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holy city shooting
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know this is late, but i havent seen a thread on it
especially scary how i arrived in charleston 3 hours before the shooting
thoughts?

know this is late, but i havent seen a thread on it
especially scary how i arrived in charleston 3 hours before the shooting
thoughts?
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do you go to cofc

do you go to cofc
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video gamessss

video gamessss
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d_bdo you go to cofc

no i live in columbia

futurevideo gamessss

this is off topic tho

[quote=d_b]do you go to cofc[/quote]
no i live in columbia

[quote=future]video gamessss[/quote]
this is off topic tho
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this is why we cant have threads like this now u know

this is why we cant have threads like this now u know
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shits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people

shits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people
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showstoppershits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people

Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.

[quote=showstopper]shits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people[/quote]

Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.
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any douche that shoots up a place is probably insane

any douche that shoots up a place is probably insane
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m0nkeishowstoppershits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people
Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.

Does racism count as a mental illness

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806633/charleston-shooter-flags-dylann-roof

[quote=m0nkei][quote=showstopper]shits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people[/quote]

Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.[/quote]

Does racism count as a mental illness

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806633/charleston-shooter-flags-dylann-roof
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i initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty

i initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty
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#11
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White guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.

White guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.
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Pellovleyi initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty

holy city is the name of the region inside of the city

RoyceWhite guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.

if ur referring to the confederate flag on the south carolina state building, that was taken down in 2000

[quote=Pellovley]i initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty[/quote]
holy city is the name of the region inside of the city

[quote=Royce]White guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.[/quote]
if ur referring to the confederate flag on the south carolina state building, that was taken down in 2000
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Jermm0nkeishowstoppershits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people
Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.

Does racism count as a mental illness

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806633/charleston-shooter-flags-dylann-roof

uh yes actually

yung_tapPellovleyi initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty
holy city is the name of the region inside of the city
RoyceWhite guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.if ur referring to the confederate flag on the south carolina state building, that was taken down in 2000

http://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/

[quote=Jerm][quote=m0nkei][quote=showstopper]shits fucked bro, what the fuck is wrong with people[/quote]

Mental illness is my strongest bet. No one with their right minds would do that.[/quote]

Does racism count as a mental illness

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806633/charleston-shooter-flags-dylann-roof[/quote]
uh yes actually


[quote=yung_tap][quote=Pellovley]i initially thought that by "holy city" you meant the vatican, and i was much more confused

still this is beyond shitty[/quote]
holy city is the name of the region inside of the city

[quote=Royce]White guy shoots up a black church in state which probably celebrates racist imagery outside of their capitol building. Not the most surprising thing in the world.[/quote]
if ur referring to the confederate flag on the south carolina state building, that was taken down in 2000[/quote]


http://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/
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KhakiJermDoes racism count as a mental illnessuh yes actually

can you define mental illness?

[quote=Khaki][quote=Jerm]Does racism count as a mental illness
[/quote]
uh yes actually
[/quote]
can you define mental illness?
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Oh Jesus Christ can we close this before we get more people defending a fucking racist murderer because he couldn't help what he did because he has a disease? He intentionally killed black people and he said he did it to cause a race war. If you're defending him, you're part of the problem.

Oh Jesus Christ can we close this before we get more people defending a fucking racist murderer because he couldn't help what he did because he has a disease? He intentionally killed black people and he said he did it to cause a race war. If you're defending him, you're part of the problem.
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one person did that and yaug can be ignored lol

one person did that and yaug can be ignored lol
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Khakihttp://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/

i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there

[quote=Khaki]
http://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/[/quote]

i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there
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yung_tapKhakihttp://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/
i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there

Literally 15 seconds on Google seems to think you're wrong.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS493US493&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=south+carolina+state+house&tbm=nws

[quote=yung_tap][quote=Khaki]
http://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/[/quote]

i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there[/quote]
Literally 15 seconds on Google seems to think you're wrong.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS493US493&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=south+carolina+state+house&tbm=nws
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Royceyung_tapKhakihttp://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/
i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there
Literally 15 seconds on Google seems to think you're wrong.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS493US493&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=south+carolina+state+house&tbm=nws

no clue then idk

[quote=Royce][quote=yung_tap][quote=Khaki]
http://time.com/3928411/south-carolina-confederate-flag-charleston-church/[/quote]

i've been to the capitol building and im pretty sure it isnt there[/quote]
Literally 15 seconds on Google seems to think you're wrong.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS493US493&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=south+carolina+state+house&tbm=nws[/quote]
no clue then idk
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South Carolina is pretty divided upon the continued flying of the Confederate Bars because the political nature of the states is something unique compared to most of the world.

Many South Carolina residents see the flag as part of its history and something to remain due to its nature as historical and political legacy. Many other residents see it as something reminiscent of slavery and not appropriate or something to be remembered regardless of its historic value.

