from the website.
There is 0 tolerance for trying to take advantage of website'się bugs to gain profit and/or advantage over other users and everyone should be aware of it.

Maybe a temp ban? I didn't change mine or anything (mts from the start) but people are still figuring things out and may not have even realized it was an exploitable bug if they were a first timer on the site, also people have a tendency to push buttons given the opportunity.

Going to play devil's advocate here.

This is the fault of the site, not the users. They didn't hack or use the site maliciously, they used an option that was mistakenly made available to them.

Occasionally sites like Amazon accidentally prices items at much lower than they should be, and people buy them because of it being a good deal. Amazon still has to take the loss and honor this agreement to keep their reputation as a reliable service.

If anything, bets from the match should just be nulled and the items returned.

Well of course suddenly everyone wanted to try things out when odds were quite steady for the past few days :P
There is no space for tolerance when things of value are involved, but I'll gladly listen what they have to say before making a final verdict. (Other than switching bets to the losing side which stays no matter what.)

The website's fault was allowing users to switch bets. Taking advantage of it to try and take winnings from other players falls too closely to fraud to just be ignored.

There's not a lot of them so I'd say "alienating" them will not affect neither development of the scene as a whole or Saloon.tf in general. Those users are malicious and put their personal profit over playing fair. Next time DDoSers getting excused since Steam allows you to see IP of any friend and it's it's fault not the ones who take an advantage? :o

And no matter what I do with them there's still no reason to nullify bets as those actions can be undone :o

EDIT: And btw. Amazon is required by law to honor those prices at least in the European Union otherwise it could be accused of trying to manipulate clients to pay more. Same applies to the retail, the price on a shelf is the one you'll pay and there is no way you can be denied buying product for that price.

well I clicked on switch because I wanted to try if it actually works D:
fuck me, right?

edit: CSGOLounge returns all items if stuff like that happens. There was a match a few days ago that started earlier than expected and people were able to switch teams, all items were returned.

As someone who intentionally kept my bet on Hateful Eight even while aware I could switch teams after mTs won, I think punishing those who switched late is unnecessarily unfair. Either you have a record of the original bets to make sure winnings are distributed correctly or everything should be nullified. It's for the best.

Cherry seems retarded JUSSAYIN

So you want to punish people for trying out the site/looking for bugs while the site is in a BETA phase?

Not those who reported of course.

I don't know man, seems way too harsh. I think a temp ban is enough of a slap on the wrist to prevent people from doing that again. Also, you should make it a written rule that exploiting a bug is perma-bannable, so you can perma ban people doing this in the future without anyone giving you shit about it. It's your site, your rules, but you should make them public - even if it's something as obvious as not exploiting a bug.

This adheres to any misuse. I'm sure those people knew what they were doing was wrong, and if it was something less irreversible like bot spitting out items to random people I'm pretty sure there would be no room for doubt.
They got lucky this time though as there is not enough sufficient evidence to take any action, so I'll let this pass.
I don't want them using my website though or having anything to do with it or me, but they are free to do whatever they want. Just remember that it doesn't matter if you have a button to change your bet or have to dig somewhere deep to abuse a bug it's still a bannable offense and it being easier to take advantage of changes nothing. The only factor I take into consideration is potential damage.
It's my fault for introducing this bug, and I'm very sorry for anyone who bet on the winning team and didn't win anything as a result of that, fault is equally on the abusers side as it is on mine, though I'd like to emphasize that my intentions are always good.

Are you planning to have any other site admins? It may be nice to have more than one person available in instances like this. And to share responsibility, and to be a point of contact for the site, and to have a second/third opinion on rules.. list goes on

pretty much this. I completely expected the bet to be nullified, it was more of an experiment than anything malicious.

Surely forcing nullified bets robbing other users of their winnings is malicious?

For future purposes maybe, especially when the site is out of beta. But I doubt my bet was of any significance since the odds had already shifted by ~10%(hence expecting it to be nullified).

Not any single bet was of significance, but they all together were :P That's a classic snowball effect.

OK, you can split your malice with the other punters who decided to switch.

Obviously in an ideal world it would have been impossible to do this, but on the positive side everyone has a clearer picture where they now stand with minimal harm done.

So...that's a no on the bans? Cause $$$

I've been unable to bet for the past few days, as it won't load my inventory. I have my privacy settings all on public, and other websites seem to be able to access my backpack just fine.

Fixed by itself. We'll never know what was the reason :D

"This match has been nullified due to a bug which allowed users to switch bets after a game has started. Users on the right have been awarded for their honesty with unique rank and ability to bet 6 items."

I'm confused as to how this works. I don't appear to have the rank or the ability to bet 6 items, but I sure didn't switch teams after the match was over. What defines "honesty" then?

Everyone whose bet is on the right side has been awarded.

This doesn't explain anything though. My bet isn't on the right side, and I'm asking why it isn't. I didn't change my bet at any time during the ordeal.

Edit: if you're saying that only the "honest losers" get awarded, how is that fair at all? Only they get the privileges of extra items to bet? The honest winners didn't get their winnings, why not give them the rank too?

Because the honest winners had no incentive to switch their bet?