Either way arguing over the flag is really dumb in this thread as its most definitely there though but hotly debated.

South Carolina is pretty divided upon the continued flying of the Confederate Bars because the political nature of the states is something unique compared to most of the world.

Many South Carolina residents see the flag as part of its history and something to remain due to its nature as historical and political legacy. Many other residents see it as something reminiscent of slavery and not appropriate or something to be remembered regardless of its historic value.

Either way arguing over the flag is really dumb in this thread as its most definitely there though but hotly debated.
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#21
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Can we just all agree that what he did was fucked? No need to psycho-analyze it or blame it on politics.

Can we just all agree that what he did was fucked? No need to psycho-analyze it or blame it on politics.
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How can it not be blamed on politics? The guy confessed to wanting to start a "race war" by his actions. The sooner people realize that you have to actually be quite sane to commit such heinous acts the sooner we can actually look at the real problems that create them. What I mean by quite sane is that he very deliberately planned out an attack on a very specific group of people for a very definite reason for a certain outcome. It wasn't random and it wasn't a heat of the moment kind of thing. People actually afflicted with mental illness are incapable of being cogent enough to plan and execute such an attack.

The interesting thing about all this is that prior to this shooting everyone expected an attack from ISIS when there are just as many other 'terrorist' organizations/people already living in the United States.

How can it not be blamed on politics? The guy confessed to wanting to start a [url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/index.html]"race war"[/url] by his actions. The sooner people realize that you have to actually be quite sane to commit such heinous acts the sooner we can actually look at the real problems that create them. What I mean by quite sane is that he very deliberately planned out an attack on a very specific group of people for a very definite reason for a certain outcome. It wasn't random and it wasn't a heat of the moment kind of thing. People actually afflicted with mental illness are incapable of being cogent enough to plan and execute such an attack.

The interesting thing about all this is that prior to this shooting everyone expected an attack from ISIS when there are just as many other 'terrorist' organizations/people already living in the United States.
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uhh Sociopaths and Psychopaths can plan and execute such attacks, not all mental illness completely incapacitates people. He, like every other mass murderer in history, is probably completely fucked mentally. However, this gives him no excuse as he was a racist who shot up a place. He deserves whatever punishment he gets, and it should be harsh.

uhh Sociopaths and Psychopaths can plan and execute such attacks, not all mental illness completely incapacitates people. He, like every other mass murderer in history, is probably completely fucked mentally. However, this gives him [u][b]no[/b][/u] excuse as he was a racist who shot up a place. He deserves whatever punishment he gets, and it should be harsh.
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AvastSouth Carolina is pretty divided upon the continued flying of the Confederate Bars because the political nature of the states is something unique compared to most of the world.

Yes, unique because they tried to secede in order to keep black people enslaved.

AvastMany South Carolina residents see the flag as part of its history and something to remain due to its nature as historical and political legacy.

Its legacy as seceding in order to keep black people enslaved? Yeah let's keep that legacy going.

AvastMany other residents see it as something reminiscent of slavery and not appropriate or something to be remembered regardless of its historic value.

It has no historic value unless taken as a mark of shame, it is analogous to the swastika in every conceivable way.

AvastEither way arguing over the flag is really dumb in this thread as its most definitely there though but hotly debated.

There is nothing dumb about pointing out that the South still maintains a level of pride in their history of racism, fascism, and terrorism that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American citizens, which has helped create a culture that allows Dylann Roofs to exist.

[quote=Avast]South Carolina is pretty divided upon the continued flying of the Confederate Bars because the political nature of the states is something unique compared to most of the world.
[/quote]

Yes, unique because they tried to secede in order to keep black people enslaved.

[quote=Avast]
Many South Carolina residents see the flag as part of its history and something to remain due to its nature as historical and political legacy.
[/quote]

Its legacy as seceding in order to keep black people enslaved? Yeah let's keep that legacy going.

[quote=Avast]Many other residents see it as something reminiscent of slavery and not appropriate or something to be remembered regardless of its historic value.
[/quote]

It has no historic value unless taken as a mark of shame, it is analogous to the swastika in every conceivable way.

[quote=Avast]
Either way arguing over the flag is really dumb in this thread as its most definitely there though but hotly debated.[/quote]

There is nothing dumb about pointing out that the South still maintains a level of pride in their history of racism, fascism, and terrorism that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American citizens, which has helped create a culture that allows Dylann Roofs to exist.
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everyone here is a god damn liberal

everyone here is a god damn liberal
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I don't get what the point of that post was?

I was just stating the reasons why it might still be there, l certainly don't want it there nor do I disagree with you in terms of how stupid it is.

In addition you misinterpreted my first point in that the states are politically unique because of Federalism in the US, not secession, but ok good post I don't see why you needed to act so aggressive over an explanation for people who might not be aware of why its still there.

I don't get what the point of that post was?

I was just stating the reasons why it might still be there, l certainly don't want it there nor do I disagree with you in terms of how stupid it is.

In addition you misinterpreted my first point in that the states are politically unique because of Federalism in the US, not secession, but ok good post I don't see why you needed to act so aggressive over an explanation for people who might not be aware of why its still there.
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was expecting yaug to derail this thread

was expecting yaug to derail this thread
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GetawhaleOh Jesus Christ can we close this before we get more people defending a fucking racist murderer because he couldn't help what he did because he has a disease? He intentionally killed black people and he said he did it to cause a race war. If you're defending him, you're part of the problem.

Nobody was defending the murderer for compulsiveness as part of a mental illness. Khaki said racism is a mental illness, but nowhere did he or anybody defend the murderer for racism. Whether the murderer were a psychopath or sociopath, etc., or not, does not make him exempt from being an awful person with terrible goals. There is no defending such an awful action, goal, or stigma.

loljkHow can it not be blamed on politics? The guy confessed to wanting to start a "race war" by his actions. The sooner people realize that you have to actually be quite sane to commit such heinous acts the sooner we can actually look at the real problems that create them. What I mean by quite sane is that he very deliberately planned out an attack on a very specific group of people for a very definite reason for a certain outcome. It wasn't random and it wasn't a heat of the moment kind of thing. People actually afflicted with mental illness are incapable of being cogent enough to plan and execute such an attack.

Few mental illnesses render people incapable of planning such an attack.

Red_everyone here is a god damn liberal

Fucking- out, out, OUT.

[quote=Getawhale]Oh Jesus Christ can we close this before we get [u][b]more people[/b][/u] defending a fucking racist murderer because he couldn't help what he did because he has a disease? He intentionally killed black people and he said he did it to cause a race war. If you're defending him, you're part of the problem.[/quote]
[i]Nobody[/i] was defending the murderer for compulsiveness as part of a mental illness. Khaki said racism is a mental illness, but [i]nowhere[/i] did he or anybody defend the murderer for racism. Whether the murderer were a psychopath or sociopath, etc., or not, does not make him exempt from being an awful person with terrible goals. There is no defending such an awful action, goal, or stigma.

[quote=loljk]How can it not be blamed on politics? The guy confessed to wanting to start a [url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/index.html]"race war"[/url] by his actions. The sooner people realize that you have to actually be quite sane to commit such heinous acts the sooner we can actually look at the real problems that create them. What I mean by quite sane is that he very deliberately planned out an attack on a very specific group of people for a very definite reason for a certain outcome. It wasn't random and it wasn't a heat of the moment kind of thing. People actually afflicted with mental illness are incapable of being cogent enough to plan and execute such an attack.[/quote]
Few mental illnesses render people incapable of planning such an attack.

[quote=Red_]everyone here is a god damn liberal[/quote]
Fucking- out, out, OUT.
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Turinuhh Sociopaths and Psychopaths can plan and execute such attacks, not all mental illness completely incapacitates people. He, like every other mass murderer in history, is probably completely fucked mentally. However, this gives him no excuse as he was a racist who shot up a place. He deserves whatever punishment he gets, and it should be harsh.

My point is merely that calling someone crazy is less an explanation of why someone did something and more a judgement of whether you think their act was bad. Many intellectuals, artists, scientists, people who do exceptional things are extremely fanatical/anti social/ moody/ difficult/ strange but they are not deemed crazy because what they are doing is either harmless or in some cases beneficial to others. It just seems that in the colloquial sense the term 'crazy' is just an exclamation rather than an explanation for why people do the things they do. So there is no real worth in calling people crazy when they do heinous acts. Moreover if the shooter really was so obviously 'crazy' then someone would have taken steps to stop him before hand, but they didn't.

[quote=Turin]uhh Sociopaths and Psychopaths can plan and execute such attacks, not all mental illness completely incapacitates people. He, like every other mass murderer in history, is probably completely fucked mentally. However, this gives him [u][b]no[/b][/u] excuse as he was a racist who shot up a place. He deserves whatever punishment he gets, and it should be harsh.[/quote]

My point is merely that calling someone crazy is less an explanation of why someone did something and more a judgement of whether you think their act was bad. Many intellectuals, artists, scientists, people who do exceptional things are extremely fanatical/anti social/ moody/ difficult/ strange but they are not deemed crazy because what they are doing is either harmless or in some cases beneficial to others. It just seems that in the colloquial sense the term 'crazy' is just an exclamation rather than an explanation for why people do the things they do. So there is no real worth in calling people crazy when they do heinous acts. Moreover if the shooter really was so obviously 'crazy' then someone would have taken steps to stop him before hand, but they didn't.
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Red_everyone here is a god damn liberal

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/33/1.0

[quote=Red_]everyone here is a god damn liberal[/quote]

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